The New Kits of 2010/2011 Thread.

[Big_G]

i changed the badge on the shirts

amazing, i want one!

[augie]

I know its just a bunch of mancs, but the anti glazer mobs idea of a fans shirt, with the profits going to charity doesent seem so bad an idea. Surely someone could produce one of the above shirts on mass? Get a few thousand made, sell them for a decent price, give the profit to a deserving charity. And the best bit would be that the club would actualy see how fans felt about the shirt in a practicle way. What would legaly stop something like this from happening?


...Ok, have thought of a few reasons myself, but still think its a good idea.

Havent given it huge inspection but I would imagine if the above shirt was made up without the nike logo, the sponsor writing or the new crest then there should be no problem with it. The club or anyone else cannot stop us or anybody else using our old crest cos it isnt and cant be copyrighted so what problems did you think of ?

[DB10GOONER]

Now if you could just point the cannon the other way & make the Flemirates logo go vamoose that’d be just dandy.

Why do are people so hung up on the way the cannon is facing? It always seems to be brought up that somehow because the current cannon is facing East it is against our tradition. But reading this from Wikipedia it's clear that that is a load of rubbish.

Unveiled in 1888, Royal Arsenal's first crest featured three cannons viewed from above, pointing northwards

Perhaps then if we want to preserve our traditions the correct way would be to have the cannon facing upwards?

This was dropped after the move to Highbury in 1913, only to be reinstated in 1922, when the club adopted a crest featuring a single cannon, pointing eastwards, with the club's nickname, The Gunners, inscribed alongside it

So going by this, the crest that we had at Highbury was actually facing East not West, and as this was the crest that is most similar to the one today, perhaps the correct way is actually to face East if you're talking about preserving tradition.

The bottom line is that our crest has changed a lot over our history with it first facing up north, and then eastwards, so it's wrong to say that just because it's been changed again that it is somehow going against tradition. There hasn't been just one design that has now suddenly changed, its been revised and altered several times, sometimes not even having a cannon at all, so i really don't understand it when people say that the "cannon is facing the wrong way".

We've had this on here before... Original does NOT mean Traditional.

Tradition is built up by our association with something culturally, socially and personally over a period of time. We associate the yellow away and the west-pointing cannon with the era 99% of us have followed the Arsenal (1960's to date) and with great players that wore those colours and with great moments in the clubs history.

There was also the train of thought amongst older Gooners that the cannon facing west away from the scum was a nice (if childish) little snub to the scum, infering they weren't worth fearing but by facing the cannon east it somehow infers respect or fear of them by acknowledging their existance.

For me I don't really care about that bit but I do like continuing the traditions that both myself and my father before me grew up with.

And MM99, I hardly think anyone is getting bent out of shape over this, people are just expressing their preference.

[I Hate Hleb]

That's not quite true DB10. I know for certain that there is a Morph somewhere that's getting bent out of shape.

[Clueless_In_Dorset]

I know its just a bunch of mancs, but the anti glazer mobs idea of a fans shirt, with the profits going to charity doesent seem so bad an idea. Surely someone could produce one of the above shirts on mass? Get a few thousand made, sell them for a decent price, give the profit to a deserving charity. And the best bit would be that the club would actualy see how fans felt about the shirt in a practicle way. What would legaly stop something like this from happening?


...Ok, have thought of a few reasons myself, but still think its a good idea.

Havent given it huge inspection but I would imagine if the above shirt was made up without the nike logo, the sponsor writing or the new crest then there should be no problem with it. The club or anyone else cannot stop us or anybody else using our old crest cos it isnt and cant be copyrighted so what problems did you think of ?

Mostly i was thinking along the lines of any such shirt looking far too similar to old official designs; but if the way they treat the shirts is anything to go by, then that wouldnt really be much of a problem

[Boomer]

Thank CF! Although seeing it I do slightly prefer the blue trim but was good to see. Still not a patch on the bradford monstrosity!

I would buy both dan's and CF's! See Nike keep it simple and we (CF and Dan) have made two great kits and loved by the mass's.

I still wanna see the cannon's facing up....just for laughs!

[MM99]

We've had this on here before... Original does NOT mean Traditional.

Ok, but i don't see how that relates to anything i've said, i haven't said that original = traditional so i'm not sure what you're getting at there with that.

Tradition is built up by our association with something culturally, socially and personally over a period of time. We associate the yellow away and the west-pointing cannon with the era 99% of us have followed the Arsenal (1960's to date) and with great players that wore those colours and with great moments in the clubs history.

Agreed, but the point is, and you mention it yourself, that it's the era that some fans have grown up with where the cannon has faced that way; that does NOT mean that just because it has changed again that it is somehow going against all that is Arsenal, or pissing on our tradition. As i explained before, our crest has changed many times over our history and faced East first before it faced West, so if anything facing East is more traditional that it facing West, so just because certain people grew up with the cannon facing West it does not mean that now that it has faced the other way that it is somehow "untraditional" or "un-Arsenal".

For me I don't really care about that bit but I do like continuing the traditions that both myself and my father before me grew up with.

And MM99, I hardly think anyone is getting bent out of shape over this, people are just expressing their preference.

That is fair enough mate, everyone's got their personal preference on the badge or the cannon and entitled to their opinion. But one thing that does piss me off is when people claim that just because something has changed from what they've been used to, that it is somehow going against that fundamental principles of Arsenal Football Club. Just as a while ago we had someone slating the club for having blue on the away kits, i posted up and image of all our past kits and blue was a part of our away kit since the very first few away kits we had. It seems that because people don't like the way something has changed that they say that it is 'wrong' or untraditional or whatever.
IUFGN might not necessarily be getting stressed out over the way the cannon is facing but my rant wasn't just aimed at him, it was more at all the times i have seen the whole "oh the cannon is facing the wrong way" line be said over many many threads on many many forums. Was more of a rant at those people who adopt that view rather than anyone specific in this certain thread.

[NBM]

I know its just a bunch of mancs, but the anti glazer mobs idea of a fans shirt, with the profits going to charity doesent seem so bad an idea. Surely someone could produce one of the above shirts on mass? Get a few thousand made, sell them for a decent price, give the profit to a deserving charity. And the best bit would be that the club would actualy see how fans felt about the shirt in a practicle way. What would legaly stop something like this from happening?


...Ok, have thought of a few reasons myself, but still think its a good idea.

Havent given it huge inspection but I would imagine if the above shirt was made up without the nike logo, the sponsor writing or the new crest then there should be no problem with it. The club or anyone else cannot stop us or anybody else using our old crest cos it isnt and cant be copyrighted so what problems did you think of ?

Mostly i was thinking along the lines of any such shirt looking far too similar to old official designs; but if the way they treat the shirts is anything to go by, then that wouldnt really be much of a problem

Oddly a friend of mine who is a member on RAWK just emailed me their "fans shirt" as part of the protest against the owners (sorry about the size)



They're also calling for a boycott of our opener up there.

[augie]

Wouldnt it cause some fuss in the media if ourselves, the scousers and the mancs all brought out a "fans shirt" ? Christ they would be wetting themselves over the headlines they would make out of it Although saying that our coverage would probably be pushed into the background by the exposure the two "big clubs" would get

[Clueless_In_Dorset]

and from a more selfish point of view, if enough people brought a shirt like that, it would send a clear message to the club about what people like us want.

[augie]

and from a more selfish point of view, if enough people brought a shirt like that, it would send a clear message to the club about what people like us want.

And for a lot of us that would be a good thing but sadly there are a number of fans who will not oppose the club over anything and would view such an act as treachery

[digger]

There are also a fuckload of our fans who like the white kits and the charlton-esque home shirts. It's only a minority of us who oppose these nasty shirts, and I guess most of us wouldn't buy a shirt anyway - the club doesn't give a fuck.

[Clueless_In_Dorset]

and from a more selfish point of view, if enough people brought a shirt like that, it would send a clear message to the club about what people like us want.

And for a lot of us that would be a good thing but sadly there are a number of fans who will not oppose the club over anything and would view such an act as treachery

But it wouldnt be done as an oppostion type thing. You could frame it as money raising idea for a good cause, or you could play it from the angle of using a fan shirt as a tribute to Arsenal's glorious past. surely that couldnt be seen as treachary? That and i really do want one of those gourgeous yellow and blue shirts

[Clueless_In_Dorset]

There are also a fuckload of our fans who like the white kits and the charlton-esque home shirts. It's only a minority of us who oppose these nasty shirts, and I guess most of us wouldn't buy a shirt anyway - the club doesn't give a fuck.

But how can such a hideous excretion of a shirt like that be ok with anyone?

[RoscommonGooner]

There are also a fuckload of our fans who like the white kits and the charlton-esque home shirts. It's only a minority of us who oppose these nasty shirts, and I guess most of us wouldn't buy a shirt anyway - the club doesn't give a fuck.

The amount of those fuckwits that wore that white shirt to the home game against s**rs nearly made me puke