THE PROJOE TOTALLY POINTLESS TRANSFER RUMOUR THREAD

[mikeyb772001]

But out of interest what is your grip with AW?

Personally, I don't think the sun shines out of his arse. Far from it but under the current situation I think he's the best for the job. Which may not bring trophies even still.

My gripe is that I feel he doesn’t see what we see when it comes to the team. Agreed, but whoever the manager is we'd complain about selection. Althought with AW we complain about the strenght of the squad. He pays under average players far to much, Don't know this to be true but it's are wages are quite high given the quality of the squad. makes POOR first team choices, (see above) doesn’t see the importance of English players (agreed with that before the world cup but there is a load coming through) and he has far to much faith in really shit players who don’t seem to care about the team at all. (He believes they will, it's all the 'self belief hype and building confidence)He tells us lies like “I will make additions before the world cupâ€

[g88ner]

But out of interest what is your grip with AW?

Personally, I don't think the sun shines out of his arse. Far from it but under the current situation I think he's the best for the job. Which may not bring trophies even still.

I'm not even sure Wenger definately is the best man for the job.

It's fairly obvious by now that he doesn't teach defence, but we've now conceded 79 league goals in the last 78 league games - which, for a top club, is a disgrace. That's just over a goal a game FFS! that's just totally unprofessional and bordering on criminal for a side to be so bad at defending.
- yet, are we so bad at defending because Wenger has no money?? - no, of course not. We're bad at defending because we clearly don't coach defence properly. Players clearly aren't as well drilled as Mourinho teams are, and not as well drilled as the old Arsenal back four were. This lot look lost, and make bad decisions EVERY game. They need guidance and COACHING! something Arsene won't do

So, as far as defence goes - is Wenger really the best man for the job? does trying to outscore the opposition really give us the best chance of success? - I'm ont convinced.

Then you have to ask how many other top managers would put their faith in Almunia for 3 years? - not many, I assure you!

How many top managers don't have a tall defender at the back? - and when the VAST MAJORITY of goals conceded come aerially and from set plays, why we continue to play small players? - it's nuts!

Then the big question about MONEY... does Wenger spend all the money available to him??? somehow, I doubt it.

You also have to wonder why he chucks the domestic cups every season? it's clearly our best chance of silverware, yet they're discarded like trash under Wenger

I like Wenger, but this idea that he's the best man for the job is wearing thin - his deficiencies run so, so much deeper than financial constraints, and they just cannot be ignored any longer.

The guy needs to bring in a defensive coach, or our bid for success will continue to be undermined by poor defending and tactical naiveity that has become as much a Wenger legacy as the pretty football.

[Boomer]

But out of interest what is your grip with AW?

Personally, I don't think the sun shines out of his arse. Far from it but under the current situation I think he's the best for the job. Which may not bring trophies even still.

What current situation? We have chatted about this before but we havent been told anything regarding money or the lack of it. Im not having a dig at you but lots of people read between the lines and say we are skint. Until i hear it from the club im not having it!!! We halved our debt in the last couple of years, we had plenty of money to do that then!!!!

Wenger is on a personal crusade to prove the ever changing football world wrong about spending money and Arsenal Football Club are suffering due to it

100% right!
We have made lots of profit that is proven. I dont get why he wont buy some fucking players. I also dont get why were all so laid back about it. Come Blackpool when we score we will have the stupid song again...
Have we turned into the England Football team mentality when they win 1 game it means we win the world cup!
Hell no, were in a bad way and winning all our pre season games has done more harm than good!

I've just answered this above but just to clarify. Yes, the club does make profits but where does it go? not to the board or shares as the share holders don't make money.
I understand it's paying off the debt. Hence why we paid so much last year. Also explains why we haven't been able to invest.
We don't get sponsor money only gate receipts.

The question is how much Wenger is involved with this. I bet he's half to blame as he goes along with the board or sugguests.
But I believe that we are being delibratly tight which is the board not being clear.

[flash gunner]

but Boomer times werent so tight that we couldnt halve the debt in the last 2 years??? Why was the debt halved? As i said before we must have had a managable debt mortgage style over a period of years but we reduced the importance of the playing side to get an already managable business side in order? It doesnt make sense.

You wouldnt buy a house with a managable mortagage and then live on bread and water for 10 years so that you could pay it off early!!! I think Wenger has his own crusade going mate

[Boomer]

But out of interest what is your grip with AW?

Personally, I don't think the sun shines out of his arse. Far from it but under the current situation I think he's the best for the job. Which may not bring trophies even still.

I'm not even sure Wenger definately is the best man for the job.

It's fairly obvious by now that he doesn't teach defence, but we've now conceded 79 league goals in the last 78 league games - which, for a top club, is a disgrace. That's just over a goal a game FFS! that's just totally unprofessional and bordering on criminal for a side to be so bad at defending.
- yet, are we so bad at defending because Wenger has no money?? - no, of course not. We're bad at defending because we clearly don't coach defence properly. Players clearly aren't as well drilled as Mourinho teams are, and not as well drilled as the old Arsenal back four were. This lot look lost, and make bad decisions EVERY game. They need guidance and COACHING! something Arsene won't do

So, as far as defence goes - is Wenger really the best man for the job? does trying to outscore the opposition really give us the best chance of success? - I'm ont convinced.

Then you have to ask how many other top managers would put their faith in Almunia for 3 years? - not many, I assure you!

How many top managers don't have a tall defender at the back? - and when the VAST MAJORITY of goals conceded come aerially and from set plays, why we continue to play small players? - it's nuts!

Then the big question about MONEY... does Wenger spend all the money available to him??? somehow, I doubt it.

You also have to wonder why he chucks the domestic cups every season? it's clearly our best chance of silverware, yet they're discarded like trash under Wenger

I like Wenger, but this idea that he's the best man for the job is wearing thin - his deficiencies run so, so much deeper than financial constraints, and they just cannot be ignored any longer.

The guy needs to bring in a defensive coach, or our bid for success will continue to be undermined by poor defending and tactical naiveity that has become as much a Wenger legacy as the pretty football.

Under normal circumstance I'd agree. Totally.
But for a club like us we need a top manager but one that can work with little or no money.
I think this year is Wengers last hoorar!

[flash gunner]

But out of interest what is your grip with AW?

Personally, I don't think the sun shines out of his arse. Far from it but under the current situation I think he's the best for the job. Which may not bring trophies even still.

I'm not even sure Wenger definately is the best man for the job.

It's fairly obvious by now that he doesn't teach defence, but we've now conceded 79 league goals in the last 78 league games - which, for a top club, is a disgrace. That's just over a goal a game FFS! that's just totally unprofessional and bordering on criminal for a side to be so bad at defending.
- yet, are we so bad at defending because Wenger has no money?? - no, of course not. We're bad at defending because we clearly don't coach defence properly. Players clearly aren't as well drilled as Mourinho teams are, and not as well drilled as the old Arsenal back four were. This lot look lost, and make bad decisions EVERY game. They need guidance and COACHING! something Arsene won't do

So, as far as defence goes - is Wenger really the best man for the job? does trying to outscore the opposition really give us the best chance of success? - I'm ont convinced.

Then you have to ask how many other top managers would put their faith in Almunia for 3 years? - not many, I assure you!

How many top managers don't have a tall defender at the back? - and when the VAST MAJORITY of goals conceded come aerially and from set plays, why we continue to play small players? - it's nuts!

Then the big question about MONEY... does Wenger spend all the money available to him??? somehow, I doubt it.

You also have to wonder why he chucks the domestic cups every season? it's clearly our best chance of silverware, yet they're discarded like trash under Wenger

I like Wenger, but this idea that he's the best man for the job is wearing thin - his deficiencies run so, so much deeper than financial constraints, and they just cannot be ignored any longer.

The guy needs to bring in a defensive coach, or our bid for success will continue to be undermined by poor defending and tactical naiveity that has become as much a Wenger legacy as the pretty football.

Great post g88ner

[Boomer]

but Boomer times werent so tight that we couldnt halve the debt in the last 2 years??? Why was the debt halved? As i said before we must have had a managable debt mortgage style over a period of years but we reduced the importance of the playing side to get an already managable business side in order? It doesnt make sense.

You wouldnt buy a house with a managable mortagage and then live on bread and water for 10 years so that you could pay it off early!!! I think Wenger has his own crusade going mate

Because we sold Highbury in the same year. Also the lack of any re-investment meant more money was paid off.
I would bet AW was offered 'some' money for transfers but chose not to. Hence why more and an over reliance on the 'project' has been dividends to the loan.
Also the original plan managing the loan may have changed in or during the recession

[flash gunner]

but Boomer times werent so tight that we couldnt halve the debt in the last 2 years??? Why was the debt halved? As i said before we must have had a managable debt mortgage style over a period of years but we reduced the importance of the playing side to get an already managable business side in order? It doesnt make sense.

You wouldnt buy a house with a managable mortagage and then live on bread and water for 10 years so that you could pay it off early!!! I think Wenger has his own crusade going mate

Becuase we sold Highbury in the same year. Also the lack of any re-investment meant more money was paid off.
I would bet AW was offered 'some' money for transfers but chose not to. Hence why more and an over reliance on the 'project' has been dividends to the loan.
Also the original plan managing the loan may have changed in or during the recession

Its all guess work again mate. Without sounding like Benitez the facts as we are told is we have money to spend but Wenger doesnt want to spend and if the mortgage terms were changed how did we manage to pay off so much and the facts are it was a fortune something like £100 million not a fiver here and there!!!

I only deal in facts (re Benitez) not guesswork

[BT]

But out of interest what is your grip with AW?

Personally, I don't think the sun shines out of his arse. Far from it but under the current situation I think he's the best for the job. Which may not bring trophies even still.

I'm not even sure Wenger definately is the best man for the job.

It's fairly obvious by now that he doesn't teach defence, but we've now conceded 79 league goals in the last 78 league games - which, for a top club, is a disgrace. That's just over a goal a game FFS! that's just totally unprofessional and bordering on criminal for a side to be so bad at defending.
- yet, are we so bad at defending because Wenger has no money?? - no, of course not. We're bad at defending because we clearly don't coach defence properly. Players clearly aren't as well drilled as Mourinho teams are, and not as well drilled as the old Arsenal back four were. This lot look lost, and make bad decisions EVERY game. They need guidance and COACHING! something Arsene won't do

So, as far as defence goes - is Wenger really the best man for the job? does trying to outscore the opposition really give us the best chance of success? - I'm ont convinced.

Then you have to ask how many other top managers would put their faith in Almunia for 3 years? - not many, I assure you!

How many top managers don't have a tall defender at the back? - and when the VAST MAJORITY of goals conceded come aerially and from set plays, why we continue to play small players? - it's nuts!

Then the big question about MONEY... does Wenger spend all the money available to him??? somehow, I doubt it.

You also have to wonder why he chucks the domestic cups every season? it's clearly our best chance of silverware, yet they're discarded like trash under Wenger

I like Wenger, but this idea that he's the best man for the job is wearing thin - his deficiencies run so, so much deeper than financial constraints, and they just cannot be ignored any longer.

The guy needs to bring in a defensive coach, or our bid for success will continue to be undermined by poor defending and tactical naiveity that has become as much a Wenger legacy as the pretty football.

Great post g88ner. My feeling that the problem was bigger than financial was highlighted in the F A Cup semi final v Chelsea when he dropped Arshavin and Song. Still annoys me now thinking about it. That was just a very odd decision which he justified as 'wanting the team to be prepared for the Champion's League without AA'.

And it was further exasperated by the way he gave up on the league against Wigan and Spurs with his squad selections at the end of last season, when the title was still possible.

And thats just team selection...that doesnt even cover the coaching issues or lack of tactical flexibility that clearly isn't implemented. Or the complete failure to ever throw on subs before 70 mins. Or the lack of set-piece practice. Or the continued investment in contracts for sub-standard players. None of which is finance-based.

Anyway, as for Cesc, he signed a contract extention at a time when the squad was stronger, many of his friends remained at the club and he hadn't suffered another 2 seasons of the same old shite. His broken leg and world cup jaunt mean he's been exposed to the Barca peer pressure a lot more this summer and the alarm bells at arsenal are deafening. I think his leaving is premature if it happens now but i don't see why he is to blame or how else he could have handled this, aside from getting his Barca mates to pipe down (which ironically, have probably hindered his chances of leaving).

[Boomer]

but Boomer times werent so tight that we couldnt halve the debt in the last 2 years??? Why was the debt halved? As i said before we must have had a managable debt mortgage style over a period of years but we reduced the importance of the playing side to get an already managable business side in order? It doesnt make sense.

You wouldnt buy a house with a managable mortagage and then live on bread and water for 10 years so that you could pay it off early!!! I think Wenger has his own crusade going mate

Becuase we sold Highbury in the same year. Also the lack of any re-investment meant more money was paid off.
I would bet AW was offered 'some' money for transfers but chose not to. Hence why more and an over reliance on the 'project' has been dividends to the loan.
Also the original plan managing the loan may have changed in or during the recession

Its all guess work again mate. Without sounding like Benitez the facts as we are told is we have money to spend but Wenger doesnt want to spend and if the mortgage terms were changed how did we manage to pay off so much and the facts are it was a fortune something like £100 million not a fiver here and there!!!

I only deal in facts (re Benitez) not guesswork

You're believing what the board tell you! tut tut!
I'm not going on USmartin crusade on this but we don't know where that money is going.
I didn't mean the terms on the mortage was changed I was refering to the clubs plan.
Maybe there thinking beyond Wenger. 'He has a year left us lets clear this debt quickly and move onwards and upwards.'
The fact is you assuming that Wenger was given the money (profits)

[Boomer]

But out of interest what is your grip with AW?

Personally, I don't think the sun shines out of his arse. Far from it but under the current situation I think he's the best for the job. Which may not bring trophies even still.

I'm not even sure Wenger definately is the best man for the job.

It's fairly obvious by now that he doesn't teach defence, but we've now conceded 79 league goals in the last 78 league games - which, for a top club, is a disgrace. That's just over a goal a game FFS! that's just totally unprofessional and bordering on criminal for a side to be so bad at defending.
- yet, are we so bad at defending because Wenger has no money?? - no, of course not. We're bad at defending because we clearly don't coach defence properly. Players clearly aren't as well drilled as Mourinho teams are, and not as well drilled as the old Arsenal back four were. This lot look lost, and make bad decisions EVERY game. They need guidance and COACHING! something Arsene won't do

So, as far as defence goes - is Wenger really the best man for the job? does trying to outscore the opposition really give us the best chance of success? - I'm ont convinced.

Then you have to ask how many other top managers would put their faith in Almunia for 3 years? - not many, I assure you!

How many top managers don't have a tall defender at the back? - and when the VAST MAJORITY of goals conceded come aerially and from set plays, why we continue to play small players? - it's nuts!

Then the big question about MONEY... does Wenger spend all the money available to him??? somehow, I doubt it.

You also have to wonder why he chucks the domestic cups every season? it's clearly our best chance of silverware, yet they're discarded like trash under Wenger

I like Wenger, but this idea that he's the best man for the job is wearing thin - his deficiencies run so, so much deeper than financial constraints, and they just cannot be ignored any longer.

The guy needs to bring in a defensive coach, or our bid for success will continue to be undermined by poor defending and tactical naiveity that has become as much a Wenger legacy as the pretty football.

Great post g88ner. My feeling that the problem was bigger than financial was highlighted in the F A Cup semi final v Chelsea when he dropped Arshavin and Song. Still annoys me now thinking about it. That was just a very odd decision which he justified as 'wanting the team to be prepared for the Champion's League without AA'.

And it was further exasperated by the way he gave up on the league against Wigan and Spurs with his squad selections at the end of last season, when the title was still possible.

And thats just team selection...that doesnt even cover the coaching issues or lack of tactical flexibility that clearly isn't implemented. Or the complete failure to ever throw on subs before 70 mins. Or the lack of set-piece practice. Or the continued investment in contracts for sub-standard players. None of which is finance-based.

Anyway, as for Cesc, he signed a contract extention at a time when the squad was stronger, many of his friends remained at the club and he hadn't suffered another 2 seasons of the same old shite. His broken leg and world cup jaunt mean he's been exposed to the Barca peer pressure a lot more this summer and the alarm bells at arsenal are deafening. I think his leaving is premature if it happens now but i don't see why he is to blame or how else he could have handled this, aside from getting his Barca mates to pipe down (which ironically, have probably hindered his chances of leaving).

The FA semi final was what I was hinting at earlier.
It still gets me now.

Tatically he's inept I feel.
But in terms of working with restraints and budgets is where he's best suited. Otherwise your looking at managers like Moyes!

[mikeyb772001]

Sorry to change subject but just read this ona site regarding Marchetti. I am quite glad becuase if we were to buy a keeper i wouldnt want him.


However, commenting on Twitter earlier this week, reputable Gunners correspondent John Cross of The Mirror, revealed he had been told Marchetti was a no-go for the Londoners.

[flash gunner]

but Boomer times werent so tight that we couldnt halve the debt in the last 2 years??? Why was the debt halved? As i said before we must have had a managable debt mortgage style over a period of years but we reduced the importance of the playing side to get an already managable business side in order? It doesnt make sense.

You wouldnt buy a house with a managable mortagage and then live on bread and water for 10 years so that you could pay it off early!!! I think Wenger has his own crusade going mate

Becuase we sold Highbury in the same year. Also the lack of any re-investment meant more money was paid off.
I would bet AW was offered 'some' money for transfers but chose not to. Hence why more and an over reliance on the 'project' has been dividends to the loan.
Also the original plan managing the loan may have changed in or during the recession

Its all guess work again mate. Without sounding like Benitez the facts as we are told is we have money to spend but Wenger doesnt want to spend and if the mortgage terms were changed how did we manage to pay off so much and the facts are it was a fortune something like £100 million not a fiver here and there!!!

I only deal in facts (re Benitez) not guesswork

You're believing what the board tell you! tut tut!
I'm not going on USmartin crusade on this but we don't know where that money is going.
I didn't mean the terms on the mortage was changed I was refering to the clubs plan.
Maybe there thinking beyond Wenger. 'He has a year left us lets clear this debt quickly and move onwards and upwards.'
The fact is you assuming that Wenger was given the money (profits)

They released a statement saying they had money to spend and then Wenger didnt spend it, we can only believe what they say. This is the problem nothing you have written Martin i mean Boomer has ever been proven or commented on by anyone of importance at the club its all reading between the lines by yourself

[Boomer]

but Boomer times werent so tight that we couldnt halve the debt in the last 2 years??? Why was the debt halved? As i said before we must have had a managable debt mortgage style over a period of years but we reduced the importance of the playing side to get an already managable business side in order? It doesnt make sense.

You wouldnt buy a house with a managable mortagage and then live on bread and water for 10 years so that you could pay it off early!!! I think Wenger has his own crusade going mate

Becuase we sold Highbury in the same year. Also the lack of any re-investment meant more money was paid off.
I would bet AW was offered 'some' money for transfers but chose not to. Hence why more and an over reliance on the 'project' has been dividends to the loan.
Also the original plan managing the loan may have changed in or during the recession

Its all guess work again mate. Without sounding like Benitez the facts as we are told is we have money to spend but Wenger doesnt want to spend and if the mortgage terms were changed how did we manage to pay off so much and the facts are it was a fortune something like £100 million not a fiver here and there!!!

I only deal in facts (re Benitez) not guesswork

You're believing what the board tell you! tut tut!
I'm not going on USmartin crusade on this but we don't know where that money is going.
I didn't mean the terms on the mortage was changed I was refering to the clubs plan.
Maybe there thinking beyond Wenger. 'He has a year left us lets clear this debt quickly and move onwards and upwards.'
The fact is you assuming that Wenger was given the money (profits)

They released a statement saying they had money to spend and then Wenger didnt spend it, we can only believe what they say. This is the problem nothing you have written Martin i mean Boomer has ever been proven or commented on by anyone of importance at the club its all reading between the lines by yourself

I wouldn't expect the club to say it was being tight. Never in a million years.
Jeeze even Barca would have a case for getting Cesc for lower!
But the evidence is there. I had thread regarding the clubs PL spending included AW's. The last 6 years was shocking read.
Even Adecashwhore said "he was sold as we needed the money"

Why in the last 6 or so years have we sold a major players when we didn't need to? Previoulsy he only released players if they were past there peek.

I guess I'm in the minority on this belief. Yes, I'd love another manager to come in and chuck out the trash (players) we have to watch. Be more tatical and make needed signings.
I just think we'll sadly hold Wenger accountable for towing a company line.

[g88ner]

[Great post g88ner. My feeling that the problem was bigger than financial was highlighted in the F A Cup semi final v Chelsea when he dropped Arshavin and Song. Still annoys me now thinking about it. That was just a very odd decision which he justified as 'wanting the team to be prepared for the Champion's League without AA'.

And it was further exasperated by the way he gave up on the league against Wigan and Spurs with his squad selections at the end of last season, when the title was still possible.

And thats just team selection...that doesnt even cover the coaching issues or lack of tactical flexibility that clearly isn't implemented. Or the complete failure to ever throw on subs before 70 mins. Or the lack of set-piece practice. Or the continued investment in contracts for sub-standard players. None of which is finance-based.

I nearly brought up the decision to drop Arshavin against Chelsea; still annoys me and Wenger's reasoning was just ridiculous. He dropped him so the other players knew they could we without him .... which they didn't! and when you consider than Arshavin went on to score 4 goals at Anfield a few days later, it makes it look plain stupidity by Wenger.

And yes, the Wigan game was a disgrace.

The FA semi final was what I was hinting at earlier.
It still gets me now.

Tatically he's inept I feel.
But in terms of working with restraints and budgets is where he's best suited. Otherwise your looking at managers like Moyes!

Agreed - tactically inept, but good at working on a budget (even though I doubt he's spending ALL the money available - but that's just my guess, really)

Anyway, by refusing to take defence seriously, he's basically undermining everything good that he does. I just don't get the logic behind it anymore.

And if we don't improve defensively this season, then he should walk. Because a coach who cannot improve a team that concedes an average of over a goal a game for 2 years needs to go, in my opinion. For a team of our quality and stature, our defensive record is a disgrace