Realistic Replacements for Wenger

[Tomáš]

I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.

Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year

He is the best Manager currently.

Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...

[gp543]

I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.

Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year

He is the best Manager currently.

Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...

He's not a top 5 manager in world football.

Guardiola, Mourinho, Simeone, Ancelotti and Löw all better.

[augie]

Klopp to Madrid. Ancelotti to City. And the beat goes on.

Klopp will come to the premier league - he has said openly in the past that being able to speak the language in the dressing room is crucial in the way he manages, and he can only speak german and English.

Ancelotti to citeeh is as near to being a certainty as there is I would think - ancelotti likes to manage where he has serious spending power (chavs, psg and real Madrid) so citeeh is his type of club. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my behalf, but I don't think klopp has enough stature to be the next citeeh manager - yes he is a quality manager, but citeeh are about to embark on a rebuilding phase and having the right manager to attract top quality will be crucial.

[Ikechukwu1]

I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.

Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year

He is the best Manager currently.

Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...

He's not a top 5 manager in world football.

Guardiola, Mourinho, Simeone, Ancelotti and Löw all better.

Why do people keep claiming we need a Top 5 manager? Like we are a Bayern or Real? Lol we just got owned by Monaco in the CL, not challenged for a league title in a decade, and have made 1 CL final in an 18 year stretch. Sounds like some of our fans have ideas above what we are at present
Also was Wenger a "Top 50" manager ever when he arrived? So who's to say a new manager has to be a Top 5? Klopp, De Boer, Tuchel, Conte etc are all more than good enough. We've never paid more than £20m for a striker and yet are demanding top class managers LOL

[gp543]

I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.

Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year

He is the best Manager currently.

Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...

He's not a top 5 manager in world football.

Guardiola, Mourinho, Simeone, Ancelotti and Löw all better.

Why do people keep claiming we need a Top 5 manager? Like we are a Bayern or Real? Lol we just got owned by Monaco in the CL, not challenged for a league title in a decade, and have made 1 CL final in an 18 year stretch. Sounds like some of our fans have ideas above what we are at present
Also was Wenger a "Top 50" manager ever when he arrived? So who's to say a new manager has to be a Top 5? Klopp, De Boer, Tuchel, Conte etc are all more than good enough. We've never paid more than £20m for a striker and yet are demanding top class managers LOL

I was simply refuting the claim that Klopp was the best manager in the world. Settle down.

[augie]

I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.

Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year

He is the best Manager currently.

Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...

He's not a top 5 manager in world football.

Guardiola, Mourinho, Simeone, Ancelotti and Löw all better.

Moaninho has had money to spend everywhere he has gone - yes he is good tactically and is excellent at motivating his players, but would have had the sustained period of success at dortmund that klopp has had ? Would these skills proved as fruitful with lesser players ? Simeone, a manager that I really like, has been successful for two seasons - prior to that he had a failed career as a manager and was bombed out of most of the clubs he has managed. Ancelotti has had big spending power behind him at every single club he has managed - would he have been as successful without it ? Low, another manager I like, isnt rated that highly in his own country and I certainly wouldnt rate him ahead of klopp.

I'm not saying that I wouldnt want any of those 5 to manage Arsenal (although I def wouldnt want moaninho ), but to knock klopp's record as a manager with limited resources and an impressive success record, is bordering on ridiculous imo

[defleppardisking]

What i want is a manager who can achieve things with limited resources as we are not a big spending club. Only two names come to my mind. Klopp and Simeone.

[SPUDMASHER]

Klopp had a purple patch, Simeone is in the middle of one. Maureen has limitless funding to ensure success. Ancelotti has had a relatively successful career overall, but has never really built a team as he's usually inherited a good starting point. Guardiola has built well at Barca and Bayern but at both clubs has had the funds to do so.

All of them could come to Arsenal and do well but I'm also quite sure that AW could go to their clubs and do quite well too. Management isn't a science. Like players they all have good streaks and bad. As much as I hated the red nosed fucker you can only really say that he is the one manager in my lifetime that has stood head and shoulders above anyone else. He continually re-built Manure over a period of twenty plus years and delivered with alarming regularity.

[augie]

I agree with much of that spuddy but I don't think that wenker is as motivated by trophies as other managers are. He could well go to another club and the new challenge might invigorate him and see him return to the manager that he used to be, but in our club he is under no pressure to win trophies and he now value's moral superiority and financial prudence as being more important than trophies

[Tomáš]

I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.

Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year

He is the best Manager currently.

Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...

He's not a top 5 manager in world football.

Guardiola, Mourinho, Simeone, Ancelotti and Löw all better.

No!
Klopp has managend Mainz from second league to first back to second back to first
He has managed BVB from 2008 on from an average Team to:
German titel 2011
German titel 2012
Cup titel 2012
CL Final 2013 (should have won it with a good ref)
Cup Final 2014 (should have won it with Goal line Technology)
Klopp has developed Teams and Players! Besides of Simeone which I would rate second non of These above have ever done it.
Klopp is the best currently out there and he will be if he get's the right workplace

Cheers,
Thomas

P.S.: He is not going to be a skydiver
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -live.html

[SPUDMASHER]

Well, he is an economist after all!

I wonder if his brief is to keep the money coming in and to do what is required to achieve that. I guess we'll never know but I think they'd get more money if we were winning things so it wouldn't make sense to put a limit on his achievements.
Personally I think he'd like nothing more than to be winning but for some reason has lost his way. I don't think it is any great mystery that his decline started around the same time that David Dein was edged out of the club. Maybe it is time for him to return to concerning himself only with team matters and not trying to do two jobs at once.

I agree with you on the moral superiority thing though. I think he has a real issue with that born out of his own standards. I think it frustrates him to see some of the shit that goes on and he won't out of principal allow himself to get sucked into it. The problem of course is that he does exactly that when he makes his moral statements.

[DB10GOONER]

I agree with much of that spuddy but I don't think that wenker is as motivated by trophies as other managers are. He could well go to another club and the new challenge might invigorate him and see him return to the manager that he used to be, but in our club he is under no pressure to win trophies and he now value's moral superiority and financial prudence as being more important than trophies

I mostly agree with this. The only bit I think is slightly off is the trophy bit. I do think he still values winning trophies, but I think rather than the deciding criteria for him being moral superiority and financial prudence, the overwhelming criteria for Wenger is it has to be his way. His ego dictates he has to build the perfect team of unknowns that he then turns into superstars playing tippy tappy. I do accept that moral superiority and financial prudence are part of his values undoubtedly, I just think his ego is a bigger, and more influential, part.

I also think his resolve in this area has eased a bit in the last few years as he permitted the signings of Ozil, Podolski and Sanchez who were all established stars. I say "permitted" because I personally think someone on the Board pushed for big signings against Arsene's wishes and initiated those signings. That combined with a bit of a fan and media backlash possibly pushed Wenger to accept he needed to agree to sign at least a couple of established players. Just my belief.

[flash gunner]

The thing I like about Klopp is he knows when to walk away, when he's taken the club as far as he can and its gone stale. If only Arsene was the same

[OneBardGooner]

Arsene was (Once Upon a Time) a excellent manager...he still manages to get a team to play creative, entertaining football...BUT..he has many flaws

He pays average ( and below average players) Top Player wages - He has a blindness to their failings - be that in their development, their skills/abilities, their loyalty - and he is too loyal to them - maybe he see's them all as his children or something weird - okay so we all know Ebuoe and Diaby ARE (allegedly) his

He also spends money in the wrong direction and on players whom he then plays out of their natural, best and strongest position Arshavin being a prime example - He also buys players in positions that we already have in abundance -= Yup he buys mid-field players - but they are all technically gifted, small physically - we need someone in the mid-field who defends ONLY - Okay so it may be a case of he/we lucked out with Coq coming back off loan - But had Arteta & capt Stoopid not been injured - he may never have had the opportunity to prove his worth - which (so far) he has managed to do...whether he has the where-with-all to do it consistently is something we will find out next season.

Wenger is obviously past his best - so an ideal replacement will be a manager who CAN:

Do Tactics - Change the team and playing style to match & beat the opposition
Have a Plan B and C if necessary
Doesn't pander to players (and their scum agents)
Will challenge the board to spend the necessary money in order to win the Prem and CL
Buy the players we need to fill the gaps, rather than paper over them


I know Klopp is good, but for me it is either Ancelloti or Low....

But we are stuck with Wenger for another 2 seasons regardless and if - IF we win the FA Cup it may be longer still.....

[OneBardGooner]

The thing I like about Klopp is he knows when to walk away, when he's taken the club as far as he can and its gone stale. If only Arsene was the same

Good point Flash - It shows his ego isn't out of control - which is what can be said about many managers including wenger.


As Clint Eastwood once said; "A Man's Got To Know His Limitations" - BOOM!