Wenger DOESN'T Know

[Matt M]

Just to say that I agree with BPP on absolutely everything.

Yesterday was yet another example of Mr Wengers tactical naivety (12 yrs into a job!!!)...Diaby 4 Sagna??? Eboue on right back??? Why oh why he didn't bring in Senderos and move Toure to right back I'll never know...and to give such post-match talk is a sign of someone who's seriously deluded and doesn't want to face reality...AND AW will absolutely NOT spend in the summer, I think that deep down we all know that...

Blimey, and you say Wenger is tactically naive with a comment like that

Did I read that right? You said he should have brought on Senderos and moved Toure to right back?
This being the same Senderos who has shown time and time again that he turns into Bambi every single time he faces Drogba.
When you've got Gallas and Toure struggling to control Drogba, the LAST person you want to try and do it is Senderos!!

I think Wenger should have moved Eboue to right-back as he did, but brought Walcott on for Sagna instead.
Other than that, bringing Senderos on to try and control Drogba would have been suicide.

[dvbrisgooner1]

I have to agree that the mistake was not bringing on Walcott.

He then compounded it by taking off RVP and going back to 4-5-1 rather than playing Walcott or Bendtner up top. We had to win and the Boss lost his nerve.

[skipper]

Well, the other two didn't do much better job, did they? And it was good chance for Senderos to exorcise Drogba deamons...

[Matt M]

Well, the other two didn't do much better job, did they? And it was good chance for Senderos to exorcise Drogba deamons...

A game of that importance wasn't the time to let Pascal Cygan #2 try to exorcize demons!

Yes Gallas and Toure struggled, but if Senderos was playing there we'd have conceded more in all likelyness.

[dvbrisgooner1]

Senderos must replace one of them next week. If we thought we got bombarded late on yesterday, just wait for Bolton.

[Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end)]

As far as I can see there is no knee jerk
reaction,fact of the matter is NO TROPHIES
FOR 4 YEARS......END OF ARGUMENT!!
If it were anyone else at the helm you would
all be baying for blood at this precise moment.
From what I've seen in the Premiership over the last 10
years only one manager is untouchable and on the
number of trophies won I'm sorry to say it 'aint ours!

At the begining of this thread the times that we should
have won the title and various other cups was highlighted,
the fact that we didn't must surely fall on the shoulders
of the man in charge.
I feel as though we've bizzarely turned into some sort
of "Harlem Globetrotters" of the premiership,providing
skill and entertaiment but not acctually winning anything
of importance other than the odd pre season tournament.

Look at what AW has achieved. Yes we have not won a trophy for a while but he has won us plenty in the past. Do we really want to become Newcastle where they change the manager every five mins. Even if BBP was right the major issue you have is no one has come up with a decent alternative. Only one team can win the prem every season. We have come 4th in the prem the last two years, knocked out in 1st k/o round of the CL last time round, got to the semi final of the carling cup...this season has been an improvment, almost whatever happens now. If we do not improve from here for next season then I may start to agree. This club is built on solid foundations. This sort of reaction is what you will have if foreign owners come in. Stick with the Man. BBP WILL owe me £20 next season.,....you heard it here first!

[donaldo]

CAN ANYONE NOW DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT THE SQUAD IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND UNLESS WE GO OUT AND BUY SOME TOP QUALITY PLAYERS WE WILL ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS AGAIN THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.SINCE 2004 WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS. AFTER THE INWINCBLE SEASON WE SHOULD HAVE PUSHED ON

WOULD SENDEROS,EBOUE,DIABY AND BENDTNER GET INTO THE MAN UTD SQUAD?LOOK AT MAN UTD"S BENCH YESTERDAY

YESTERDAY CHELSEA BROUGHT ON TWO EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS AS SUBS WE BROUGHT ON TWO 18 YEAR OLDS.

UNLESS ARSENE CHANGES HIS POLICY OF NOT SPENDING MONEY AND RELYING ON YOUNGSTER THE TITLE IS A DISTANT DREAM.

[I Hate Hleb]

If you get rid of Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira and Pires and replace them with Adebayor, Bendtner, Hleb and Walcott, then you can't expect to win the league.

There was money available at the start of the season and in the January transfer window, but Stubborn Wenger decides not to do anything. Time for him to go.

you sound like those chelsea idiots singing 'you don't know what you're doing' and 'jose mourinhio' when grant took ballack and that other twat off, can't remember who it was now, i agree you need to buy some proven players, but like someone else said, you're in the 1/4s of c l and 6 points behind us, for a young inexperienced team surely that can't be that bad, now it just needs some fine tuning, i think you may be jumping the gun a bit on the back of some bad results which has probably cost you the title, i am just glad arsenal pushed us most of the way instead of just those rent boy twats, even though they may now be in a better position.
there is still 21 points to play for, you're 6 points behind, who knows, still a way to go yet
JUST DON'T WANT THEM RENT BOYS WINNING IT IF WE DON'T.

It really has come to something when a Man United supporter writes more sense about Arsenal than some Gooners have on this thread!!

[giorgio55]

If you get rid of Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira and Pires and replace them with Adebayor, Bendtner, Hleb and Walcott, then you can't expect to win the league.

There was money available at the start of the season and in the January transfer window, but Stubborn Wenger decides not to do anything. Time for him to go.

You are a prick!!! Wenger is the best manager in the worlld!! i know we have money, but if any other manager in the league spent the money we have they would be in the bottom half!!! I love watching the boys and the football we play is fantastic, who cares if we win anything, we are and will always be the best team in England!!

Pires was injury prone as shown at Villareal, Bergkamp retired, Henry did nothing in his last two years and it was time for a change for Vieira. They all chose to go, wenger didn't get rid of them!!

[T.S]

Message to anyone calling Bring Back Pires a prick or condescending him just because they disagree with something he's written: you really need to grow up. I know we’re all pissed off, but Bring Back Pires makes his comments for one reason, and one reason only; because he wants to see Arsenal winning things and that is how he thinks they should go about it. What is wrong with that? He could be right, and he could be wrong. But calling him a prick, etc. just because he is expressing an opinion of how Arsenal could improve their fortunes, which you may disagree with is bloody pathetic.

If you want to disagree with him, then go ahead – I disagree with him, to a point. But can we now only have people posting on here who are capable of maintaining an adult conversation on here, please? It really bugs me seeing a group of members on here rounding on someone else just because they disagree with him. To anyone that applies to; you really need to get a fucking grip.

[lincs123]

interesting thread and some strong opinions. all i want to say is that if anyone here wants wenger out...then your WRONG (imo). enough said

[Matt M]

Message to anyone calling Bring Back Pires a prick or condescending him just because they disagree with something he's written: you really need to grow up. I know we’re all pissed off, but Bring Back Pires makes his comments for one reason, and one reason only; because he wants to see Arsenal winning things and that is how he thinks they should go about it. What is wrong with that? He could be right, and he could be wrong. But calling him a prick, etc. just because he is expressing an opinion of how Arsenal could improve their fortunes, which you may disagree with is bloody pathetic.

If you want to disagree with him, then go ahead – I disagree with him, to a point. But can we now only have people posting on here who are capable of maintaining an adult conversation on here, please? It really bugs me seeing a group of members on here rounding on someone else just because they disagree with him. To anyone that applies to; you really need to get a fucking grip.

I agree that name calling is pointless and there is no need for it because it just lessens your argument.

Debating this thread is pointless in itself tho. It's like arguing with a vicar about believing in God. You know he's wrong, but it's not like you're gonna get him to change his mind.

[DB10GOONER]

As far as I can see there is no knee jerk
reaction,fact of the matter is NO TROPHIES
FOR 4 YEARS......END OF ARGUMENT!!

Fair enough, but;

What happened the last time we went 4 years without a trophy? 2002 double. Why? because he was building a team. He is now building another team. Not a team of blokes in their late twenties/early thirties that will win one trophy and then retire, but (hopefully) a team of young gifted players that will develop into world beaters. It takes time, unfortunately.

I know, some will say "but Hleb, Ade, Eboue (insert whoever you dislike at the moment here) etc are not good enough". Ok, maybe so, but how in fuck can Wenger know that if he doesn't try them out?

He looks at a young player, sees potential and takes a risk that he can develop that potential, and it is a risk; the player has to have the motovation and the hunger, he has to be lucky with injuries and form. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

Look, I don't want to harp on about the "old days" and all that shite but I remember the underacheiving 70's and the fucking boring 80's and early 90's. We were shit nearly every year and fucking horrible to watch for a big chunk of that time. Wenger brought back huge success to this club, set records, re-invented English football as a true spectator sport and saved a club that was in real risk of dying on it's feet. We have been spoiled over the last decade (and rightly so, a club of our size and history should be massively successful).

I'm pissed off too that we have fucked away 11 points in the last 5 games after such a good run and I accept we need to buy a couple more seasoned pros of the highest calibre to strengthen the side, but to call for Wenger's head is just a knee jerk reaction. We owe the man a couple more years to see if this team grows into the potentially great team he envisages.

All bollix aside, who last August gave us a rat's chance in hell of being where we are at this stage in the season? Wenger has acheived miracles to get us this far.

Two years from now, if we are still trophy less and he is persisting with the likes of Eboue etc and the team hasn't developed then, yes, I would sadly agree that his time may have come, but cetainly no sooner, because if you get rid of a man of his calibre who do you replace him with? Do we really want to end up like the Toon or the spuds, desperately going through manager after manager year after year and still with fuck all to show for it. Do we fuck...

[All_Arsenal_1886]

What the hell are you talking about? Wenger didn't get rid of Bergkamp, he retired for Gods sake.

exactly Fabrestuta.

Also Henry, Vieira and Pires were past there best and wanted to leave. Wenger didn't 'get rid' of them.

It's easy enough to point out the managers mistakes when things go wrong but i really doubt Wenger is losing the plot.

I couldn't think of anyone i would rather have as manager anyway.

[I Hate Hleb]

As far as I can see there is no knee jerk
reaction,fact of the matter is NO TROPHIES
FOR 4 YEARS......END OF ARGUMENT!!

Fair enough, but;

What happened the last time we went 4 years without a trophy? 2002 double. Why? because he was building a team. He is now building another team. Not a team of blokes in their late twenties/early thirties that will win one trophy and then retire, but (hopefully) a team of young gifted players that will develop into world beaters. It takes time, unfortunately.

I know, some will say "but Hleb, Ade, Eboue (insert whoever you dislike at the moment here) etc are not good enough". Ok, maybe so, but how in fuck can Wenger know that if he doesn't try them out?

He looks at a young player, sees potential and takes a risk that he can develop that potential, and it is a risk; the player has to have the motovation and the hunger, he has to be lucky with injuries and form. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

Look, I don't want to harp on about the "old days" and all that shite but I remember the underacheiving 70's and the fucking boring 80's and early 90's. We were shit nearly every year and fucking horrible to watch for a big chunk of that time. Wenger brought back huge success to this club, set records, re-invented English football as a true spectator sport and saved a club that was in real risk of dying on it's feet. We have been spoiled over the last decade (and rightly so, a club of our size and history should be massively successful).

I'm pissed off too that we have fucked away 11 points in the last 5 games after such a good run and I accept we need to buy a couple more seasoned pros of the highest calibre to strengthen the side, but to call for Wenger's head is just a knee jerk reaction. We owe the man a couple more years to see if this team grows into the potentially great team he envisages.

All bollix aside, who last August gave us a rat's chance in hell of being where we are at this stage in the season? Wenger has acheived miracles to get us this far.

Two years from now, if we are still trophy less and he is persisting with the likes of Eboue etc and the team hasn't developed then, yes, I would sadly agree that his time may have come, but cetainly no sooner, because if you get rid of a man of his calibre who do you replace him with? Do we really want to end up like the Toon or the spuds, desperately going through manager after manager year after year and still with fuck all to show for it. Do we fuck...

WELL SAID DB10GOONER. YOU SUM IT ALL UP PERFECTLY, AS USUAL.

As far as I can see there is no knee jerk
reaction,fact of the matter is NO TROPHIES
FOR 4 YEARS......END OF ARGUMENT!!

SORRY MATEY, THAT'S NOT FACT!! WE WON THE FA CUP IN 2005, AND STILL HAVE A CHANCE THIS SEASON OF WINNING A TROPHY. THEREFORE WE HAVE ACTUALLY GONE 2 YEARS WITHOUT WINNING SILVERWARE, NOT THE 4 YEARS YOU CLAIM.

NOW THAT IS FACT AND THEREFORE, AS YOU LIKE TO PUT IT, 'THE END OF THE ARGUEMENT'!!