The Banner

[UTU]

Top Effort SWL

Many Old School Arsenal fans respect what Wenger has achieved for The Arsenal but he has been in the job too long and gone along with our corporate board who are only interested in making money.

I like Wenger and he is acting in the best interests of the club as he see's it but the results on the pitch says it all. We have a team who can not defend and have not bottle/fighting spirit.

Wenger has to go along with the current Arsenal Board

[g88ner]

He lives in Brazil, that's a fact not a racial slur, he shouldn't be stiring those up from the other side of the world, granted he has every right to be unhappy like everyone but he can't embaress us from over there (embaress us is my opinion off course) stirring others up who can is not cool even if it looks it.

I've read the thread (yes, all of it ) and BG didn't need to embarrass you from the other side of the world, as you were doing that quite successfully all by yourself, mate.

As Tony said, it's very frustrating how easily things get out of hand and people seem incapable of making a point without getting nasty and offensive.

At least you partly apologised, even if alcohol is a lame excuse (if alcohol makes you argumentative and abusive, then don't drink it! - it's a lesson ****"y couldn't learn either, sadly beer is amazing stuff... sadly, people who can't handle it and don't know their limits give it a bad name )

Anyway, you don't need to apologise to BG for the Salsa remark... it's fucking Cuban/Spanish isn't it? - Brazil is Samba mate... you were close, though.

[SWLGooner]

Anyway, you don't need to apologise to BG for the Salsa remark... it's fucking Cuban/Spanish isn't it? - Brazil is Samba mate... you were close, though.

Samba's from the Congo you muppet

[g88ner]

Anyway, you don't need to apologise to BG for the Salsa remark... it's fucking Cuban/Spanish isn't it? - Brazil is Samba mate... you were close, though.

Samba's from the Congo you muppet

Which is in Brazil, muppet

[OneBardGooner]

I got an hard 'un looking at that.... beautiful..... I can't say anymore....

Ere frank are you sure it was the banner that errm ad the 'effect' and not Kingjayson in his flip flops!???

[OneBardGooner]

What do you guys reckon will happen if Wenger sees it? Would he throw a hissy fit and announce his resignation there and then?

Naaah he might "Bottle It" though...nothing new there then...

[gunner_ace]

urm, nice effort with the banner as it looks very professional n all. But was it such a wise idea posting it on a chat forum that is open for anyone to view?

Im pretty sure the Tamil Tigers didnt post details of their guerilla tactics on yahoo communities. Just a thought mind, but guess its to late now.

[MM99]

Got a couple questions for you Nick if you don't mind answering?

1. What do you see the aims of the banner being and what effects are you hoping it will have? Either short term or long-term.

2. Do you feel as though the banner will have any impact on Wenger leaving in the near future?

3. Do you believe that, should this banner cause Wenger to resign, the ethos and philosophy of the club will change?

[gunner_ace]

p.s. for the record I agree with the banner, and I think its a bit classier then a "wenger out banner". It will challenge the status quo and force the hand of some serious debate about the club. If direct action isnt taken by the fans (like that banner for eg) then the club is sleepwaking itself into a mire, and I dread to think what May will look like for us.

Great work the banner SWL, but I dont see why you needed to advertise what you were doing (especially on the afc forum). Something like this definitly needs the suprise element to work. Anyway, whats done is done now, and as their are so many AKB's who will have seen this banner come the games (as it will do the round on FB, twitter, blogs etc) you unfurl it at you need to be prepared for what might come your way from them.

Good luck though. Look forward to seeing it on TV.

[SWLGooner]

urm, nice effort with the banner as it looks very professional n all. But was it such a wise idea posting it on a chat forum that is open for anyone to view?

Im pretty sure the Tamil Tigers didnt post details of their guerilla tactics on yahoo communities. Just a thought mind, but guess its to late now.

Well mate, we wanted to get publicity, it's not like it's going to be a surprise to people, and many off here contributed to it.

Re the Tamil Tiger point, you should message AA23Northbank, he knows about all that

[SWLGooner]

Got a couple questions for you Nick if you don't mind answering?

1. What do you see the aims of the banner being and what effects are you hoping it will have? Either short term or long-term.

2. Do you feel as though the banner will have any impact on Wenger leaving in the near future?

3. Do you believe that, should this banner cause Wenger to resign, the ethos and philosophy of the club will change?

1. The intended effect is hopefully to counteract the 'In Arsene We Trust' banner, and to force Wenger to recognise that many fans are not happy with him. If that makes him go, good, if it delivers a shock to the system and we return to winning ways, even better.

2. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, we certainly had it made with that in mind.

3. No. But I think Wenger is acting outside the ethos and philosophy of the club anyway.

[MM99]

Got a couple questions for you Nick if you don't mind answering?

1. What do you see the aims of the banner being and what effects are you hoping it will have? Either short term or long-term.

2. Do you feel as though the banner will have any impact on Wenger leaving in the near future?

3. Do you believe that, should this banner cause Wenger to resign, the ethos and philosophy of the club will change?

1. The intended effect is hopefully to counteract the 'In Arsene We Trust' banner, and to force Wenger to recognise that many fans are not happy with him. If that makes him go, good, if it delivers a shock to the system and we return to winning ways, even better.

2. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, we certainly had it made with that in mind.

3. No. But I think Wenger is acting outside the ethos and philosophy of the club anyway.

So if you don't think Wenger leaving will lead to fundamental change why only focus on him? If you have the whole boardroom sharing the same view as the manager, what difference is it going to make in the long run by only forcing the manager out?
Also, could you expand on what you mean by Wenger is acting outside the ethos of the club?

[Gunnersaurus]

Whats with the dig at post men and low paid jobs, we arent all rich office types.

I'm a postman of almost 15 years thanks.

So your calling yourself "thick as shit" then?

Keep digging that hole.

What hole?

I'm a Postman, if I was smarter and paid more attention at School I wouldn't be a postman and would earn enough money to sit in club level, what's not to understand in the context of the post?

Where's this hole you speak off?

[frankbutcher]

Got a couple questions for you Nick if you don't mind answering?

1. What do you see the aims of the banner being and what effects are you hoping it will have? Either short term or long-term.

2. Do you feel as though the banner will have any impact on Wenger leaving in the near future?

3. Do you believe that, should this banner cause Wenger to resign, the ethos and philosophy of the club will change?

1. The intended effect is hopefully to counteract the 'In Arsene We Trust' banner, and to force Wenger to recognise that many fans are not happy with him. If that makes him go, good, if it delivers a shock to the system and we return to winning ways, even better.

2. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, we certainly had it made with that in mind.

3. No. But I think Wenger is acting outside the ethos and philosophy of the club anyway.

So if you don't think Wenger leaving will lead to fundamental change why only focus on him? If you have the whole boardroom sharing the same view as the manager, what difference is it going to make in the long run by only forcing the manager out?
Also, could you expand on what you mean by Wenger is acting outside the ethos of the club?

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Always someone else's fault.

- The Board have allowed Wenger the 4th highest wage bill in the country.
- The Board sold Fabregas at the behest of Wenger.
- The board sold Nasri for top money when Wenger was demanding we let him go on a free the next season.
- The Board allowed Wenger to buy Oxlade-Chamberlain for multi-millions.
- The Board indulge Wenger.
- Wenger has free rein over the Club.

Why is it the Board's fault?

- Do the Board organise the defence?
- Did the Board play Almunia as No.1 for four seasons.
- Is the Board tactically inept.
- Do the Board motivate the team?
- Do the Board talk about mental strength, handbrakes, special circumstances and rugby tactics to deflect from the team?

Wenger is at fault for the team. If he is being constrained by the Board, why is he still at the Club? £7m per year? We've got no prospect of winning anything, so he must still be here because of the money. I'd say Wenger is as much a hypocrite as Clichy, Adebayor and Nasri.

Finally.....Why all the questions about our banner? When have all of you AKBers ever questioned the In Arsene We Trust Banner? Rank hypocrisy.

[safcftm]

The banner looks canny mate. TBH although I think gunnersaurus has been a bit OTT in terms of his comments about the banner and the people supporting it, its probably useful for you to see just the kind of reaction you can expect from some people (not saying you arent already aware, but its good to see it in action!). I know a lot of Arsenal fans seem to be against Wenger, but a good number in the ground still seem to support him, so its obviously going to piss a lot of people off. That being said, if it pisses people off then at least its had a reaction and at least its got people talking, not just about Wenger but about the club as a whole. I think it would be a disgrace if the stewards were to order you to remove it tbh- as long as it meets the health and safety requirements and isnt abusive (which it isnt) then you would like to think they'd allow a bit of freedom of speech (although it is by no means only the Arsenal who would try to deny the fans that right, every club acts like they're in the middle of a communist regime nowadays)

Good luck with the banner mate. Personally I don't think Wenger should be the target of the first "anti-establishment" if you like banner, but then I'm an outsider so my opinion on the target really isnt relevant. Like I say, I hope that it at least gets people talking.