Serious question

[imarocknrollstar]

You're the fraud Duffman. You love Arsenal so much better you would let the Board destroy before you'd say a damned thing because that's how you love a football club. You take it up the ass from the owners in the club's name

And what exactly have you done to combat the problems with our club then? waffle on the internet for a year, abusing others who don't agree with you?
You started a petition and it got 20 signatures, what else do you expect to do? While I and many on here joined in with the BSM campaign you were pounding away on your keyboard posting in the protest page giving your self important pep talk. Don't make us sound like the apathetic ones when all you achieved on here is a notorious reputation for topic derailment and putting words into people's mouths and yet you still think your the mack daddy and start throwing around insults.
I've never known anyone to spend so much time on the internet posting about ONE topic for so long. Get over yourself

Oh please you live in Engaklnd and haven't said a goddamn thing for years years and you're going to try and claim some moral superiority because you are in England and have gone on a march and haven't done anything else to question anything?

I can guarantee that if I lived in England full-time over the past five years that I would have done far more far sooner than you can claim you have done. You should be ashamed at your failure or lack of desire to act sooner and then trying to claim you are less apathetic because you live in England and no other viable reason.

This efforto to portray the fatct that you live in england automatically makes you morally suporior and that not living in England automatcially disqualifies any others from having strong views on the club is as I said earlier and very ugly form of nationalism

Martin, stop being a *word censored*! Just because you live abroad does not mean you cannot express your views to the correct peolpe concerned or take less action than anyone living here in England. Your obsession with the board is becoming somewhat of an addiction to feed your ego.
No one likes a smart arse Martin...so put up or fuck off!

[USMartin]

USMartin:

Board changes since 2005?

Plenty.

Same board now as then?

No.

Same board now as 2008?

No.

As CC points out, it used to be Fiszman calling the shots in business, with Edelman imposing strict day to day spending limits.

Dein would be networking internationally and negotiating player contracts.

Ken Friar and David Miles would rubber stamp the contracts.

Roger Carr would report on youth development.

Lord Harris, Sir Chips and Peter Hill-Wood responsible for corporate liaison and talking to investment banks for stadium and housing funding, but the actual deals signed by Edelman.

And Wenger would have control of all on pitch activities, though there remains debate as to whether the Arshavin signing was the sole exception to this?


Now the board is different.

Kroenke has put his team in place to run things.
Gazidis (as you point out) the day to day man, but a slew of other non board appointees looking at new commercial projects and an in house lawyer too.

We judge Kroenke from now on.

As for Usmanov, Arseblog just posted saying that he needs over 30% of shares to gain access to the club accounts over and above those published to everyone as an obligation of a plc. (Available as a pdf from the club website).

Quartz the simple fact is this the last changes to the Arsenal Board came in 2008 other than Dan Fiszman's unfortunate circumstances. Otherwise the same exact board has run Arsenal since December of 2008("officially" Ivan Gazidis took his place 1 January 2009)so Since 2 january 2009 the Board has remained exactly as it is now bar Dan Fiszman's tragic departure.

The fact is as your own post points out even with the changes you correctly refer (as you misrepresent my point that the Board was largely the same now as in 2006 and virtually exactly the same as in 2008 what are absolute facts) that four of the six current Board members have been in place since 2005 and in the case of Messers Hill-Wood and Friar just a bit longer than that.

The question is how is this a new Board with a new direction or new ambition based on the current make-up? Name one member of the Board appointed after 2 January 2009? Just one...

[mcdowell42]

mmmm more bullshit you are a fraud

[DUFFMAN]

mmmm more bullshit you are a fraud

And a waffler

[USMartin]

[quote="USMartinMartin, stop being a c**t! Just because you live abroad does not mean you cannot express your views to the correct peolpe concerned or take less action than anyone living here in England. Your obsession with the board is becoming somewhat of an addiction to feed your ego.
No one likes a smart arse Martin...so put up or fuck off!

Let me get my checklist out ...let's see...

I'm a *word censored*, and smart ass and should fuck off...

I'm obssessed and addicted

Yep...my ego sure is fed by that



Look you can't defend what you believe and don't have the honesty to admit that or god forbid that you might be wrong so you resort to just attacking personally and insulting people hoping that will get rid of the poster and posts you don't like because that's easier than making the effort to prove you are right and they wrong especially if you aren't confident you can do that.

For the record I have e-mailed the club in the past and recieved reponsess in the past that are very cordially and neatly written but say nothing of real substance and raise as mny new questions as they seek to answer. My point is that we need to go beyond the individual e-mails and that cannot be done easily from 3000 miles away. Protests and real protests are needed and not just at matches on front of the ground. Not riots or anything but regular continuous protests and protests that force the Board to actually answer questions face-to-face, or more accurately directly in-person to those posing them. It can't all be done the way I'd think it needs to be from where I am, and its hard to partner with others because of ther imte difference and costs of communicating beyond that time difference (My phone bill is murder now)

[USMartin]

mmmm more bullshit you are a fraud

[QuartzGooner]

USM

It's a new board and a "new broom".

I do not for one moment think Kroenke came in and immediatley made sweeping changes.

For sure, I too think that the Gazidis appointment was linked to Kroenke, but I bet a wise old investor like Stan sat back a bit too, and watched Fizsman, Hill-Wood and Wenger operate, before commiting himself to major changes.

Those changes started last summer, with the commercial and legal revamp of the club.
"Medium changes" you might call them, important, but surely changes that will affect the club more in the next three or four years rather than immediately.

Now that Stan owns 2/3 of the club, he will really start to make his presence known.

It could be that he wants to do little else in the way of change, but at least we will know that the status quo is what he wants to maintain.
From 2008 until now we cannot know how much of a say Danny Fiszman had in things, and how much of a say Stan Kroenke had.

There have been changes 2005 - 2008 and not ones to be sniffed at.
It takes a while for the effects of the pack shuffling to be seen.

But the board who decided to build the new stadium is 13 years ago.

The following five board members of 2005 are no longer board members:

Sir Roger Gibbs
Clive Carr
David Dein
Danny Fiszman
Keith Edleman

Lady Nina has been and gone since then.

Sir Chips and Lord Harris are relatively new appointees from 2005.

Stan Kroenke joined 2008.

Ivan Gazidis joined 2009.

Roger Carr retains his youth development role but I am not sure if he actually attends board meetings since Lady Nina's departure, though he still sits in the directors box at games.

Arsene Wenger in my view holds a lot of power at the club, in yours holds rather less power.

Anyway, we all know this above information.

What we are waiting for now is evidence from yourself that sheds light on the board's past, present and future activities.
I await with genuine interest, as whilst your posts have proposed interesting theories, they remain to date - "circumstantial" rather than identifying documented evidence.

[mcdowell42]

So you have proof and evidence to back up your theories.


Very simple question even for you, do you or do you not have something to back up your claims.

[Henry Norris 1913]

Look you can't defend what you believe and don't have the honesty to admit that or god forbid that you might be wrong so you resort to just attacking personally and insulting people

do you have any dignity? you really are the biggest hypocrite on here marty.
And e-mailing the club is hardly planting the seeds of revolution is it? you know what your going to get from them anyway. what enlightenment did you experience from the replies you got anyway ? do they prove that the board do indeed control wenger? if so maybe you could use it on that evidence paper due in

[USMartin]

mmmm more bullshit you are a fraud

And a waffler

[redstevo]

You are using the yawn emoticon?????

Now you know the effect you have on us!

Out of interest do you work?

[USMartin]

So you have proof and evidence to back up your theories.


Very simple question even for you, do you or do you not have something to back up your claims.

[mcdowell42]

Its getting embarassing now marty just admit you have nothing to back up your claims.You are a fraud various posters besides from myself have asked you to present your so called evidence for the last 3 days and you have drawn a blank.So you can understand why some of us think you talk thru your arse.If you have evidence/proof post it on here.

And finally you have discoverd emoticons, that took some time

[olgitgooner]

[quote="redstevo"]You are using the yawn emoticon?????

Now you know the effect you have on us!

Out of interest do you work?[/quote]

Yeh he works here.....
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[USMartin]

Look you can't defend what you believe and don't have the honesty to admit that or god forbid that you might be wrong so you resort to just attacking personally and insulting people

do you have any dignity? you really are the biggest hypocrite on here marty.
And e-mailing the club is hardly planting the seeds of revolution is it? you know what your going to get from them anyway. what enlightenment did you experience from the replies you got anyway ? do they prove that the board do indeed control wenger? if so maybe you could use it on that evidence paper due in

Wait a minute earlier I was criticized for not doing those things, now i'm criticized for doing them?

What a sad joke, and you speak of hypocrisy.How rich.

As for the seeds of revolution - well I tried more than you . . I put up the petition and was ridiculed by you when youm didn;'t have the gut or courage to sign it yourself except maybe in some snarky name like Dick Hertz or something. How fucking clever how fucking mature, and how much you cared about Arsenal that you would reject a sincere effort out-of-hand and than accuse the person making that effort that you refused to take part in of not doing enough or trying enough.

And you are judging who is hypocriticial...oh dear...

The only thing I can conclude again is my nationality disqualifies mr from having some legitimate voice or role in your mind because i cannot theink of any r=other reason if you genuinely share my coincerns and desire for changes you would judge me and my efforts so summarily even when i make more of a genuine effort than most.

Either that or maybe your isnstence that you and others dislike how the Board is running the lcub like I do simply is less than genuine? you tell me...

But really given the facts that you even refer to to call me hypocritical in the manner you do really takes the biscuit. I guess I'm hyprocritical because I am not English or not living in England now or something... Judging people and their character by the nation of their origin or where they live at the time they say something comes awfully close to judging them based on their religion or the color of their skin. It is not racist but its not a whole lot better behavior either.