As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
northbank123 wrote:Imo club employees do not deserve a ticket unless they carry out a role that means they can't attend games. And then it should be 1 or 2 max. The story about getting a ticket from PHW's bank manager doesn't particularly surprise me. It's bad enough that the bloke took a £75,000 year salary to do fuck all without greedily pilfering season tickets.
Not quite sure what you mean here. If an employee is a season ticket holder and has fulfilled the criteria laid down by the club of course they deserve tickets.
Most companies give employees additional perks such as pensions, life insurance etc. I am sure that Arsenal may offer their employees access to tickets as a perk of the job. As long as these perks aren't abused ie the tickets end up on the black market (which should be a sackable offence) then I dont have a problem with it. Anyway, I doubt there are many well paid jobs behind the scenes at the club.
Its just when the club start dishing out tickets to anyone loosely connected and all of a suddern 1-2000 tickets go missing is when I have an issue.
Must have accidentally deleted the part where I said ".... otherwise they can buy a season ticket and qualify like the rest of us". My point is that if an employee of the club can still attend home games but chooses not to buy a season ticket, they don't deserve to get priority for finals.
And if the club say part of your employment contract is that you will get 1 or 2 tickets for any finals we get into, what's wrong with that? Some employees may not be in a position to afford season tickets.
As I said most jobs at arsenal will be low paid shit jobs, where the employees have to deal with difficult supporters.
The issues arise when the tickets end up on the black market, then and only then should an employee feel the heat.
nut flush gooner wrote:I know touts are the scum of the earth, but does anyone have any good experiences to report for previous big arsenal games at wembley?
As I have already said, its a 50/50 shot for me and mates. Either 0,1,2 or 3 (unlikely I know) of us will get tickets. But I still want to go and have a budget of up to £400 preferably for club level. I wouldn't pay more than £250-£270 for any other tickets.
nut flush gooner wrote:And if the club say part of your employment contract is that you will get 1 or 2 tickets for any finals we get into, what's wrong with that? Some employees may not be in a position to afford season tickets.
As I said most jobs at arsenal will be low paid shit jobs, where the employees have to deal with difficult supporters.
The issues arise when the tickets end up on the black market, then and only then should an employee feel the heat.
I'm lucky enough to get a few perks in my job - discounted mortgage, free healthcare, pension... But me getting them doesn't mean someone else doesn't. No problem at all with Arsenal offering discounted tickets as a perk, or free stadium tours. Even let them travel on the team bus or give them exclusive access to players at events... But if there are a very limited number of tickets available for a game then this is something that should not be offered as a perk. Especially as I suspect that a good proportion of our staff - especially those working behind the scenes on match days - don't even support Arsenal.
I'm lucky enough to be guaranteed a ticket for the cup final this time around. But I did miss out on the CL final and, as you probably recall, it came around at the same time as season tickets became available at our new stadium. I would have killed for a ticket for Paris, yet the guy who sold me my season tickets told me that he was getting two tickets for the final...and wasn't even a gooner!
nut flush gooner wrote:And if the club say part of your employment contract is that you will get 1 or 2 tickets for any finals we get into, what's wrong with that? Some employees may not be in a position to afford season tickets.
As I said most jobs at arsenal will be low paid shit jobs, where the employees have to deal with difficult supporters.
The issues arise when the tickets end up on the black market, then and only then should an employee feel the heat.
I'm lucky enough to get a few perks in my job - discounted mortgage, free healthcare, pension... But me getting them doesn't mean someone else doesn't. No problem at all with Arsenal offering discounted tickets as a perk, or free stadium tours. Even let them travel on the team bus or give them exclusive access to players at events... But if there are a very limited number of tickets available for a game then this is something that should not be offered as a perk. Especially as I suspect that a good proportion of our staff - especially those working behind the scenes on match days - don't even support Arsenal.
I'm lucky enough to be guaranteed a ticket for the cup final this time around. But I did miss out on the CL final and, as you probably recall, it came around at the same time as season tickets became available at our new stadium. I would have killed for a ticket for Paris, yet the guy who sold me my season tickets told me that he was getting two tickets for the final...and wasn't even a gooner!
Yeah the CL was a joke for allocation, there where tons of rumours that the club held back thousands of tickets to look after the inner circle. I wont mind missing this game, but I am lucky to have the cash ready if needs be to secure a seat only thing is mates wont be prepared to spend what I am. Just have to win that ballot!
No fucking way am I going to the emirates to watch it mind and pay for their shit food and beer. I would rather go to wembley and find a bar to soak up the atmopshere.
northbank123 wrote:Imo club employees do not deserve a ticket unless they carry out a role that means they can't attend games. And then it should be 1 or 2 max. The story about getting a ticket from PHW's bank manager doesn't particularly surprise me. It's bad enough that the bloke took a £75,000 year salary to do fuck all without greedily pilfering season tickets.
Not quite sure what you mean here. If an employee is a season ticket holder and has fulfilled the criteria laid down by the club of course they deserve tickets.
Most companies give employees additional perks such as pensions, life insurance etc. I am sure that Arsenal may offer their employees access to tickets as a perk of the job. As long as these perks aren't abused ie the tickets end up on the black market (which should be a sackable offence) then I dont have a problem with it. Anyway, I doubt there are many well paid jobs behind the scenes at the club.
Its just when the club start dishing out tickets to anyone loosely connected and all of a suddern 1-2000 tickets go missing is when I have an issue.
Must have accidentally deleted the part where I said ".... otherwise they can buy a season ticket and qualify like the rest of us". My point is that if an employee of the club can still attend home games but chooses not to buy a season ticket, they don't deserve to get priority for finals.
And if the club say part of your employment contract is that you will get 1 or 2 tickets for any finals we get into, what's wrong with that? Some employees may not be in a position to afford season tickets.
As I said most jobs at arsenal will be low paid shit jobs, where the employees have to deal with difficult supporters.
The issues arise when the tickets end up on the black market, then and only then should an employee feel the heat.
Same as thousands and thousands of other Gooners then. When I go with my Dad we sit in the upper tier and we are surrounded by plenty of people that are clueless, passionless, disinterested but able to afford it. The people that attend the games and get tickets to the cup final are those who can either afford it comfortably or somehow manage to find a way to afford it, not necessarily those who are the biggest fans or care the most.
I'm not saying the club shouldn't honour promises to employees, I'm saying they shouldn't make promises like that in the first place. If a 9-5 employee at the club doesn't want to buy a season ticket going to the games why do they deserve a final ticket above any other Gooners?
Personally it doesn't affect me, I don't have a season ticket and fully accept that even if our allocation was 40,000 I wouldn't be entitled to one in my own standing. But the way I see it is that giving tickets to employees (many of whom probably aren't even real Arsenal fans) deprives them from hundreds of fans who have spent a small fortune watching the club over the last few years. As I said, if the nature of their employment means that they have to work during game times then that is slightly different (not that I'm advocating giving tickets to everyone working on the food outlets!). But if somebody works for the club but can't be arsed buying a season ticket? Don't deserve a final ticket imo.
northbank123 wrote:Imo club employees do not deserve a ticket unless they carry out a role that means they can't attend games. And then it should be 1 or 2 max. The story about getting a ticket from PHW's bank manager doesn't particularly surprise me. It's bad enough that the bloke took a £75,000 year salary to do fuck all without greedily pilfering season tickets.
Not quite sure what you mean here. If an employee is a season ticket holder and has fulfilled the criteria laid down by the club of course they deserve tickets.
Most companies give employees additional perks such as pensions, life insurance etc. I am sure that Arsenal may offer their employees access to tickets as a perk of the job. As long as these perks aren't abused ie the tickets end up on the black market (which should be a sackable offence) then I dont have a problem with it. Anyway, I doubt there are many well paid jobs behind the scenes at the club.
Its just when the club start dishing out tickets to anyone loosely connected and all of a suddern 1-2000 tickets go missing is when I have an issue.
Must have accidentally deleted the part where I said ".... otherwise they can buy a season ticket and qualify like the rest of us". My point is that if an employee of the club can still attend home games but chooses not to buy a season ticket, they don't deserve to get priority for finals.
And if the club say part of your employment contract is that you will get 1 or 2 tickets for any finals we get into, what's wrong with that? Some employees may not be in a position to afford season tickets.
As I said most jobs at arsenal will be low paid shit jobs, where the employees have to deal with difficult supporters.
The issues arise when the tickets end up on the black market, then and only then should an employee feel the heat.
Same as thousands and thousands of other Gooners then. When I go with my Dad we sit in the upper tier and we are surrounded by plenty of people that are clueless, passionless, disinterested but able to afford it. The people that attend the games and get tickets to the cup final are those who can either afford it comfortably or somehow manage to find a way to afford it, not necessarily those who are the biggest fans or care the most.
I'm not saying the club shouldn't honour promises to employees, I'm saying they shouldn't make promises like that in the first place. If a 9-5 employee at the club doesn't want to buy a season ticket going to the games why do they deserve a final ticket above any other Gooners?
Personally it doesn't affect me, I don't have a season ticket and fully accept that even if our allocation was 40,000 I wouldn't be entitled to one in my own standing. But the way I see it is that giving tickets to employees (many of whom probably aren't even real Arsenal fans) deprives them from hundreds of fans who have spent a small fortune watching the club over the last few years. As I said, if the nature of their employment means that they have to work during game times then that is slightly different (not that I'm advocating giving tickets to everyone working on the food outlets!). But if somebody works for the club but doesn't want to buy a season ticket? Don't deserve a final ticket imo.
SPARKSY wrote:I know we all have a go about how the club is run these days but in the case of Cup Final tickets I don't think Arsenal are the problem at all. They are never going to please everyone but the way they are planning it is just about right.
Those who go to most games ie ST holders and those who travel, get priority.
The real problem is the FA and the corporate hangers on who only go to these big events. (ditto CL Final)
If you think back to the days when it was first come first served (ie Cup Winners Final of 94), then that is completely unfair as people like me and my mates missed out then, even though we travelled home and away regularly (had to buy off of touts at big money).
Same thing when it was collecting coupons off the back of the programmes for the finals of the late 70s and fans just used to buy the progarmmes and not bother going in (i was too young then so it didn't matter to me!).
I think the way the club dish them out is as fair as they can do it. Yes i will get a ticket but then i'm a ST holder and travel around the country as well. However i have also missed out in the past.
Spot on that mate, People who are willing to go away and watch them should get priority over people who only wanna go watch them at the Emirates
SPARKSY wrote:I know we all have a go about how the club is run these days but in the case of Cup Final tickets I don't think Arsenal are the problem at all. They are never going to please everyone but the way they are planning it is just about right.
Those who go to most games ie ST holders and those who travel, get priority.
The real problem is the FA and the corporate hangers on who only go to these big events. (ditto CL Final)
If you think back to the days when it was first come first served (ie Cup Winners Final of 94), then that is completely unfair as people like me and my mates missed out then, even though we travelled home and away regularly (had to buy off of touts at big money).
Same thing when it was collecting coupons off the back of the programmes for the finals of the late 70s and fans just used to buy the progarmmes and not bother going in (i was too young then so it didn't matter to me!).
I think the way the club dish them out is as fair as they can do it. Yes i will get a ticket but then i'm a ST holder and travel around the country as well. However i have also missed out in the past.
Spot on that mate, People who are willing to go away and watch them should get priority over people who only wanna go watch them at the Emirates
Not sure i agree to be honest fella, why should someone who has been to go see 5 even 10 games away have more right to go than someone who has paid upfront and been to 15 (even 25 games with cups) at home?
The system has been in place for a while and like i said before, i wanted a season ticket for years so i could be included in semis and finals. It didn't happen overnight, i waited a long time and if arsenal and changed the system for this years final after waiting for so long to be line for a cup final ticket, believe me i would be very pissed off.
There isn't a lot of perks for having a season ticket at arsenal these days, as a red member you can get any ticket you want at home and also if your clever you can slowly build up a decent amount of away credits to get some decent away trips.
We have a lot of fans and whatever the allocation there will always be fans who deserve to be at the game who miss out, thats nothing new and that will never change sadly.
SPARKSY wrote:I know we all have a go about how the club is run these days but in the case of Cup Final tickets I don't think Arsenal are the problem at all. They are never going to please everyone but the way they are planning it is just about right.
Those who go to most games ie ST holders and those who travel, get priority.
The real problem is the FA and the corporate hangers on who only go to these big events. (ditto CL Final)
If you think back to the days when it was first come first served (ie Cup Winners Final of 94), then that is completely unfair as people like me and my mates missed out then, even though we travelled home and away regularly (had to buy off of touts at big money).
Same thing when it was collecting coupons off the back of the programmes for the finals of the late 70s and fans just used to buy the progarmmes and not bother going in (i was too young then so it didn't matter to me!).
I think the way the club dish them out is as fair as they can do it. Yes i will get a ticket but then i'm a ST holder and travel around the country as well. However i have also missed out in the past.
Spot on that mate, People who are willing to go away and watch them should get priority over people who only wanna go watch them at the Emirates
Not sure i agree to be honest fella, why should someone who has been to go see 5 even 10 games away have more right to go than someone who has paid upfront and been to 15 (even 25 games with cups) at home?
The system has been in place for a while and like i said before, i wanted a season ticket for years so i could be included in semis and finals. It didn't happen overnight, i waited a long time and if arsenal and changed the system for this years final after waiting for so long to be line for a cup final ticket, believe me i would be very pissed off.
There isn't a lot of perks for having a season ticket at arsenal these days, as a red member you can get any ticket you want at home and also if your clever you can slowly build up a decent amount of away credits to get some decent away trips.
We have a lot of fans and whatever the allocation there will always be fans who deserve to be at the game who miss out, thats nothing new and that will never change sadly.
The problem as I see it is how to distinguish between season ticket holders since we have more ST holders then tickets at Wembley. Personally I would do it based on attendances home & away in the relevant cup competition although I understand why away credits in general are used. A season ticket should however be a necessity to get first priority and I say this as a red member with zero chance of getting a ticket unless I cough up to a tout.
SPARKSY wrote:I know we all have a go about how the club is run these days but in the case of Cup Final tickets I don't think Arsenal are the problem at all. They are never going to please everyone but the way they are planning it is just about right.
Those who go to most games ie ST holders and those who travel, get priority.
The real problem is the FA and the corporate hangers on who only go to these big events. (ditto CL Final)
If you think back to the days when it was first come first served (ie Cup Winners Final of 94), then that is completely unfair as people like me and my mates missed out then, even though we travelled home and away regularly (had to buy off of touts at big money).
Same thing when it was collecting coupons off the back of the programmes for the finals of the late 70s and fans just used to buy the progarmmes and not bother going in (i was too young then so it didn't matter to me!).
I think the way the club dish them out is as fair as they can do it. Yes i will get a ticket but then i'm a ST holder and travel around the country as well. However i have also missed out in the past.
Spot on that mate, People who are willing to go away and watch them should get priority over people who only wanna go watch them at the Emirates
Not sure i agree to be honest fella, why should someone who has been to go see 5 even 10 games away have more right to go than someone who has paid upfront and been to 15 (even 25 games with cups) at home?
The system has been in place for a while and like i said before, i wanted a season ticket for years so i could be included in semis and finals. It didn't happen overnight, i waited a long time and if arsenal and changed the system for this years final after waiting for so long to be line for a cup final ticket, believe me i would be very pissed off.
There isn't a lot of perks for having a season ticket at arsenal these days, as a red member you can get any ticket you want at home and also if your clever you can slowly build up a decent amount of away credits to get some decent away trips.
We have a lot of fans and whatever the allocation there will always be fans who deserve to be at the game who miss out, thats nothing new and that will never change sadly.
Did you make it to the Globe last week?
Yes mate, was there early doors then went to the green man. Think I'll be heading to the green man for the final
SPARKSY wrote:I know we all have a go about how the club is run these days but in the case of Cup Final tickets I don't think Arsenal are the problem at all. They are never going to please everyone but the way they are planning it is just about right.
Those who go to most games ie ST holders and those who travel, get priority.
The real problem is the FA and the corporate hangers on who only go to these big events. (ditto CL Final)
If you think back to the days when it was first come first served (ie Cup Winners Final of 94), then that is completely unfair as people like me and my mates missed out then, even though we travelled home and away regularly (had to buy off of touts at big money).
Same thing when it was collecting coupons off the back of the programmes for the finals of the late 70s and fans just used to buy the progarmmes and not bother going in (i was too young then so it didn't matter to me!).
I think the way the club dish them out is as fair as they can do it. Yes i will get a ticket but then i'm a ST holder and travel around the country as well. However i have also missed out in the past.
Spot on that mate, People who are willing to go away and watch them should get priority over people who only wanna go watch them at the Emirates
Not sure i agree to be honest fella, why should someone who has been to go see 5 even 10 games away have more right to go than someone who has paid upfront and been to 15 (even 25 games with cups) at home?
The system has been in place for a while and like i said before, i wanted a season ticket for years so i could be included in semis and finals. It didn't happen overnight, i waited a long time and if arsenal and changed the system for this years final after waiting for so long to be line for a cup final ticket, believe me i would be very pissed off.
There isn't a lot of perks for having a season ticket at arsenal these days, as a red member you can get any ticket you want at home and also if your clever you can slowly build up a decent amount of away credits to get some decent away trips.
We have a lot of fans and whatever the allocation there will always be fans who deserve to be at the game who miss out, thats nothing new and that will never change sadly.
Did you make it to the Globe last week?
Yes mate, was there early doors then went to the green man. Think I'll be heading to the green man for the final
'Ive seen some green man vids on you tube and have to say it looked like the gooners wrecked the joint. They where stamping on something that looked like it collapsed and where also lighting flares.
I don't mind having a beer and a sing song, but the green man looked like it was full of kids who cant handle their beer !
Not sure how you found the upper tier block we where in but it was rocking upstairs. Nearly kicked off in front of me!
MK Gould wrote:Anyone know which section(s) Red Action have been allocated for the final?
Also - are we in the same end as for the semi?
It is unlikely there will be a specific section this time - have had a look on .com to see if we have the same end, and cannot see it mentioned anywhere? If it is, then REDaction will be promoting blocks 131 & 132 again anyway, but with no help from the club this time.
