THE WENGER THREAD

[OneBardGooner]

Tell you what Arsene, pick Santos and Ramsey and then spend 90 mins berating the 4th official..........top management

That's as much as he knows about "Tactics"

[rodders999]

I'm out and about when my phone beeps, a new text message has been received. I fish it out of my pocket and see it's from a fellow gooner mate. What does he want now I wonder? I open the text and the two words I've dreamed of seeing for years are staring straight back at me. I feel nothing but unbridled joy. Pure ELATION.

I move away from the people I'm with to be alone. Alone to savour the most beautiful, joyous moment of my entire life. Finally, finally, finally the day I never thought I'd see is here. It's like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders, years of torment and anguish have been released at the sight of those two simple, but momentous words. I get funny looks from passers by who notice tears of happiness streaming down my face. But I don't care, for today I am king of the world.

I punch the air in delight and leave out a loud, almost primal roar, as I read the message once again.

"He's gone"

[SteveO 35]

I'm out and about when my phone beeps, a new text message has been received. I fish it out of my pocket and see it's from a fellow gooner mate. What does he want now I wonder? I open the text and the two words I've dreamed of seeing for years are staring straight back at me. I feel nothing but unbridled joy. Pure ELATION.

I move away from the people I'm with to be alone. Alone to savour the most beautiful, joyous moment of my entire life. Finally, finally, finally the day I never thought I'd see is here. It's like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders, years of torment and anguish have been released at the sight of those two simple, but momentous words. I get funny looks from passers by who notice tears of happiness streaming down my face. But I don't care, for today I am king of the world.

I punch the air in delight and leave out a loud, almost primal roar, as I read the message once again.

"He's gone"

Then you wake up, and see a text from your old mate SteveO saying "He's signed an extension until 2017".

Don't worry though mate - I'll make sure I attach the phone number for the Samaritans too

[RNTGOONER]

I think if he started

--------------Manone (thought he had an ok game to be fair)

Jenks, Mert, kos, Miguel

Wilshere,Arteta,Cazorla, Arshavin
------------Poldi---Walcott

They might not have been able to run and the left back all day as they would have something to think about themselves, our first attack of the game came from Arshavin sliding an inch perfect pass into Walcott, I am not a fan of them but they seem to be showing that they are an effective combination, and Poldi can finish.

Was suicide to play Santos, he used to be shite at defending but good going forward, now he is just shite. Santo has been targeted 3 games in a row now.

As soon as I saw him on the team sheet I would have bitten their hand off for a 2-1

I have mentioned it before, but it has been 8 years since Wenger/his scouts have scouted and signed a world class striker and until we have one we are fucked because he can't setup a defence for shit.

[RioGooner]

I've reached a low point today. I now hate Wenger more than I love Arsenal

this. Been feeling like that since the loss to chelsea. The hatred is so big i can barely get happy about scoring or winning.

[QuartzGooner]

Tony Adams speaks out about lack of belief in the squad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20196748

Ex-Arsenal captain Tony Adams says the current team will struggle to finish in the top four because there is no belief within manager Arsene Wenger's squad.

"If Wenger gets them into the top four he's done brilliantly," Adams said.

The 46-year-old was also critical of the Gunners' failure to bind leading players to long-term deals.
Gunner Adams

"You need to keep your best players and in recent years we've let them go a bit easy," the former England defender, 46, told BBC Radio 5 live's Sportsweek.

Theo Walcott's current contract ends next summer and the England forward, who rejected a five-year deal worth £75,000 a week in August, will be free to talk to other clubs from January and free to leave the club in the summer as he will be over 24 by then.

Right-back Bacary Sanga has already questioned the club's transfer policy of allowing the likes of Robin van Persie, a £24m summer signing for Manchester United, and Alexandre Song to leave in the summer, following the departures of Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy in 2011.

"I never got anywhere near the last year of my contract," added Adams.

"You don't let them go into their last year and run their contract down.

"It's about winning, and how do you win? You have the best players, and if you keep selling your best players you're not going to win.

"If you sell your best players you're not going to challenge for titles.
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Adams expects Arsenal will fall short again (October 2012)

"There's been so many players who have moved on and are doing great jobs for other teams, the list is endless."

Wenger said this week that he wanted Walcott's future resolved by Christmas, but the player is reluctant to discuss a new deal unless he regains a regular starting spot.

The Southampton academy product was a second-half substitute as Manchester United comfortably beat Arsenal 2-1 on Saturday, inflicting the Londoners' third Premier League defeat of the season.

Adams, who served the club for 22 years as a player, described Walcott's midweek hat-trick against Reading in the Capital One Cup as "brilliant" and believes the 23-year-old should get the opportunity to lead the attack.

"The big one at the moment is Theo. You're getting to the stage where there's a big urgency," said Adams of Walcott's contract situation. "I'd like to see [Walcott up front]."

[northbank123]

"If Wenger gets them into the top four he's done brilliantly," Adams said.

Completely devalues the rest of what he says. People continuing to judge Wenger by the low standards he's responsible for makes me sick.

The excuse about the mega riches of Chelsea, City etc would wash more if we were roughly as good as we were a decade ago and they've just kicked on and surpassed us. Fact is we're fucking miles worse than we were and Arsenal of a decade ago would be right up there still. Abramovich and the Arabs didn't replace our Invincibles with a load of kids and then sell all of those when they actually came fucking good, Wenger did that all on his own so forgive me if I don't laud him for that. Other clubs being rich doesn't mean that he had to fiddle while our empire crumbled, spend transfer funds on players that either weren't good enough or just the wrong type of player completely (or both) and burden the club with a squad full of unprofessional underperforming wankers by throwing £60k a week at anybody that bothers hanging round for longer than a season.

[markyp]

"If Wenger gets them into the top four he's done brilliantly," Adams said.

Completely devalues the rest of what he says. People continuing to judge Wenger by the low standards he's responsible for makes me sick.

The excuse about the mega riches of Chelsea, City etc would wash more if we were roughly as good as we were a decade ago and they've just kicked on and surpassed us. Fact is we're fucking miles worse than we were and Arsenal of a decade ago would be right up there still. Abramovich and the Arabs didn't replace our Invincibles with a load of kids and then sell all of those when they actually came fucking good, Wenger did that all on his own so forgive me if I don't laud him for that. Other clubs being rich doesn't mean that he had to fiddle while our empire crumbled, spend transfer funds on players that either weren't good enough or just the wrong type of player completely (or both) and burden the club with a squad full of unprofessional underperforming wankers by throwing £60k a week at anybody that bothers hanging round for longer than a season.

+1

[dPmunky]

great post quartz!

"It's about winning, and how do you win? You have the best players, and if you keep selling your best players you're not going to win."

This sums up everything that is wrong with Arsenal football philosophy since, oh I dont know, 2006-7.

No other teams practice this philosophy and win... in ANY sport! You dont keep talent, you dont win. Simple as that

[armchair]

"If Wenger gets them into the top four he's done brilliantly," Adams said.

Strange one that seeing as its down to Wenger that were scrabbling about relying solely on top four rather than where we should be ie:- putting in a genuing challenge for titles/trophys.
Its the old - "mustn't critisize Wenger" thing that goes on. The old elephant in the room that mustn't be confronted.

But he makes valid points none-the-less.

[northbank123]

"If Wenger gets them into the top four he's done brilliantly," Adams said.

Strange one that seeing as its down to Wenger that were scrabbling about relying solely on top four rather than where we should be ie:- putting in a genuing challenge for titles/trophys.
Its the old - "mustn't critisize Wenger" thing that goes on. The old elephant in the room that mustn't be confronted.

But he makes valid points none-the-less.

Thing is if he criticised Wenger then the majority of fans would be painting him as bitter and self-serving. People don't want to hear that Wenger is the problem, apparently IW8 has lost his legendary status so I don't blame TA5.

[Natural Born Gooner]

May have already been said before, but if Wenger had left the day after the CL Final 2006, and a new manager came in and dismantled that team the way he did plus continued with his stubborn management style along with selling our best players year on year, he would have been labeled by all Arsenal fans as our worst manager of all time.

Why defend the man? He's dined out on The Invincibles for far too long now. He left Monaco in a bad state when he left them in the mid nineties (they didn't want to sack him a few years earlier after the match fixing scandal in French Football)

It'll take years for us to recover from this current mess, and God forbid if he moves upstairs or appoints his successor.

For all those magical moments in 98, 02 & 04, he's now slowly destroying this once fiercely proud, classy, competitive club from the inside.

Wenger out out out!!!!!!

[armchair]

"If Wenger gets them into the top four he's done brilliantly," Adams said.

Strange one that seeing as its down to Wenger that were scrabbling about relying solely on top four rather than where we should be ie:- putting in a genuing challenge for titles/trophys.
Its the old - "mustn't critisize Wenger" thing that goes on. The old elephant in the room that mustn't be confronted.

But he makes valid points none-the-less.

Thing is if he criticised Wenger then the majority of fans would be painting him as bitter and self-serving. People don't want to hear that Wenger is the problem, apparently IW8 has lost his legendary status so I don't blame TA5.

Yea I know but it really is laughable. Wenger is "brilliant" for getting us out of a situation he put us in himself.
The rest of what he says could also be blamed on Wenger but he doesn't actually say it.

[flash gunner]

2011-2012 we suffer 2 of our worst defeats in history with the 8-2 v united and 4-0 v Milan

2012-2013 our worst start to a season for 17 years

If people can't see this is a manager without a fucking clue anymore then they are either blind or stupid

[Herd]

We will collect 25 points before Christmas and will have risen to a credible 4th or 5th which will lead to more non spending in January !
Who knows what will happen then but I think the luck and the rope has run out !
His team selection ,set up and tactics is costing us game after game right now !