BOULDY THE NEW PAT RICE??

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burns718
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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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Kos would make an excellent sweeper i think, read game well and has he pace to cover up any mistakes that the others make

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I Hate Hleb wrote:

Have often thought that perhaps we should use 3 centre-backs (with one playing the 'sweeper' role behind the other 2, as opposed to a tradition DM in front of them), and 2 wing backs as it might make up for Wenger's refusal to strengthen the obvious defensive weakness at left back and play more to the strengths of the other defenders available. The only thing that stopped me suggesting it was the realisation that it would only take an injury to one of them to bring Djourou into the team. :shock: :worried: :banghead: :lol: At least with a back four it would need at least 2 of the centre halves to be injured before that clown got a place back in the side. 8) :lol: :lol: :wink:

I suggested a 3-5-2 formation a long time ago - it isnt that I am some geek that puts too much emphasis on systems/formations but I just feel that the system we use should suit the players we have available as opposed to the current policy of putting players in wrong positions just to suit the CIC's shite formation :roll: I have never been happy with the idea of playing 1 up front and this system would (probably) see podolski moved up top alongside giroud leaving cazorla to float around behind them which would suit all parties 8)
My only concern with be the impact it would have on sagna - imo he is the best right back around but I dont think that wing back would suit him. Personally I would play him as the right sided centre back but in wengerland fcuk knows where he would be played :roll:

Anyway this is most likely a moot discussion - wenger has shown that he hasnt a scooby doo when it comes to tactics and flexibility is not something in his mindset

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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burns718 wrote:Kos would make an excellent sweeper i think, read game well and has he pace to cover up any mistakes that the others make
And who will cover his mistakes?.He has been poor this season

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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Answer to the thread title : No

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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donaldo wrote:
burns718 wrote:Kos would make an excellent sweeper i think, read game well and has he pace to cover up any mistakes that the others make
And who will cover his mistakes?.He has been poor this season

hes not had the game time this season the others have had, hes a confidence player aswell, so needs a few games to get on form! looks better along side bfg than verm

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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Apparently "le prof" allowed Bouldy to give the players a dressing down after the Swansea Game .
Complete cop out from Wenger who again shows his lack of spine when dealing with his players .

Why would they listen to Bouldy though when they already know that the defensive structure Bouldy was trying to create has been shredded by Wenger who insisted on the return of the Zonal marking fiasco !

Wenger wants us to stick together and show our mental strength but doesn't seem to realise even now that you will not solve an old problem unless you devise a new way of solving it !

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Long overdue for some tea cup throwing in the dressing room. Wenger should have done it himself long ago. Unfortunately he seems to keep all the anxiety in and that why he looks like a tortured soul.

I suspect one of the problems is that Wenger seems to sign well behaved, passive players and wraps them in cotton wool.
This manifests itself with a lack of spine and leadership on the pitch. Wilshere has a bit of attitude and could be a future Captain, but too young.

If he is signing Henry again we might as well get Petit and Viera back too.

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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Glitch33 wrote:Long overdue for some tea cup throwing in the dressing room. Wenger should have done it himself long ago. Unfortunately he seems to keep all the anxiety in and that why he looks like a tortured soul.

I suspect one of the problems is that Wenger seems to sign well behaved, passive players and wraps them in cotton wool.
This manifests itself with a lack of spine and leadership on the pitch. Wilshere has a bit of attitude and could be a future Captain, but too young.

If he is signing Henry again we might as well get Petit and Viera back too.


There is no if mate cos he will sign henry in a bid to get the fans back onside and what is worse is that it will probably work for many of the braindead sheep in the bowl :roll: :oops: :oops:

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There's no doubt in my mind that the early games in the season saw a big shift in the way we defended. Sick of watching us roll over at the Britannia year after year, we went there and defended like I've never seen before. Mertesacker produced his best game in the shirt and we looked incredibly well drilled at set pieces - both for and against.

Where has that gone and why has it gone? Is it really Wenger over-ruling Bould? Or are the players simply incapable of maintaining what they started?

After years of watching pathetic set pieces at both ends we'd really sorted out that part of our game - but in the last few weeks I've been watching Walcott take corners that can't clear shin height of the first defender and crapping myself every time the other team has a corner. Its almost as if the start of the season didn't happen.

Puzzling to say the least

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Steve I know for a fact that Wenger over ruled Bould on set piece defending ,and it led to a very heated row .
They now hardly speak to each other .
Bouldy now has a dilema he either quits or hangs in and tries to change things as the pressure mounts on the Prof .

The problem is Wenger will not change ,he will continue down the same road regardless,unless he changes and he wont we will continue to fail.

People long ago realised how to play us and now more and more teams are finding it easy particularly at home where we go forward so much !

This is painful to watch but as I've said you cannot solve an old problem by using the old mindset ,you solve it by looking at it fresh and from another perspective !

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Herd wrote:Steve I know for a fact that Wenger over ruled Bould on set piece defending ,and it led to a very heated row .
They now hardly speak to each other .
Bouldy now has a dilema he either quits or hangs in and tries to change things as the pressure mounts on the Prof .

The problem is Wenger will not change ,he will continue down the same road regardless,unless he changes and he wont we will continue to fail.

People long ago realised how to play us and now more and more teams are finding it easy particularly at home where we go forward so much !

This is painful to watch but as I've said you cannot solve an old problem by using the old mindset ,you solve it by looking at it fresh and from another perspective !
I'm not sure how you know its a fact mate, but I'm willing to accept that it is based on the hard evidence in front of my very eyes. I have never seen a team change its shape defensively so dramatically in the space of a few weeks, so there has to be some sort of logical explanation as to why and therefore you're probably right in what you say.

If that is the case then please tell me what it is Wenger expects of an assistant manager. People used to slate Pat Rice and label him as little more than Wenger's lapdog - something I never wanted to believe, but if this episode with Bould is true then it would appear that's exactly what Wenger wants in an assistant.

If there really is a stand off between manager and assistant on that level then it can't be healthy for the playing squad and must be completely obvious to them.

What next for Bouldy?

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Herd wrote:Steve I know for a fact that Wenger over ruled Bould on set piece defending ,and it led to a very heated row .
They now hardly speak to each other .
Bouldy now has a dilema he either quits or hangs in and tries to change things as the pressure mounts on the Prof .

The problem is Wenger will not change ,he will continue down the same road regardless,unless he changes and he wont we will continue to fail.

People long ago realised how to play us and now more and more teams are finding it easy particularly at home where we go forward so much !

This is painful to watch but as I've said you cannot solve an old problem by using the old mindset ,you solve it by looking at it fresh and from another perspective !
I'm not sure how you know its a fact mate,
Must be true - bloke on internet forum said it! :barscarf: :lol: :wink:

But TBH, it wouldn't surprise me if it was true... :( :|

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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Herd wrote:Steve I know for a fact that Wenger over ruled Bould on set piece defending ,and it led to a very heated row .
T

Wenger is a stubborn egotistical ****, this comes as no surprise to me! Couldn't bear someone fixing his glaring errors and getting his credit!

When will this incompetent fool have the decency to walk away and give us our club back? :banghead:


Bouldy will walk during the season or at the end. Wenger will use Bould as a scapegoat for us failing to get the virtual trophy.

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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Glitch33 wrote:Long overdue for some tea cup throwing in the dressing room. Wenger should have done it himself long ago. Unfortunately he seems to keep all the anxiety in and that why he looks like a tortured soul.

I suspect one of the problems is that Wenger seems to sign well behaved, passive players and wraps them in cotton wool.
This manifests itself with a lack of spine and leadership on the pitch. Wilshere has a bit of attitude and could be a future Captain, but too young. If he is signing Henry again we might as well get Petit and Viera back too.

If Jack has any sense, he'll be gone within the next two seasons

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Re: Steve Bould: Will it work?

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Answer to the thread title...... No it won't 8)

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