Official World Cup Thread

[tinpot lane]

Shit game but then again Shit World Cup .
Bravo Cesc , you made all the difference , with a good repertoire of all that makes him the player we can't afford to lose . Puyol had Rvp in his pocket all night and summed up an overall disappointing personal WC for him .
Webb , what a Tosser

Thats the worrying thing, RVP was shit all World Cup. For the last 3 seasosns i have always felt RVP is over rated. When you compare him to Bendy, Vela , Eduardo and then Adebarndoor and the Beast he is far better. However thats not exactly hard!
I stil dont think RVP is not and never will be a 30 goal+ a season kind of striker. Nor is Bendy, Eddy, Vela

What a load of tosh. Did you watch any of The Netherlands games? I like to see the statistics on how many times Robin received the ball in and around the oppositions penalty area. Now put RvP in that Spain side and i guarantee he would of had a similar world cup to that of David Villa's. Anyway how many of the so called top class centre forwards had a good tournament?

[Red Gunner]

Two points

1. Smaller country? Uruguay have won it all twice!!

2. Spain won the World Cup in the 87th minute of the game with the best substitution possible.....well done Cesc regardless of where you play next season.

I meant in terms of population and recent World Cup performances

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Shit game but then again Shit World Cup .
Bravo Cesc , you made all the difference , with a good repertoire of all that makes him the player we can't afford to lose . Puyol had Rvp in his pocket all night and summed up an overall disappointing personal WC for him .
Webb , what a Tosser

Thats the worrying thing, RVP was shit all World Cup. For the last 3 seasosns i have always felt RVP is over rated. When you compare him to Bendy, Vela , Eduardo and then Adebarndoor and the Beast he is far better. However thats not exactly hard!
I stil dont think RVP is not and never will be a 30 goal+ a season kind of striker. Nor is Bendy, Eddy, Vela

What a load of tosh. Did you watch any of The Netherlands games? I like to see the statistics on how many times Robin received the ball in and around the oppositions penalty area. Now put RvP in that Spain side and i guarantee he would of had a similar world cup to that of David Villa's. Anyway how many of the so called top class centre forwards had a good tournament?

I doubt it...

Rvp has been poor in this world cup, Torres and Rooney have been the same the three of them have been a huge disappointment.
Holland's team tactics haven't particularly played to Rvp's strengths but over and above that his touch his passing and his general game have been off, he looks sluggish and disinterested and has shown almost no sign of any quality even against the weaker opposition..
He may be carrying an injury, i don't know, but to put his poor performances down to just the team set up would suggest that when he had the ball he actually showed signs of quality, but he didn't.
Villa for the most part played with a desire to make things happen he took players on he ran at defences he tried to and for the most part did impose himself on the game Rvp most certainly didn't....

[GunnerDude]

Rvp played 20games all season and to say he was 'disinterested' at the World Cup playing for his national side is harsh considering the facts, thats all I will say for now. Night

[tinpot lane]

Shit game but then again Shit World Cup .
Bravo Cesc , you made all the difference , with a good repertoire of all that makes him the player we can't afford to lose . Puyol had Rvp in his pocket all night and summed up an overall disappointing personal WC for him .
Webb , what a Tosser

Thats the worrying thing, RVP was shit all World Cup. For the last 3 seasosns i have always felt RVP is over rated. When you compare him to Bendy, Vela , Eduardo and then Adebarndoor and the Beast he is far better. However thats not exactly hard!
I stil dont think RVP is not and never will be a 30 goal+ a season kind of striker. Nor is Bendy, Eddy, Vela

What a load of tosh. Did you watch any of The Netherlands games? I like to see the statistics on how many times Robin received the ball in and around the oppositions penalty area. Now put RvP in that Spain side and i guarantee he would of had a similar world cup to that of David Villa's. Anyway how many of the so called top class centre forwards had a good tournament?

I doubt it...

Rvp has been poor in this world cup, Torres and Rooney have been the same the three of them have been a huge disappointment.
Holland's team tactics haven't particularly played to Rvp's strengths but over and above that his touch his passing and his general game have been off, he looks sluggish and disinterested and has shown almost no sign of any quality even against the weaker opposition..
He may be carrying an injury, i don't know, but to put his poor performances down to just the team set up would suggest that when he had the ball he actually showed signs of quality, but he didn't.
Villa for the most part played with a desire to make things happen he took players on he ran at defences he tried to and for the most part did impose himself on the game Rvp most certainly didn't....

Nearly in every game though you would see glimpses of his ability. I agree he was poor in some games but i believe that was down to him being incredibly frustrated with his team mates. And had he been given some of the opportunities Villa was provided with he would of scored a lot more. Looking at his general attitude it did seem something was wrong.

[USMartin]

Shit game but then again Shit World Cup .
Bravo Cesc , you made all the difference , with a good repertoire of all that makes him the player we can't afford to lose . Puyol had Rvp in his pocket all night and summed up an overall disappointing personal WC for him .
Webb , what a Tosser

Thats the worrying thing, RVP was shit all World Cup. For the last 3 seasosns i have always felt RVP is over rated. When you compare him to Bendy, Vela , Eduardo and then Adebarndoor and the Beast he is far better. However thats not exactly hard!
I stil dont think RVP is not and never will be a 30 goal+ a season kind of striker. Nor is Bendy, Eddy, Vela

What a load of tosh. Did you watch any of The Netherlands games? I like to see the statistics on how many times Robin received the ball in and around the oppositions penalty area. Now put RvP in that Spain side and i guarantee he would of had a similar world cup to that of David Villa's. Anyway how many of the so called top class centre forwards had a good tournament?

I doubt it...

Rvp has been poor in this world cup, Torres and Rooney have been the same the three of them have been a huge disappointment.
Holland's team tactics haven't particularly played to Rvp's strengths but over and above that his touch his passing and his general game have been off, he looks sluggish and disinterested and has shown almost no sign of any quality even against the weaker opposition..
He may be carrying an injury, i don't know, but to put his poor performances down to just the team set up would suggest that when he had the ball he actually showed signs of quality, but he didn't.
Villa for the most part played with a desire to make things happen he took players on he ran at defences he tried to and for the most part did impose himself on the game Rvp most certainly didn't....

Nearly in every game though you would see glimpses of his ability. I agree he was poor in some games but i believe that was down to him being incredibly frustrated with his team mates. And had he been given some of the opportunities Villa was provided with he would of scored a lot more. Looking at his general attitude it did seem something was wrong.

In every game you see glimpses of every player's ability, don't you? Robin didn't have a great World Cup. Then again most top players didn't and they hadn't spent a six months out through injury.. Holland suffered because Robben as hard as he tried to impose himself was never 100% either. I think the lack of dynamism in Holland's as a result of Robben being hurt helped produce the more pragmatic football they played all tournament.

[tinpot lane]

Thats the worrying thing, RVP was shit all World Cup. For the last 3 seasosns i have always felt RVP is over rated. When you compare him to Bendy, Vela , Eduardo and then Adebarndoor and the Beast he is far better. However thats not exactly hard!
I stil dont think RVP is not and never will be a 30 goal+ a season kind of striker. Nor is Bendy, Eddy, Vela

What a load of tosh. Did you watch any of The Netherlands games? I like to see the statistics on how many times Robin received the ball in and around the oppositions penalty area. Now put RvP in that Spain side and i guarantee he would of had a similar world cup to that of David Villa's. Anyway how many of the so called top class centre forwards had a good tournament?

I doubt it...

Rvp has been poor in this world cup, Torres and Rooney have been the same the three of them have been a huge disappointment.
Holland's team tactics haven't particularly played to Rvp's strengths but over and above that his touch his passing and his general game have been off, he looks sluggish and disinterested and has shown almost no sign of any quality even against the weaker opposition..
He may be carrying an injury, i don't know, but to put his poor performances down to just the team set up would suggest that when he had the ball he actually showed signs of quality, but he didn't.
Villa for the most part played with a desire to make things happen he took players on he ran at defences he tried to and for the most part did impose himself on the game Rvp most certainly didn't....

Nearly in every game though you would see glimpses of his ability. I agree he was poor in some games but i believe that was down to him being incredibly frustrated with his team mates. And had he been given some of the opportunities Villa was provided with he would of scored a lot more. Looking at his general attitude it did seem something was wrong.

In every game you see glimpses of every player's ability, don't you? Robin didn't have a great World Cup. Then again most top players didn't and they hadn't spent a six months out through injury.. Holland suffered because Robben as hard as he tried to impose himself was never 100% either. I think the lack of dynamism in Holland's as a result of Robben being hurt helped produce the more pragmatic football they played all tournament.

Well i didn't see either Torres or Rooney show signs of their quality at any moment during the tournament.

[USMartin]

What a load of tosh. Did you watch any of The Netherlands games? I like to see the statistics on how many times Robin received the ball in and around the oppositions penalty area. Now put RvP in that Spain side and i guarantee he would of had a similar world cup to that of David Villa's. Anyway how many of the so called top class centre forwards had a good tournament?

I doubt it...

Rvp has been poor in this world cup, Torres and Rooney have been the same the three of them have been a huge disappointment.
Holland's team tactics haven't particularly played to Rvp's strengths but over and above that his touch his passing and his general game have been off, he looks sluggish and disinterested and has shown almost no sign of any quality even against the weaker opposition..
He may be carrying an injury, i don't know, but to put his poor performances down to just the team set up would suggest that when he had the ball he actually showed signs of quality, but he didn't.
Villa for the most part played with a desire to make things happen he took players on he ran at defences he tried to and for the most part did impose himself on the game Rvp most certainly didn't....

Nearly in every game though you would see glimpses of his ability. I agree he was poor in some games but i believe that was down to him being incredibly frustrated with his team mates. And had he been given some of the opportunities Villa was provided with he would of scored a lot more. Looking at his general attitude it did seem something was wrong.

In every game you see glimpses of every player's ability, don't you? Robin didn't have a great World Cup. Then again most top players didn't and they hadn't spent a six months out through injury.. Holland suffered because Robben as hard as he tried to impose himself was never 100% either. I think the lack of dynamism in Holland's as a result of Robben being hurt helped produce the more pragmatic football they played all tournament.

Well i didn't see either Torres or Rooney show signs of their quality at any moment during the tournament.

Not as many I'd agree, particularly of Torres who probably should have sat this tournament out. Rooney showed a lot of his positive tendencies interms of work rate on and off the ball but was awful near goal and that's if he got near goal.

I'm not picking a fight here. I just think Robin had a poor tournament and since he is still well below 100% fitness from what I see its no surprise. I wouldn't say he should have skipped the tournament like Torres because he was clearly fitter than Torres but ity was little surprise he didn't set this tournament afire is all. The funny thing is, no one did really. Several players had some good moments a couple of good matches, but who had an outstanding tournament as a whole?

[augie]

In my opinion rvp had a poor world cup and I believe the biggest (but not the only reason) was his placement as the lone striker cos he is simply not suitable for that role. If you are the lone front man then you need two main skills - 1. be able to hold up a ball 2. have pace to get in behind on those through balls. Robin has neither skill but watch wenger play him in that role next season for us - makes you wonder what our manager has been watching while in south africa

[Cockerill's chin]

Sadly topgoon you are still wide of the mark. Winning does not equate to style. The Dutch side of the seventies are not remembered as tippy-tappy. The Leeds team under Revie aren't remembered as having style.

Success is more important than the style of football. Is that what you are trying to say?? I agree with you if it is.

What is coming across from your posts is that success equates technique and style. Defeat equates tippy/tappy or thuggery. See above examples as footballing history to dispel your theory.

[Cockerill's chin]

Regarding the Cesc situation we are a million miles away. He has been with us for seven years and gives everything at a time when lesser characters have put themselves first. He is club captain and it was fantastic to see his ambition met.

I hope he stays at Arsenal. If he doesn't then it is different from Viera and Henry. Cesc has his best years very much ahead of him. His departure from Arsenal will have been accelerated by a Board whose priorities have been elsewhere and a manager whose constraints or stubborness have prevented him from addressing glaring weaknesses. If he goes it is because the club have gone backwards on a player whose focus is straight ahead.

[augie]

Regarding the Cesc situation we are a million miles away. He has been with us for seven years and gives everything at a time when lesser characters have put themselves first. He is club captain and it was fantastic to see his ambition met.

I hope he stays at Arsenal. If he doesn't then it is different from Viera and Henry. Cesc has his best years very much ahead of him. His departure from Arsenal will have been accelerated by a Board whose priorities have been elsewhere and a manager whose constraints or stubborness have prevented him from addressing glaring weaknesses. If he goes it is because the club have gone backwards on a player whose focus is straight ahead.

Abso-fcuking-lutely mate As I said in the transfer thread our board and manager have not been under the spotlight lately but I would like to think that is about to change now the world cup is over.

I also agree 100% with you that us fans shouldnt lose focus on the main reason cesc wants to leave now (as opposed to next summer) and that is the manager and boards refusal to bring in quality players so that we may become successful again. If us fans are pissed off looking at the "efforts" of wasters like almunia, diaby etc every week can you imagine how frustrated cesc must feel trying to carry the *word censored* on his back every week ? There is only so much time anybody can give the manager and board to prove that they are serious about lifting the club back to the heights it recently scaled and for cesc (and me, sid, db10 and a few others ) that time is gone so they have to either back up the words with actions or get a good price for cesc and let him go and while they are at it pack your own bags and fcuk off with him

[euphoricone]

Cesc has sat down with wenger before the wc, and i remember him saying that was one of the best conversations he has ever had. He must have surely asked wenger what his intentions were, who his transfer targets were?? That should have allowed Cesc to make up his mind, whether he thought wenger was doing enough to improve the teams situation or not.

[Cockerill's chin]

Its' in the broad sheets today that Cesc has bought a £2million house in St Albans

[BT]

Its' in the broad sheets today that Cesc has bought a £2million house in St Albans

Really? I thought he bought a house in Hampstead last year? Weird. Wouldn't take much heart from that, sadly...