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DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
Yep. I wont slag off Arteta just cause I prefer Flamini as our DM. I love Arteta
Similarly, I wont slag of Vermalen cause I prefer Kos alongside BFG.
We're just gonna have to get used to having good players on the bench again like maybe Jack, Arteta/Flamini, Vermalen, Rosicky, Poldi, Ox, Flappy
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
Yep. I wont slag off Arteta just cause I prefer Flamini as our DM. I love Arteta
Similarly, I wont slag of Vermalen cause I prefer Kos alongside BFG.
We're just gonna have to get used to having good players on the bench again like maybe Jack, Arteta/Flamini, Vermalen, Rosicky, Poldi, Ox, Flappy
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
Yep. I wont slag off Arteta just cause I prefer Flamini as our DM. I love Arteta
Similarly, I wont slag of Vermalen cause I prefer Kos alongside BFG.
We're just gonna have to get used to having good players on the bench again like maybe Jack, Arteta/Flamini, Vermalen, Rosicky, Poldi, Ox, Flappy
Oh armchair, you crack me up you really do.
Yea I wondered who'd spot that. For the record I think Flappy is quite shit actually.
DB10 I just don't see their roles as the same. Flamini contributes next to nothing in possession and doesn't really look to get on the ball unless it's a last resort/only option (which is absolutely fine by me btw) but I don't for a minute believe that Wenger would sign Arteta and then tell him or even let him go out and do that.
I'm not Flamini's biggest fan on a personal level but I know what a key player he was for us in 2007/08 and I hope as much as anybody that he can hit those heights again. But I just think some of the praise of his performances has been wildly exaggerated. His return has coincided with a good run of form and it has probably helped us to some degree but just about every game on here he gets declared as MOTM by several posters - and when I pointed out in response to a post suggesting his performance against Swansea was immense and near faultless that actually he made rash decisions and ended up getting skinned twice and also misplaced far too many passes in and around our half I got an angry and pretty irrational response.
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
I like arteta and will argue that he has been our best and most important players since the day he signed - however it needs to be said that my respect for him plays absolutely no part in my dislike for flamoney.
It also needs to be said (and I aint digging at you when I says this DB10) that it never ceases to amaze me how fickle some football fans are nowdays and how lacking in principle they seem to be Everybody complains about the wealth and greed that has corrupted our game but it seems that we are will to accept these traits in a man once he is wearing our shirt Flamoney embodies everything that is wrong with our game.......all about the money, no loyalty to any club and no ambition to move to another club when his career is wasting away on the Milan bench Yes I know that there are far worse examples of greed in the game but that shouldn't take away from the fact that he is another example of those traits. I kinda challenged those flamoney disciples to explain to me the difference between what happened with him and what happened with the chav judas c*** and whether they would welcome him back in the morning if we had no decent left full - needless to say nobody commented either way on the question
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
I like arteta and will argue that he has been our best and most important players since the day he signed - however it needs to be said that my respect for him plays absolutely no part in my dislike for flamoney.
It also needs to be said (and I aint digging at you when I says this DB10) that it never ceases to amaze me how fickle some football fans are nowdays and how lacking in principle they seem to be Everybody complains about the wealth and greed that has corrupted our game but it seems that we are will to accept these traits in a man once he is wearing our shirt Flamoney embodies everything that is wrong with our game.......all about the money, no loyalty to any club and no ambition to move to another club when his career is wasting away on the Milan bench Yes I know that there are far worse examples of greed in the game but that shouldn't take away from the fact that he is another example of those traits. I kinda challenged those flamoney disciples to explain to me the difference between what happened with him and what happened with the chav judas c*** and whether they would welcome him back in the morning if we had no decent left full - needless to say nobody commented either way on the question
Look no further than those currently hero worshipping our 1 season (and 4 game) wonder who totally understand his reasons for wanting to be an AC Milan reserve, who will in equal measure declare Van Persie a *word censored* for finally at 29 years old and over 100 goals for the club chipping off to retain the golden boot and win a PL medal in his first season away from the club
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
I like arteta and will argue that he has been our best and most important players since the day he signed - however it needs to be said that my respect for him plays absolutely no part in my dislike for flamoney.
It also needs to be said (and I aint digging at you when I says this DB10) that it never ceases to amaze me how fickle some football fans are nowdays and how lacking in principle they seem to be Everybody complains about the wealth and greed that has corrupted our game but it seems that we are will to accept these traits in a man once he is wearing our shirt Flamoney embodies everything that is wrong with our game.......all about the money, no loyalty to any club and no ambition to move to another club when his career is wasting away on the Milan bench Yes I know that there are far worse examples of greed in the game but that shouldn't take away from the fact that he is another example of those traits. I kinda challenged those flamoney disciples to explain to me the difference between what happened with him and what happened with the chav judas c*** and whether they would welcome him back in the morning if we had no decent left full - needless to say nobody commented either way on the question
Look no further than those currently hero worshipping our 1 season (and 4 game) wonder who totally understand his reasons for wanting to be an AC Milan reserve, who will in equal measure declare Van Persie a *word censored* for finally at 29 years old and over 100 goals for the club chipping off to retain the golden boot and win a PL medal in his first season away from the club
Hero Flamini, *word censored* RvP ?
Flamini didn't leave for a hated domestic rival and didn't release a patronising "I'll always be a gunner" shitcunt statement while he was doing it
augie wrote:I kinda challenged those flamoney disciples to explain to me the difference between what happened with him and what happened with the chav judas c*** and whether they would welcome him back in the morning if we had no decent left full - needless to say nobody commented either way on the question
As far as I remember Augie, we didn't have to put up with the pathetic "£55k p/w? I nearly swerved my Bentley off the road" from Flamini.
I've put aside my dislke of Flamini's departure as he was, I think we pretty much all agree, a pretty average player for us on the whole. Plus we had decent options in his position at the time, options that we now don't have, so the pragmatic short memoried side of me is glad we have him as a squad option.
Ashley Cole though? Well there aren't enough insults and swears in all of the World's languages combined to describe that little twerp.
DB10GOONER wrote:I find it strange sometimes the way people have their favorite players and take a dislike to other players that threaten their hero's place.
If the player in question hasn't insulted or offended The Arsenal or aren't a total scumbag then I really don't care who they are if they do the job. I personally prefer Arteta to Flamoney but if Flamoney puts in the performances and does a good job then keep him in there and let Arteta earn a recall. For me it's about the best option for Arsenal - I don't care if a fans' favourite is dropped or whatever.
Similarly I want Wenger gone because he has let Arsenal down for 9 years of continuous failure with his repetition of the same mistakes year after year after year. I don't hate him, I love him in fact for all he did achieve before he lost the plot, but I want him replaced for the good of Arsenal. But if he wins the PL this season? Then fuck yeah give him another year. I have no problem with that. Simply don't care who (again, within reason) wins us trophies once they win us trophies.
But I know in my heart of hearts he will let us down by refusing to strengthen in January so it's a bit of a non-issue really and thus I want him gone.
I like arteta and will argue that he has been our best and most important players since the day he signed - however it needs to be said that my respect for him plays absolutely no part in my dislike for flamoney.
It also needs to be said (and I aint digging at you when I says this DB10) that it never ceases to amaze me how fickle some football fans are nowdays and how lacking in principle they seem to be Everybody complains about the wealth and greed that has corrupted our game but it seems that we are will to accept these traits in a man once he is wearing our shirt Flamoney embodies everything that is wrong with our game.......all about the money, no loyalty to any club and no ambition to move to another club when his career is wasting away on the Milan bench Yes I know that there are far worse examples of greed in the game but that shouldn't take away from the fact that he is another example of those traits. I kinda challenged those flamoney disciples to explain to me the difference between what happened with him and what happened with the chav judas c*** and whether they would welcome him back in the morning if we had no decent left full - needless to say nobody commented either way on the question
Look no further than those currently hero worshipping our 1 season (and 4 game) wonder who totally understand his reasons for wanting to be an AC Milan reserve, who will in equal measure declare Van Persie a *word censored* for finally at 29 years old and over 100 goals for the club chipping off to retain the golden boot and win a PL medal in his first season away from the club
Hero Flamini, *word censored* RvP ?
Flamini didn't leave for a hated domestic rival and didn't release a patronising "I'll always be a gunner" shitcunt statement while he was doing it
Ahhh, so to run down your contract and join a foreign team for nothing is fine, but to be sold to a domestic rival for £24m after singlehandedly propelling you into the CL makes you a *word censored*? I get it now. That's the argument done
Wasn't it our Marseille Mercenary who a few years ago declared that Milan was the club of his dreams before announcing how he felt delighted to be back here for "unfinished business" only to declare how he'd end up back at Marseille before he's done
You nasty mercenary Robin. Make way for Mr Arsenal himself, Mr Flamini - perhaps Tony Adams nickname is now under threat after the return of this club diehard and legend
SteveO 35 wrote:
Ahhh, so to run down your contract and join a foreign team for nothing is fine, but to be sold to a domestic rival for £24m after singlehandedly propelling you into the CL makes you a *word censored*? I get it now. That's the argument done
Wasn't it our Marseille Mercenary who a few years ago declared that Milan was the club of his dreams before announcing how he felt delighted to be back here for "unfinished business" only to declare how he'd end up back at Marseille before he's done
You nasty mercenary Robin. Make way for Mr Arsenal himself, Mr Flamini - perhaps Tony Adams nickname is now under threat after the return of this club diehard and legend
It was the club that didn't offer him a new contract until he was in his final year, I don't blame him for not dancing to the board/wenger's tune when they finally decided he was worth keeping. As others have said, it's not as if he left for a anzhi makchakakakalaa type club where he could count his bank notes in some footballing backwater.
Besides, for a player you think is shit you seem to resent him for leaving the club. He has always given 100% in an Arsenal shirt, as far as I'm aware he has never slagged off the club so while I wouldn't say he's a player I "hero worship" I certainly don't understand the hate.
SteveO 35 wrote:
Ahhh, so to run down your contract and join a foreign team for nothing is fine, but to be sold to a domestic rival for £24m after singlehandedly propelling you into the CL makes you a *word censored*? I get it now. That's the argument done
Wasn't it our Marseille Mercenary who a few years ago declared that Milan was the club of his dreams before announcing how he felt delighted to be back here for "unfinished business" only to declare how he'd end up back at Marseille before he's done
You nasty mercenary Robin. Make way for Mr Arsenal himself, Mr Flamini - perhaps Tony Adams nickname is now under threat after the return of this club diehard and legend
It was the club that didn't offer him a new contract until he was in his final year, I don't blame him for not dancing to the board/wenger's tune when they finally decided he was worth keeping. As others have said, it's not as if he left for a anzhi makchakakakalaa type club where he could count his bank notes in some footballing backwater.
Besides, for a player you think is shit you seem to resent him for leaving the club. He has always given 100% in an Arsenal shirt, as far as I'm aware he has never slagged off the club so while I wouldn't say he's a player I "hero worship" I certainly don't understand the hate.
Maybe I haven't been explaining myself properly - my dislike of him isn't cos he left us, isn't cos he left us for more money or cos he ran down his contract before departing.......my dislike of the guy is because he left us to go to a club where he was never going to be anything other than a bench warmer If he had of joined a club like anzi where he was going to make twice the amount Milan were paying him BUT was going to be a regular starter for them then I would have zero probs with him going cos I don't think that he was all that in the first place - fact is that, from a work challenging point of view, sitting on a Milan bench doesn't require much motivation
g88ner wrote:Not sure what all the fuss is about. Neither RVP nor Flamini did anything wrong. Move on.
Amen brother. You'll not hear me say a bad word about either of them.
Flamini is exactly the type of player we needed in the DM position. I like a player who is prepared to kick the opposition. Sure he'll probably pick up a few yellows but thats the nature of this type of player. A bit of steel, thats what we needed. Thats what Flamini brings.
I also cant help wondering if Flaminis presence is allowing Ramsey to lose his inhibitions going forward and play with "the handbrake off"
Everybody complains about the wealth and greed that has corrupted our game but it seems that we are will to accept these traits in a man once he is wearing our shirt 
Flamoney embodies everything that is wrong with our game.......all about the money, no loyalty to any club and no ambition to move to another club when his career is wasting away on the Milan bench 
Yes I know that there are far worse examples of greed in the game but that shouldn't take away from the fact that he is another example of those traits. I kinda challenged those flamoney disciples to explain to me the difference between what happened with him and what happened with the chav judas c*** and whether they would welcome him back in the morning if we had no decent left full - needless to say nobody commented either way on the question 
