Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[marka123]

Indeed -for my money Wenger ruined the Ox's career at a time when he even persisted with playing the likes of Ramsey in a wide midfield role just to keep his hardcore of 'bought in' luvvies happy, whilst players like Gnabry were afforded a fraction of the chances that never will be's lilke Gervinho were given. I will be very interested to see what happens when a fully fit Martinelli is available. The majority of fans would like to see Saka-Auba-Martinelli as a front three, but do you think that will happen when this stubborn c.unt has gone out on a limb for fucking Willian?? Not a chance.

My only hope of any change now is that Arteta continues taking us down so far that he either relegates us himself, or leaves the situation so hopeless that the next out of depth c.unt appointed by this board does it instead. I think relegation is the only way Stan will 'cash out' when the riches of the PL disappear. All the while the TV rewards come flooding in and sponsorships that go with being part of the PL, I don't think he cares whether we finish 1st or 17th.

Completely agree, it will take something as major as relegation to rid us of the parasite. As long as we are getting the PL and TV monies it fits completely with his business model, we are just another of his mediocre sports franchises now I'm afraid. Although people will lambast the idea of thoughts of relegation, what is the point of merely existing in the top division as a cash cow, never to challenge let alone win the top honours under the KSE ownership. Unfortunately, if relegation did happen, he may sell the Emirates for development and move us elsewhere. I would not put anything past this parasitic prick.

[Gunner Rob]

For me the warning signs over Arteta have been there since February when i last attended the Emirates to see us knocked out of the Europa League by Olympiakos. That defeat was inexcusable (he only got away with criticism because he had only been in post a couple of months) Looking back though his failure that evening to be able to change anything has become a recurring theme throughout his time as manager.

Basically if his starting line up doesnt work then he is unable to do anything to improve things.

He would have been found out earlier if it had not been for the coronavirus, but then rode his luck over the summer by fluking an FA Cup win (due to Aubamayang playing for a new bumper contract and to Martinez producing superb displays match after match )
At the same time the league results were still not improving though.

This season the Europa/league cup wins have papered over the cracks but the team has got progressively worse.
he has ditched promising talent like Guendozi, alienated proven ability in Ozil, transferred out better players like Martinez and Torreira and created an anonymous midfield with no creativity whatsoever.

It is not even a hard choice (compared to whether Emery should go or not). he has to go.

[arrgee]

Unfortunately, if relegation did happen, he may sell the Emirates for development and move us elsewhere. I would not put anything past this parasitic prick.

Back in 2006, whilst it was sad to leave Arsenal Stadium, the move to the nearby stadium softened the blow, but the last 15 years have been so underwhelming I couldn’t care less where Arsenal play any more. The best memory I have is beating Chelsea in a league cup semi. Even in the mid 1970s it was better at Arsenal Stadium.

[augie]

To say we've hit a wall with Arteta is an understatement. We have to stick with him to overcome this difficult moment.
It was always going to happen and the reaction by supporters is ever so predictable. When we were at this point with emery last season a majority said mourinho was over the hill, rodgers was a shit coach after coming from scotland and ancellotti was too expensive. I mentioned hassenhuttl as an outside choice and was slagged off for that.
No doubt the usual names will be rolled out Allegri, Pochettino, Howe and even wenger to return. Question i have is why hasn't allegri worked for two years? Why is pochettino not been picked up by any other team in europe yet? A year out of management in football is too long.
The board will not sack arteta until the end of the season, and even then they will bring in anyone established. I think arteta can pull this round we just need to be patient.

Arsene is that you ?

Buddy arteta hasnt a scooby. This isnt a "difficult moment" - we have lost more league games than we have won, we have a minus goal difference, we have the least amount of shots in the whole league, and we have our lowest points total at this stage for many a season. Bamford, a bog average striker at best, has almost as many goals as auba has had shots this season and arteta has no clue how to remedy that. He is showing a scandalous amount of loyalty to shit players like xhaka, willian and laca- we are not talking about out of form players here, we are talking about players who are simply not good enough.

If he is left in charge for much longer he will ruin the careers of potential quality players like saka and martinelli - I've seen it happen under wenger many many times, and believe me the disorganisation and coaching will destroy them at an age where they should be learning good habits

Indeed -for my money Wenger ruined the Ox's career at a time when he even persisted with playing the likes of Ramsey in a wide midfield role just to keep his hardcore of 'bought in' luvvies happy, whilst players like Gnabry were afforded a fraction of the chances that never will be's lilke Gervinho were given. I will be very interested to see what happens when a fully fit Martinelli is available. The majority of fans would like to see Saka-Auba-Martinelli as a front three, but do you think that will happen when this stubborn c.unt has gone out on a limb for fucking Willian?? Not a chance.

My only hope of any change now is that Arteta continues taking us down so far that he either relegates us himself, or leaves the situation so hopeless that the next out of depth c.unt appointed by this board does it instead. I think relegation is the only way Stan will 'cash out' when the riches of the PL disappear. All the while the TV rewards come flooding in and sponsorships that go with being part of the PL, I don't think he cares whether we finish 1st or 17th.

I wonder will losing out on european football (and the money that comes with it) for a couple of seasons, make him reconsider his position No doubt that the money is the ONLY important factor for the wiggy c.unt, so maybe losing out on europe altogether would be a blessing cos we aint getting relegated

[augie]

Undoubtedly an absolute c.unt, but straight after the game in old shatford he poured scorn on this notion that arteta is a good manager, and pointed to his results in the league this season

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... eane-joke/

We all know that he will enjoy sticking the boot into us, but it doesnt make him wrong either

[Arsenal Till I Die]

For me the warning signs over Arteta have been there since February when i last attended the Emirates to see us knocked out of the Europa League by Olympiakos. That defeat was inexcusable (he only got away with criticism because he had only been in post a couple of months) Looking back though his failure that evening to be able to change anything has become a recurring theme throughout his time as manager.

Basically if his starting line up doesnt work then he is unable to do anything to improve things.

He would have been found out earlier if it had not been for the coronavirus, but then rode his luck over the summer by fluking an FA Cup win (due to Aubamayang playing for a new bumper contract and to Martinez producing superb displays match after match )
At the same time the league results were still not improving though.

This season the Europa/league cup wins have papered over the cracks but the team has got progressively worse.
he has ditched promising talent like Guendozi, alienated proven ability in Ozil, transferred out better players like Martinez and Torreira and created an anonymous midfield with no creativity whatsoever.

It is not even a hard choice (compared to whether Emery should go or not). he has to go.

To be honest, you hit the nail on the head.

We would have NEVER won the FA Cup in the normal run of last season. We had drawn Sheffield United who, before the lockdown, were in form and hard to beat. They would have beaten us at their ground comfortably (they nearly did anyway).

We're actually back at the late Wenger stage, where we don't make subs until VERY late in the game, some of the subs don't make sense, there are players starting regardless of form (Willian, wtf!) and we're looking easier than the local tart after a few sherries.

We're fucked.

[Redarmy]

Unfortunately, if relegation did happen, he may sell the Emirates for development and move us elsewhere. I would not put anything past this parasitic prick.

Back in 2006, whilst it was sad to leave Arsenal Stadium, the move to the nearby stadium softened the blow, but the last 15 years have been so underwhelming I couldn’t care less where Arsenal play any more. The best memory I have is beating Chelsea in a league cup semi. Even in the mid 1970s it was better at Arsenal Stadium.

Honestly could not believe it when everyone was celebrating leaving that glorious old stadium Highbury, steeped in history it carried the soul of the club, so many memories good and bad, so many characters and so much banter....
Things move on and understand its a different crowd now with the matchday experience
For me never been the same since

[A11M11]

And so it is for many of us .
My season tickets will not be renewed and they were in the family in my Father's day and I am one of the army of 70+ years old that due to the Covid things have grown used to watching on the box or a stream .
I remember standing at the top of the steps at Highbury as we left for the last time with two stewards standing with us asking us to go . That last look at the pitch was as poignant as the first against Preston in 1956 .
I will not travel down for another match , despite trying to immerse myself in the new stadium . I really just can't . Every match feels like an away game.
I live now in Norfolk and public transport is a non runner and ULEZ means that my diesel car is not welcome anymore . I very much doubt if I will go back to London leave alone The Arsenal .
Time for the next generation to take over with their I phones and prepayment cards , time to relinquish my drug , I will still have opinions and watch but really it's bad for my health to get too wound up on it now. Afterall I had a warning when Eboue gave away that stupid penalty in the 100th minute against the Scouse in 2011 , the heart attack I had following it taught me to calm down.

[goonersid]

For me the warning signs over Arteta have been there since February when i last attended the Emirates to see us knocked out of the Europa League by Olympiakos. That defeat was inexcusable (he only got away with criticism because he had only been in post a couple of months) Looking back though his failure that evening to be able to change anything has become a recurring theme throughout his time as manager.

Basically if his starting line up doesnt work then he is unable to do anything to improve things.

He would have been found out earlier if it had not been for the coronavirus, but then rode his luck over the summer by fluking an FA Cup win (due to Aubamayang playing for a new bumper contract and to Martinez producing superb displays match after match )
At the same time the league results were still not improving though.

This season the Europa/league cup wins have papered over the cracks but the team has got progressively worse.
he has ditched promising talent like Guendozi, alienated proven ability in Ozil, transferred out better players like Martinez and Torreira and created an anonymous midfield with no creativity whatsoever.

It is not even a hard choice (compared to whether Emery should go or not). he has to go.

Promising talent like Guendozi??
As for alienating Ozil? The correct term would be “dealt with Ozil” that c u n t had been taking the piss out of the club and managers from Wenger to Emery to Freddie then tried it on with Arteta!
I agree Arteta should be sacked, but do you really believe that his replacement should give Ozil another chance?

[SteveO 35]

For me the warning signs over Arteta have been there since February when i last attended the Emirates to see us knocked out of the Europa League by Olympiakos. That defeat was inexcusable (he only got away with criticism because he had only been in post a couple of months) Looking back though his failure that evening to be able to change anything has become a recurring theme throughout his time as manager.

Basically if his starting line up doesnt work then he is unable to do anything to improve things.

He would have been found out earlier if it had not been for the coronavirus, but then rode his luck over the summer by fluking an FA Cup win (due to Aubamayang playing for a new bumper contract and to Martinez producing superb displays match after match )
At the same time the league results were still not improving though.

This season the Europa/league cup wins have papered over the cracks but the team has got progressively worse.
he has ditched promising talent like Guendozi, alienated proven ability in Ozil, transferred out better players like Martinez and Torreira and created an anonymous midfield with no creativity whatsoever.

It is not even a hard choice (compared to whether Emery should go or not). he has to go.

Much as my feelings for this manager are obvious, I can't say we fluked the cup because those last 3 wins took a lot of doing

However, I completely agree with the rest. I was at that Olympiacos game and it reminded me of so many that have gone on since - huff puff, sideways, backwards, rarely look like scoring etc......and against a team that had lost something like their last 12 European away games in England and had a shocking record away from home generally. I wouldn't mind so much if that was a rare, one-off but I said last season that practically all of our games against lesser opposition were like that. He took over for the Chelsea game at home on 29th Dec and apart from the Man U home win that immediately followed that game, we played some of the most boring football I've ever witnessed......stinking the place out with tedious draws against Palace, Sheffield United, and Burnley.....and should have been out of the FA Cup in the first match as Leeds absolutely skinned us alive at the Emirates. Post lockdown did it improve? Did it fuck - the defeat at Brighton, the abject lame duck effort at the Spuds, the shite served up at Villa. All absolutely abysmal performances lacking any sort of pace or spark of creativity

When the transfer window slammed shut, it confirmed his commitment to this brand of football. Whilst I accept in this day and age that the 'head coach' doesn't handle all aspects of transfers, he is surely responsible for the brand of football and an unwillingness to change it. I'm prepared to say, I was mortified when I thought Nuno Espirito Santo was going to become our manager, but my word how wrong could I be on the evidence of the football Wolves are playing. Yes, they've spent a lot of money but so have many teams in the past (£100m by Fulham last time they came up) and its no guarantee of success. Before the game yesterday they observed how Nuno had changed to four at the back with an extra midfielder as in the previous games it had stifled their attacking play. What do we get from the super coach? An unwillingness to change the 2 plodding defensive midfielders whether its Liverpool at Anfield, or Aston Villa at the bowl - and it still ain't fucking working.

If we gave Arteta £100m in January, I'm not convinced he'd make us that much stronger. He'd probably sign a 10th centre half as we surely need more and another striker, and leave the midfield as it is. These players are now gripped with fear every time they take to the field and have no confidence, despite what they might say publically. I see wide players scared to take on their full backs, strikers now unwilling to shoot, midfielders more content to try a simple backwards pass than a creative one......and yesterday they put up a stat showing three Wolves players who had more successful dribbles than our entire team combined.

Its an utter shambles and was always going to be. A reactive, panic stricken response to a poor run of games this time last year. We fired Emery, and then threw poor Freddie to the wolves for a month, asking him and Mertesacker and their team to try and focus on two or more jobs at once whilst frantically searching for a successor. We then took on a bloke with zero managerial experience at any level to take over a team who have been out of the CL for years, but allegedly have the ambition to get back there one day.........and to do it all with one arm up his back given that the Great Economist did a decade worth of damage and left us loaded up with utter c.unts like Xhaka, Mustafi, Ozil, Kolasinac etc weighing down the wage bill.

Under this owner, only a modern day George Graham could get us moving the right way again - that means trusting and developing kids, getting rid of overpaid c.unts and working with the limited budget we have to bring in some hungry players away from the spotlight of the biggest clubs. If Aston Villa and Southampton can put together competitive teams working that way, then why can't we. Whoever is responsible for this cluster fuck academy can be fucked off out the door with the overpaid, useless fucktards too

Who is that modern day GG? Well, that's the million dollar question. People would scoff at the likes of a Dean Smith (heaven forbid he's British too) but someone like that. I always look at a manager's achievements at that level based upon where clubs were when he inherited the job and where he took them too, as it's impossible for someone at Brentford or Villa to be measured by trophies. He took Villa up a year ahead of schedule according to the owners, kept them up, and now has them in the top half. There's a mixture of youth and experience in the team, playing some attractive football and taking a chance on some hungry talent like Watkins. Doesn't have to be him, but I don't see us landing a 'top dog'......in which case give me someone prepared to overhaul a squad, get rid of the wasters and impose a style and approach to excite the fans

[Retro Gunner]

And so it is for many of us .
My season tickets will not be renewed and they were in the family in my Father's day and I am one of the army of 70+ years old that due to the Covid things have grown used to watching on the box or a stream .
I remember standing at the top of the steps at Highbury as we left for the last time with two stewards standing with us asking us to go . That last look at the pitch was as poignant as the first against Preston in 1956 .
I will not travel down for another match , despite trying to immerse myself in the new stadium . I really just can't . Every match feels like an away game.
I live now in Norfolk and public transport is a non runner and ULEZ means that my diesel car is not welcome anymore . I very much doubt if I will go back to London leave alone The Arsenal .
Time for the next generation to take over with their I phones and prepayment cards , time to relinquish my drug , I will still have opinions and watch but really it's bad for my health to get too wound up on it now. Afterall I had a warning when Eboue gave away that stupid penalty in the 100th minute against the Scouse in 2011 , the heart attack I had following it taught me to calm down.

Found this very moving. A comment not just about our club, but about contemporary London and life generally.

Hope the ticker is ok A11.

[Redarmy]

And so it is for many of us .
My season tickets will not be renewed and they were in the family in my Father's day and I am one of the army of 70+ years old that due to the Covid things have grown used to watching on the box or a stream .
I remember standing at the top of the steps at Highbury as we left for the last time with two stewards standing with us asking us to go . That last look at the pitch was as poignant as the first against Preston in 1956 .
I will not travel down for another match , despite trying to immerse myself in the new stadium . I really just can't . Every match feels like an away game.
I live now in Norfolk and public transport is a non runner and ULEZ means that my diesel car is not welcome anymore . I very much doubt if I will go back to London leave alone The Arsenal .
Time for the next generation to take over with their I phones and prepayment cards , time to relinquish my drug , I will still have opinions and watch but really it's bad for my health to get too wound up on it now. Afterall I had a warning when Eboue gave away that stupid penalty in the 100th minute against the Scouse in 2011 , the heart attack I had following it taught me to calm down.

Found this very moving. A comment not just about our club, but about contemporary London and life generally.

Hope the ticker is ok A11.

Yes agree, all the best A11, take care fella

[DB10GOONER]

This thread is now as tedious and repetitive as the Wenger thread became.

[A11M11]

Thanks , At the beginning of the post I had not expected it to get so mauldling but once I started typing it just came out..
There is a long family interest in the club going back to my Grandfather who was a blacksmith at Woolwich Arsenal between 1900 and the first world war , It continues to day to my grandaughter aged 7 . Although I doubt that I will take her to a match she has been to the Emirates with my son who immediately after took her for a walk around Gillespie road and Avenall road to show her the history .

Thanks again for your wishes , the heart seems ok , just a stent . The wonders of modern medical care.

[the playing mantis]

This thread is now as tedious and repetitive as the Wenger thread became.

didnt take 10 years though!

has he gone yet?