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Nos 89

Lets just make this clear. You said that China owns US debt, which is disproven from this article. You can make up all the stuff about corporates and individuals you like, the reality is miles apart from what you originally stated.

There you go again making sweeping statements, what makes you think that Europe has the greatest growth potential? If it did have the greatest growth potential then why the hell are we getting out! Contradiction in terms I think. The reality is the BRIC economies will be the drivers behind global growth in the future, when both India and China will be the biggest economies in the world. Despite this we shouldn't use this as an excuse to Brexit.

There is nothing that UKIP says that even comes close to a consensus in this country. There is a great article from the You Gov website about the consensus of the UK population by class, political beliefs, education and location amongst other things.

Basically if you are uneducated, old, read the sun or daily fail, support UKIP or come from outside London you are likely to vote for brexit. Says it all really

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/24/eu ... ondon-and/

I vote Nutxit

I got the large pro-EU leaflet through my door last week

I suppose the tiny anti-EU leaflet got 'lost in the post'

Fuck the politicians. I am still and always will be 100% OUT

Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission and the longest serving Brussels commissioner, has called for "a true political union" to be put on the agenda for EU elections this spring.

"We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a "Senate" of Member States," she said.

Mrs Reding's vision, which is shared by many in the European institutions, would transform the EU into superstate relegating national governments and parliaments to a minor political role equivalent to that played by local councils in Britain.

Under her plan, the commission would have supremacy over governments and MEPs in the European Parliament would supersede the sovereignty of MPs in the House of Commons.


Forget about immigration legal or otherwise , this is their long term aim.

A11M11 wrote:Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission and the longest serving Brussels commissioner, has called for "a true political union" to be put on the agenda for EU elections this spring.

"We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a "Senate" of Member States," she said.

Mrs Reding's vision, which is shared by many in the European institutions, would transform the EU into superstate relegating national governments and parliaments to a minor political role equivalent to that played by local councils in Britain.

Under her plan, the commission would have supremacy over governments and MEPs in the European Parliament would supersede the sovereignty of MPs in the House of Commons.


Forget about immigration legal or otherwise , this is their long term aim.

It has been for a while. We have a President of Europe which no European citizen voted for, it won't be long before Merkel shoves him over and starts dictating to everyone what they should and shouldn't do because she and her cronies know what is best for us! The EU must be the most undemocratic organisation in the whole of democratic societies. The more I listen to the arguments, the more my 'out' position is cemented.

A United States of Europe could never happen, as there's no common language, too many different cultures and the Frenchies wouldn't tolerate being forced to speak English (And Brits couldn't be arsed to learn another language anyway ). It could have only happened in America, not over here.

The very notion of a 'one nation continent' flies in the face of all reality. I prefer that all the nations of Europe retain their unique identities, histories and cultures. The immigration situation is scandalous.

Sean wrote:A United States of Europe could never happen, as there's no common language, too many different cultures and the Frenchies wouldn't tolerate being forced to speak English (And Brits couldn't be arsed to learn another language anyway ). It could have only happened in America, not over here.

The very notion of a 'one nation continent' flies in the face of all reality. I prefer that all the nations of Europe retain their unique identities, histories and cultures. The immigration situation is scandalous.

Mere details, they won't let that get in the way. I didn't think the French would let go of their currency so easily, but they didn't bat a centime.

Sean wrote:A United States of Europe could never happen, as there's no common language, too many different cultures and the Frenchies wouldn't tolerate being forced to speak English (And Brits couldn't be arsed to learn another language anyway ). It could have only happened in America, not over here.

The very notion of a 'one nation continent' flies in the face of all reality. I prefer that all the nations of Europe retain their unique identities, histories and cultures. The immigration situation is scandalous.

In my youth I always thought we should bin this EEC and become a member state of the USA because of the close relationship of the two countries.
Leaving the EU will not alter the immigration issue because we're still part of the United Nations. And anyway didn't Cameron want to leave the EU in 2010 as he didn't agree with the EU Human Rights Act? All that seems to have disappeared from the media. Jeremy Corbin if you're reading this bring it up at the next PM's question time. Feel free to drop my name Nos89 like you do in your quotes from "everday people.

Nos89 wrote:

Sean wrote:A United States of Europe could never happen, as there's no common language, too many different cultures and the Frenchies wouldn't tolerate being forced to speak English (And Brits couldn't be arsed to learn another language anyway ). It could have only happened in America, not over here.

The very notion of a 'one nation continent' flies in the face of all reality. I prefer that all the nations of Europe retain their unique identities, histories and cultures. The immigration situation is scandalous.

In my youth I always thought we should bin this EEC and become a member state of the USA because of the close relationship of the two countries.
Leaving the EU will not alter the immigration issue because we're still part of the United Nations. And anyway didn't Cameron want to leave the EU in 2010 as he didn't agree with the EU Human Rights Act? All that seems to have disappeared from the media. Jeremy Corbin if you're reading this bring it up at the next PM's question time. Feel free to drop my name Nos89 like you do in your quotes from "everday people.

Member state of the USA? LMAO. I haven't got a clue what you are going on about in this thread (do you?), but feel free to send a question to CORBYN. Just make sure you spell his name right!

The "EU Human Rights Act" - the European Convention on Human Rights - is nothing to do with the EU. It is the legislation of the Council of Europe and the overreaching excuse for a court is entirely independent from the EU.

Although it's not particularly popular amongst the public here, the fallout if we actually withdrew from a human rights charter which even Turkey and Russia have signed up to observe would be pretty dim.

I have just as low an opinion on our being the Americans lackeys as I have of our being part of the EU. I favour independence from both (nothing wrong with a loose alliance though).

Sean wrote:I have just as low an opinion on our being the Americans lackeys as I have of our being part of the EU. I favour independence from both (nothing wrong with a loose alliance though).

You mean they're ok for a bit of casual sex but not for a long term relationship?

arseofacrow wrote:

Sean wrote:I have just as low an opinion on our being the Americans lackeys as I have of our being part of the EU. I favour independence from both (nothing wrong with a loose alliance though).

You mean they're ok for a bit of casual sex but not for a long term relationship?

Precisely

nut flush gooner wrote:

Nos89 wrote:

Sean wrote:A United States of Europe could never happen, as there's no common language, too many different cultures and the Frenchies wouldn't tolerate being forced to speak English (And Brits couldn't be arsed to learn another language anyway ). It could have only happened in America, not over here.

The very notion of a 'one nation continent' flies in the face of all reality. I prefer that all the nations of Europe retain their unique identities, histories and cultures. The immigration situation is scandalous.

In my youth I always thought we should bin this EEC and become a member state of the USA because of the close relationship of the two countries.
Leaving the EU will not alter the immigration issue because we're still part of the United Nations. And anyway didn't Cameron want to leave the EU in 2010 as he didn't agree with the EU Human Rights Act? All that seems to have disappeared from the media. Jeremy Corbin if you're reading this bring it up at the next PM's question time. Feel free to drop my name Nos89 like you do in your quotes from "everday people.

Member state of the USA? LMAO. I haven't got a clue what you are going on about in this thread (do you?), but feel free to send a question to CORBYN. Just make sure you spell his name right!

More of a clue than I actually let on, just having a bit of fun. No I'm not a UKIP supporter, in fact, all the political parties are a bit redundant and do not reflect this country's needs. A lot of their theoretical political strategies are stuck in the 1970's. This country can easily get by without the EU...if only the politicians let it.

Another question is could the country easily get by without politicians and their parties and if we vote in would we find out..