Marseille at home

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donaldo wrote:Why cant Wenger learn you WIN the group then you rest your best player
If RVP had played, we had won but he got injured we would all be gutted this morning. Im quite happy we rested him and yeah we havent qualified yet but i fully expect to do so the group stages of the European Cup are piss poor and we shouldnt have any trouble IMO

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The thing is if he had played last night we would have probably taken the lead, he could have been brought off in the 2nd half and wouldn't have had to play a CL game until the knock out stages

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I have to say I feel Arteta is unfairly criticised on here. His 'sweeping' up is very good. He reminds me a lot of Gilberto in the sense that he often doesn't get noticed for what he is actually doing.

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The team couldn't score due to the prowess of OM's defence. Yes Ramsey had a golden chance.. But overall they were incredibly organised and difficult to break down, credit to them.

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flash gunner wrote:
donaldo wrote:Why cant Wenger learn you WIN the group then you rest your best player
If RVP had played, we had won but he got injured we would all be gutted this morning. Im quite happy we rested him and yeah we havent qualified yet but i fully expect to do so the group stages of the European Cup are piss poor and we shouldnt have any trouble IMO
for once i agree with you.

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piresistible wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
donaldo wrote:Why cant Wenger learn you WIN the group then you rest your best player
If RVP had played, we had won but he got injured we would all be gutted this morning. Im quite happy we rested him and yeah we havent qualified yet but i fully expect to do so the group stages of the European Cup are piss poor and we shouldnt have any trouble IMO
for once i agree with you.
So you dont agree with what i wrote on page 9 about you disappearing after the appalling, disgusting and embarrassing 8-2 defeat and then giving babatunde stick for doing the same? 8) :D

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must admit that the Marseille fans were amazing last night. Just about the loudest foreign away support I have known at the Emirates.

as I was in the clock end I felt like I was at an away match at the start.
at least they encouraged us to stand up too.

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flash gunner wrote:
piresistible wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
donaldo wrote:Why cant Wenger learn you WIN the group then you rest your best player
If RVP had played, we had won but he got injured we would all be gutted this morning. Im quite happy we rested him and yeah we havent qualified yet but i fully expect to do so the group stages of the European Cup are piss poor and we shouldnt have any trouble IMO
for once i agree with you.
So you dont agree with what i wrote on page 9 about you disappearing after the appalling, disgusting and embarrassing 8-2 defeat and then giving babatunde stick for doing the same? 8) :D
No, I retreated to calm :lol:

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rigsby wrote:I have to say I feel Arteta is unfairly criticised on here. His 'sweeping' up is very good. He reminds me a lot of Gilberto in the sense that he often doesn't get noticed for what he is actually doing.
Absolutely. I can't believe the stick some people are giving him. He's been one of the most consistent players this season which given where he came from and the time he's had to adjust is remarkable. I can only think its the lazy comparison to Fabregas that's the issue i.e he's Spanish and plays in midfield. A bit like everyone who wanted to shoot down Diaby because he wasn't the new Vieira after 10 minutes but should have been because he's tall, French and plays in the middle of the park

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My problem with Arteta is that I thought he came here as a playmaker, not a 'midfield general' kind of player? Song is more creative than Arteta! I'm not saying he's crap or get rid of him but we're crying out for creativity at the moment. Wilshere alongside Arteta however could be a very nice partnership!

I still think we could be in very big trouble in the CL if we lose to Dortmund and that is quite possible. We should have beaten a poor Marseille team and we didn't because of our inadequecies, not because Marseille were quality.

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TeeCee wrote:My problem with Arteta is that I thought he came here as a playmaker, not a 'midfield general' kind of player? Song is more creative than Arteta! I'm not saying he's crap or get rid of him but we're crying out for creativity at the moment. Wilshere alongside Arteta however could be a very nice partnership!

I still think we could be in very big trouble in the CL if we lose to Dortmund and that is quite possible. We should have beaten a poor Marseille team and we didn't because of our inadequecies, not because Marseille were quality.
Strange because I've always seen Arteta as a general rather than the creative, flair player. He should deploy Arshavin in a more central creators role with any two from Arteta/Ramsey/Song doing the policing. I think the expectations from him are complete unrealistic with regards to being a new Cesc. Abou will back by the end of the month too and I'm hopeful that the Self Harmer will see fit to play him just behind the front man in his best role.

We should also consider signing the kid from Dortmund as a creator type too.

I agree about the consequences for the Group though. I can see a draw against Dortmund, but regardless of our result Marseille will take care of Olympiakos at the Velodrome, so either way we now need to go to Greece with a proper side. No rest for the wicked !

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SteveO 35 wrote:
TeeCee wrote:My problem with Arteta is that I thought he came here as a playmaker, not a 'midfield general' kind of player? Song is more creative than Arteta! I'm not saying he's crap or get rid of him but we're crying out for creativity at the moment. Wilshere alongside Arteta however could be a very nice partnership!

I still think we could be in very big trouble in the CL if we lose to Dortmund and that is quite possible. We should have beaten a poor Marseille team and we didn't because of our inadequecies, not because Marseille were quality.
Strange because I've always seen Arteta as a general rather than the creative, flair player. He should deploy Arshavin in a more central creators role with any two from Arteta/Ramsey/Song doing the policing. I think the expectations from him are complete unrealistic with regards to being a new Cesc.
Agree.

Going on current form, we could try Arteta deeper and use Ramsey more forward where his runs into the box could be of use:

Song and Arteta deep midfield, alternatively breaking forward if relevant, with Ramsey behind the striker.

Gervinho and Walcott wide, swapping sides at times.

RvP up front.

It would give us a strong bench with Arshavin, Coquelin, Frimpong etc to re-inforce the midfield.

Then if we need a Plan B, try someone alongside RvP ; Walcott, Ramsey, Chamakh, Arshavin, Gervinho, Park would all bring different strengths, and weaknesses, to that role.

But surely we must try it i training, and even the last minutes of a Carling Cup game, to see how it works?

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flash gunner wrote:
donaldo wrote:Why cant Wenger learn you WIN the group then you rest your best player
If RVP had played, we had won but he got injured we would all be gutted this morning. Im quite happy we rested him and yeah we havent qualified yet but i fully expect to do so the group stages of the European Cup are piss poor and we shouldnt have any trouble IMO
Agree with donaldo, Wenger does the same thing every fucking season in this competition. We will once again end up having to play to the last game to qualify, and maybe like last season as runners up.
Wenger will then be forced to play the likes of Van and others when he could have rested them without it being a "gamble" or worse still be forced to call on inexperience if we get more injuries.
Last night once again showed both his stupidity and arrogance, firstly by yet again not learning from past mistakes and arrogance founded on a good result at the weekend.
The man is a prize plonker, *word censored* and a fucking wanker.

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rigsby wrote:I have to say I feel Arteta is unfairly criticised on here. His 'sweeping' up is very good. He reminds me a lot of Gilberto in the sense that he often doesn't get noticed for what he is actually doing.
Isn't that what Song is in the team for

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Just home after last nights game and frustrated doesnt even begin to state how I feel. I said going to the game last night that their performance would tell if they had really turned the corner or if they had become your typical 2nd tier team who on occasions can rise their game to beat the big teams but are neither good enough nor consistant enough to do it on a regular basis :(

Last night the players looked so lethargic it was unbelievable - I am sorry but playing a game every 3 or 4 days should not result in the sort of mass hypnosis that our players showed last night. Theo and gervinho were absolute ***** and I honestly felt that we could have taken them off and played with 9 men and be as effective as we were with them :oops: :oops: :evil: Unlike others I am willing to be more tolerant of players like park and jenks who are just into the club and have hardly played for the 1st team but *word censored* like theo and gervinho should be shot imo. I really feel sorry for kos last night......on sat he was outstanding v the chavs only to be eased out to allow what is probably our first choice centre back pairing to line out together for the first time and I feel that is harsh on the lad :(

Finally a quick word at the atmosphere or lack thereof - normally I am a north bank regular but to get 4 tickets together last night I had to relocate to the clock end where I found the atmosphere especially shit :oops: The old "stand up if you hate..." got it's usual cringeworthy airings but in reality the marseille fans outsung us by a distance and the amount of empty seats was staggering :o :o

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