ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[gooner265]

Arsenal have begun to negotiate for the signing of Ivan Fresneda for winter and to be able to place Cedric at Fulham. The variables are going to be key since in fixed fees, they do not intend to pay more than €15m (£13.2m) [Via - @PucelaNews_1928].

[Nos89]

One other thought. The reason Chelsea are handing out 7 year contracts is to circumnavigate FFP. Basically if you sign a player for £70m on a 7 year contract you amortise his fee over that period at £10m per year. If it was a 4 year contract it would be £17.5m per year. We can all see what Chelsea are up to. If Mudryk was to say no I don’t want 7 years I just want 4 or 5 then their dastardly plan comes away at the seams. I just don’t get why a player would want a 7 year contract. He’s effectively enslaved to them.

There's got to be something else in FFP that can see them come unstuck? The basis of the income vs the outgoings must be under threat of investigation. Also, if a player is willing to sign up for that amount of time knowing only 25 players can be selected for the squad means a lot of young foreign players sitting around doing nothing or going out on loan, they are only going there for one thing only, money. Is there anything in FFP on squad size, loan deals for players, etc...
They will come unstuck at some point because who is going to want to sign for a club with a first team squad on 60 players. There should be an "agreement" between all other clubs not to sign permanently or on loan any player from chelsea this window as they simply won't be able to balance the books.

[BFG4]

I know we've been down this road so many times before and missed out on players but I'm suspicious of this one because absolutely no noise came from anyone at our end and all we've done is put a few bids in. The Twitter world made it seem that we were placing bids every few hours and in desperation. People at the club must have known a week ago that this wasn't going anywhere and that Shaktah are a bunch of fucking cowboys. Did we really chase this bloke for months only to not get him? Did we really get so close to signing him and then not get a deal in place that they wouldn't listen to other offers? No, I don't believe any of it. We put a few bids in and they weren't accepted. End of story. It's not the drama that it's made out to be. It really isn't.

Edu flew out yesterday to try and seal the deal so it's probably we tried haggling down to an acceptable price but once Chelsea came back in then we were fucked. I get the feeling that Mudryk and his apparent desperation to sign for us was a big act by him and Shakthar. They probably weren't getting many bids and wanted the transfer to be as public as possible in order to ramp up the price. Fuck knows if he's any good but what's really gonna be unacceptable is the lack of back up options the club will have.

[Perryashburtongroves]

I know we've been down this road so many times before and missed out on players but I'm suspicious of this one because absolutely no noise came from anyone at our end and all we've done is put a few bids in. The Twitter world made it seem that we were placing bids every few hours and in desperation. People at the club must have known a week ago that this wasn't going anywhere and that Shaktah are a bunch of fucking cowboys. Did we really chase this bloke for months only to not get him? Did we really get so close to signing him and then not get a deal in place that they wouldn't listen to other offers? No, I don't believe any of it. We put a few bids in and they weren't accepted. End of story. It's not the drama that it's made out to be. It really isn't.

Edu flew out yesterday to try and seal the deal so it's probably we tried haggling down to an acceptable price but once Chelsea came back in then we were fucked. I get the feeling that Mudryk and his apparent desperation to sign for us was a big act by him and Shakthar. They probably weren't getting many bids and wanted the transfer to be as public as possible in order to ramp up the price. Fuck knows if he's any good but what's really gonna be unacceptable is the lack of back up options the club will have.

I hate to say it but I'm worried that we'll end up in the situation we were in back in 2008 and 2010 when we were going well and looking like we could mount a serious title bid. We need strength in depth in January both times and nothing happened. We ended up falling short when we should have won the league on both occasions. If, what I'm reading about not wanting to overpay in January because it affects the budget and targets lined up for the summer, then that is a massive fucking gamble. Fucking massive. My feeling is that nobody at the club thought we'd be where we are right now and so didn't really plan for it. The target this year was to be back in the top four and possibly win the Europa League. The big money was earmarked for this coming summer.

As I say, it's a fucking gamble and if it doesn't work and we fall short again by a few points because we can't break a couple of sides down, it's not going to piss a load of us off.

[Redarmy]

enslaved for 7 years on +£300K a week.....

we used to have them hanging on, and end up paying them off just to get rid of them

Yep this Boehly c@nt is basically trying to sign all the highest rated youth and put them on 7 Yr deals, to avoid FFP not exactly a complex plan.

Problem is if they don't kick on you're stuck with a player on 200k a week for 5+ yrs and paying them off with cost you a fortune, not many clubs will match those wages, especially if they are duds/average.

Also surely if they sign players in the same position would the player not think fvck that?, it will certainly attract young mercenaries.

It could work, it could cripple them, one thing for sure - Chelsea must be about the most hated club in the world by neutrals, odious little pimped up no history fvckers.

Hopefully those useless UEFA cvnts get annoyed with their doping and they get banned and start losing huge money and go into admin again.

lets hope it cripples them

As for Mudryk got a feeling its a massive PR scam from shaktar....he may be fast and 2 footed but 100million Euros....your avin a laugh

[shu]

Yes there were a couple of seasons where we needed a CB or striker back up and we didn’t sort it . In a way last with lack of options upfront we came up short.

Arteta or there board weren’t there in2008/9 so haven’t experienced it .

[Redarmy]

For me, it's just a bit odd that he was bigging up the currently high flying Arsenal and ended up going to the hilarious shitshow that is the chav, soon to be managerless when the English Martin O'Neil gets the flick. They must have offered him way over the top personal terms, so fuck him.

My priority is a proper 20+ PL goals per season striker, a top CH, and an inanimate carbon rod or fucking anything really to replace Lobotomy Clive.

Agreed as above required....

[OneBardGooner]

Must admit I have foolishly been waiting for the picture of Mudryk and Arteta holding up the Beloved Red & White Shirt... If the chavs really have signed him, then it shows that Edu isn't up to the job and that any recent hopes that the Krankies were going to go all out and back us financially was mis-placed.

This is the best position we have been in at this time of the season for fucking years and the owners should be doing Everything to back Arteta, Team, and The Fans.

This is the best Team We've Had in Lordy knows how long and how they cannot see that is baffling.

If they cannot see and / or back that then it shows they have no understanding of the game as a sport nor as a business and have no intention of doing their part to make us a success.

Maybe this will turn out to be a Blessing In Disguise.

[gooner265]

Must admit I have foolishly been waiting for the picture of Mudryk and Arteta holding up the Beloved Red & White Shirt... If the chavs really have signed him, then it shows that Edu isn't up to the job and that any recent hopes that the Krankies were going to go all out and back us financially was mis-placed.

This is the best position we have been in at this time of the season for fucking years and the owners should be doing Everything to back Arteta, Team, and The Fans.

This is the best Team We've Had in Lordy knows how long and how they cannot see that is baffling.

If they cannot see and / or back that then it shows they have no understanding of the game as a sport nor as a business and have no intention of doing their part to make us a success.

Maybe this will turn out to be a Blessing In Disguise.

Hang on you cant say he isnt up to the job, we bid a total of 95 million , hardly lowballed them . Chelsea just xame in and blew us out the water and added 100,000 grand a week extra to what we offered. We cant compete with that., they must have 40 squad players now , theyve clearly found a loophole to get around FFP with 7 year contracts which needs to be closed. It will come back to haunt them , theyll have so many players they cant shift.
Lot of fans losing the plot over this , some saying they dont care about the game today ffs get a grip. Hes scored 14 goals in 4 years , yes we need players but that's a huge gamble when we need a partey back up as well .

[Clummo99]

Chelsea have given Mudryk an 8 1/2 year contract. That’s £100m in wages (with possible renegotiations over the course of).

In total a possible £200m outlay on a player that has made just 50 odd appearances in the Ukranian league and a handful in the Champions League.

If anyone still believes that our club don't know what they're doing really have no clue.

Chelsea have spent almost half a billion quid since the summer with only £53m coming in with sales.

[GoonerMuzz]

Personally i feel a lot of the twats losing their shit on twatter aren't capable of stringing 2 thoughts together, he wasn't a position of desperate need, he was massively over valued for a Ukranian 1st division player and we bid the maximum we thought he was worth, incidentally i'm not even convinced he was that desperate to come to us.

I'm also for once going to stick up for the Kroenke's, they have backed us financially for the last few seasons so i'm not convinced they are at fault here, i'm once again looking at Edu and the negotiating team, its their job to convince the Kroenke's a player is worth it, i have the feeling our lot went in with a final bid close to the value and said that's your lot, Shaktar then got a better offer and went with it. Some financial risks are not worth it also add in the player may have got a considerably better offer personally from the Chavs.

As with others my worry is we have once again left ourselves blindly flailing around because this has fallen through and there is no plan B or C

[Gunner Rob]

Not gonna lie, proper pissed off at how this all panned out. The way the player twerked so hard for Arsenal but gave Chelski the encouragement they needed to mount a bid isn’t lost on me. If he said no I only want Arsenal they would have backed down.

And again this falls on the doorstep of the Kroenkes. What do they want out of Arsenal football club, a top 4 side or a team that can challenge for top trophies. If it is the latter they need to stop dithering and having protracted transfer sagas, because this will become the norm for recruitment, we will get hijacked time and time again.

So now we are linked with Raphina, fuck that I would rather give ESR the backing he deserves now he’s approaching match fitness again and go all out for a top draw DM.

This has been discussed many times over the years on here and to be fair to Stan Kroenke he has consistently said that he is not interested in competing for titles- which is why he would obviously not pay over the odds for this player.

[Kingralph]

Imagine if he’s a flop. 8.5 years on however many hundreds of thousands a week. This is a huge risk for the chavs. Not that I care of course.

Interestingly, despite all the photos of him being at the Bridge today, I am yet to see one of him smiling. Even in the picture of him in their shirt he looks super p!ssed off

[Redarmy]

Chelsea have given Mudryk an 8 1/2 year contract. That’s £100m in wages (with possible renegotiations over the course of).

In total a possible £200m outlay on a player that has made just 50 odd appearances in the Ukranian league and a handful in the Champions League.

If anyone still believes that our club don't know what they're doing really have no clue.

Chelsea have spent almost half a billion quid since the summer with only £53m coming in with sales.

Think he got a deflected goal against Monaco other than that his runs at defence basicaly came to nothing......massive risk....time will tell

[Nos89]

Although I wasn't that bothered about the mudryk signing as our priority should be a striker and a midfielder or two, something feels rotten and sour about this transfer. Shaktar basically want money, no concern about player welfare.
Now can we i e edu and arteta go and get Tielemans, Toney and one other midfielder.