The Board-Finance-Kroenke

[QuartzGooner]

@Trevor

Apology accepted.

@Northbank123

Think it was an open secret that Dein wanted to spend more on players, and was sidelined on the board when the new stadium project began.

Guess it would take Usmanov buying the club to get Dein back, but only Kroenke and his immediate family would know if there are plans to sell.

[DB10GOONER]

Dein was ousted because he wanted us to move to Wembley and keep money for players rather then build the new stadium and become the real estate business that we currently are. Dein wasn't perfect (no board member is) but for me he was the best of a bad lot, to some extent, in that he was more concerned with success on the field rather than just building a business off the field. There is no denying that during his period of most influence/power at Arsenal, we were hugely succesful and signed fantastic players. Not all of that is down to Arsene, some of it was down to Dein. Without Dein there pushing Wenger to sign in the quality we need we've had to watch Wenger rule the club and fuck about with "the project" and his "internal solutions" bollocks...

[QuartzGooner]

Dein was ousted because he wanted us to move to Wembley and keep money for players rather then build the new stadium and become the real estate business that we currently are.

That set things off, then there were other issues too where his position became more untenable 1999 onwards.
He ended up in a minority of one, but the greatest irony in the history of Arsenal is that Kroenke now owns a huge chunk of the club!

[Nos89]

It's interesting that people are still calling for Dein to return to the board. Whilst he achieved a great amount he also made a whacking great big profit from the club. The anti- Kroenke brigade say he's in it for the money, but then again so was Dein. Unfortunately, the club has grown much too big for Dein to get back into. If you also consider his son's football agent's firm were involved in engineering Vieira's, Henry's Cesc's and (I think) RvP's move away from the club wouldn't it cause serious conflict if he attempted to return.
We need a person who will lead the club to the next stage up to sit alongside the Inter's, Madrid's and Bayern's. The only person I can see doing that, currently involved with the club, is Usmanov. He may have a dubious past but he has grown his wealth enormously in Eastern Europe and would surely be able to lead Arsenal into a stellar period of growth. The club is stagnant at the moment because it's not investing into its most greatest commodity...the squad. We should be looking at a "galatico" style squad of players, which we can afford, but simply don't...is it the manager or the board. After listening to Ivan speak at the last AGM it was made quite clear that the players coming in lands at the feet of the manager. Wenger has become the wall that is preventing us from being bigger than Man Utd, and IMO has been since the move in 2006. Move Wenger out and we may well see a different approach from the board.

[swimmer1]

Anybody know about this ?

http://www.citmagazine.com/article/1207 ... urbishment

[QuartzGooner]

It's interesting that people are still calling for Dein to return to the board. Whilst he achieved a great amount he also made a whacking great big profit from the club. The anti- Kroenke brigade say he's in it for the money, but then again so was Dein.

Dein drew a salary of £500,000 per year.
About par for his job wit any equivalent company.

Made a fortune from selling his shares, but when he bought them there early 1980's there was little money in football and Hill-Wood famously commented Dein's purchase was "dead money".

Unfortunately, the club has grown much too big for Dein to get back into. If you also consider his son's football agent's firm were involved in engineering Vieira's, Henry's Cesc's and (I think) RvP's move away from the club wouldn't it cause serious conflict if he attempted to return.

That old chestnut?

Please read my letter about that here, if you do not want to what I basically speculate is that Wenger used his connection to the Dein family to sell off players to raise money for Arsenal:

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/inde ... and-Wenger

Vieira was nothing to do with Darren Dein.
Henry wanted out.
RvP was let go by us.
Cesc? - The club wanted him to stay but he was always going to go back to Barcelona at some point.
Song - thank you Mr Dein!

[highburyJD]

RvP was let go by us.

why did he need to make his knobbish 'statement' then?
surely that move was forced through by the player...?

[QuartzGooner]

RvP was let go by us.

why did he need to make his knobbish 'statement' then?
surely that move was forced through by the player...?

We had the chance to keep him, he even went to the manager's house for morning coffee, as you celebrated by your thread at the time!

We let him go....we could have offered him more cash, shown him ambition by signing players, but we did not.

In the end he was offered too little incentive to stay...passive aggressive behaviour by Arsenal.

Similar to Clichy...both were guided towards the exit door.

[highburyJD]

I don't know enough about the ins and outs (can't even remember the coffee stuff)
my feeling at the time was that he was forcing a move through for one last payday
he's basically on Messi/Ronaldo money there - we weren't ever gonna do that
but if we'd matched what was on offer I guess he'd have had a 'conversion' just like Gerrard and Rooney...

[Nos89]

It's interesting that people are still calling for Dein to return to the board. Whilst he achieved a great amount he also made a whacking great big profit from the club. The anti- Kroenke brigade say he's in it for the money, but then again so was Dein.

Dein drew a salary of £500,000 per year.
About par for his job wit any equivalent company.

Made a fortune from selling his shares, but when he bought them there early 1980's there was little money in football and Hill-Wood famously commented Dein's purchase was "dead money".

Unfortunately, the club has grown much too big for Dein to get back into. If you also consider his son's football agent's firm were involved in engineering Vieira's, Henry's Cesc's and (I think) RvP's move away from the club wouldn't it cause serious conflict if he attempted to return.

That old chestnut?

Please read my letter about that here, if you do not want to what I basically speculate is that Wenger used his connection to the Dein family to sell off players to raise money for Arsenal:

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/inde ... and-Wenger

Vieira was nothing to do with Darren Dein.
Henry wanted out.
RvP was let go by us.
Cesc? - The club wanted him to stay but he was always going to go back to Barcelona at some point.
Song - thank you Mr Dein!

So, you agree he did make a fortune from Arsenal. I'm not criticising that I'm merely pointing out he made a whacking great fortune from the club, as you rightly pointed out in the form of shares. I'm pretty sure I read that Dein bought into arsenal after attending an NFL game and saw that football should go down that route. He did more than anyone to get afc to where we were in 1998. Great stadium, great team but we were outgrowing highbury and had to move. The champions league experiment of playing home games at Wembley was a clear indication of the potential attendences Arsenal could generate. We had to move, if Dein had his way, we'd be playing home games at Wembley, we wouldn't have our own stadium. That was his position as far as I understand. It is no secret that Darren Dein anchored those players move away. That would hardly look good on david dein being sat on the board whilst his son helped move our best players.It's also a reason why it would be difficult for him to return. Like George Graham, Dein had his day and should be commended by the way he led the club, but why go back? Bring in the next guy who has the capability in taking us to the steller level. We have everything in place now is the time to make that step. Sir chip Keswick and Kroenke with wenger don't seem to have it in them, Usmanov does.

[northbank123]

To be fair I don't really give a shit how much money Dein made from the club. His money was mostly made from the shares that he helped grow in value - not like Wenger and Gazidis where the exorbitant sums that fans pay to watch the team are siphoned off to pay their hardly-justified multi-million pound deals. Dein earned every penny of his salary and his primary concern above all else was seeing us succeed on the pitch - if he made money as a result of that then fair play to him.

As for him returning on the board I can't remember too many comments on here actually calling for that and everyone should realise that it's not feasible anyway at the moment - but some of the comments suggesting Darren Dein has got an agenda or is carrying out a vendetta on behalf of his dad are wide of the mark imo.

[georgeknows89]

DD is a gooner through and through who put his money in at a time when others wouldn't , but that was then and this is now.He still sits in club level every game and should be admired for his continued love and passion for our club.

As said by others, he played his part in our history but I also see it unlikely he will appear in any official capacity in the future.

As long as Hill Wood is alive he will still have his say with SK and IG to ensure he is never involved .

Even if Usmanov could get ownership anytime DD will be bloody 70 on 7th September so is not exactly either the forward vision for the future of our club and he might be consulted for his book of contacts and open a few doors ( for a few quid !) but i just cant see him having any part of a major role irrespective of what his wanker of a son has done, which has been for his own personal financial gain with no consideration to either his dad or the club

[QuartzGooner]

Nos89 and GeorgeKnows89

Strongly disagree with your dislike of Darren Dein.
It reads like you have made him a scapegoat for all the club's ills.

Wenger is very close to the Dein family, they holiday together.
Those transfers of four players from the club which Darren Dein was involved with, needed "Two to Tango".

No one forced a gun to those players' heads to move.
They were all adults.
Did Henry, Cesc and Song really need persuasion to go to Barcelona, a club with much more chance of silverware than us, and a city with an interesting lifestyle?
Of course not!
They all knew that under Wenger we are heading for fourth place, third if we are lucky, maybe a domestic cup.
And that is about it.

Dein was not Van Persie's agent, but he was an adviser.
Do you think a 29 year old RvP wanted to finish his career with one FA Cup Winner's medal?
I do not.
He went to a club with more chance of winning the league, and was proven right.
He got paid a lot more than we were offering.
Who can blame him!

Of those four deals, only Cesc left with Arsenal trying to keep him.
He was always going to leave anyway, am surprised he stayed as long as he did.
He left for a lower salary, what does that tell you about how much he wanted to go!
It is the harsh truth that Henry, Song and Van Persie were let go by the club, and all wanted to move.

Our decline as a team started back in 2005/2006, with a brief spell of contention 2007 - 2008.

The buck stops with Wenger and Kroenke.
Darren Dein was just a conduit for their intentions.

[georgeknows89]

Quartz,

This slightly going off the point in that I think the original point made was that because Darren Dein acted in some way withe these players it would make it harder for David to be involved with the club in the future which I believe to a degree is true.

I do not hate Darren as a person but hate the fact that a Dein did not help the Arsenal cause by being partially involved in some aspects with these players.

Yes Wenger and David are friends and holiday together and eat regularly at the ******* Restaurant in ***** on a ***** night [Edited for security and privacy reasons, - Quartz] but Darren never eats with them, different generation and there are plenty of families i know where the parents get on but one of them doesn't like or agree with either their own childrens friends or business dealings or they dont like or agree with their friends children.

David has always had Arsenals best interest at heart and likewise Wenger, even down to him always saying he will and has honoured all contracts.

I still feel that if Darren wanted to not be involved in anything that was perceived as ante arsenal fc or would have negative impact on the club then he could have found a way out but he didnt care and still doesn't.

Wind the clock forward in 12 or 24 months and if he is instrumental in say Jack going abroad or to Manchester lets see what all think then of him

[QuartzGooner]

@georgeknows89

My point is that even if Darren Dein was Wilshere's agent (which as far as I know he is not, Wilshere is with Base Soccer, not Darren Dein's agency) and Wilshere went to Man Utd, why would Darren Dein be to blame?

If Arsenal were winning trophies Wilshere would likely only think about leaving to go to an overseas club.
But in our current condition, I would not blame a player if they had given a lot to the club and then wanted out.
In Wilshere's case he has a lot still to give though.