Van Persie saga, officially not extending contract.

[kite]

Red:
Imo Cazorla is top class. Not world class but still a very good player. He's not in the same bracket as Iniesta, Silva, Villa... and that's why he's just a substitue for Spain. But still a very good player. Don't forget that the mentioned players are all world class!
Podolski.. I agree with you. There are better german players and I can't see him beeing a starter in 2014. He isn't top class but he is a good squad player.
Don't know enough about Giroud tbh

[J-Calli]

1989

do you really think the club has any ambition to win trophies this season if they are prepared to sell RVP to Man United?
If you do then you must be the most deluded supporter I have ever encountered.

we have so far bought a fading german player, a reserve french player and some unknown spaniard.
and you think that shows ambition to win anything???? or do you consider a top 4 place worthy of a trophy?

I hope you are either drunk or high.

That tops all the bollox I have read, what drivel.

Do you watch football?

[Rocky Number Seven]

Without going off topic (mods feel free to move to a separate thread) I just don't get all the negativity surround Podolski at the moment. The guy has over 100 caps for Germany, scoring on average 1 in 2 in a position where he has had to compete with some of the worlds best in Klose,Gomez and Muller for years and has only just turned 27 years old. He scored 18 goals for a relegated team last season creating little chances. If thats not world class then i dont know what is and these grumbles are allfrom the same posters who were moaning about Chamakh and Park last year... who exactly do you want us to bring in?

[augie]

It seems some folk don't realise how good Cazorla is (or in RedWum's case, don't even know him). I still can't believe we actually got him. He's a £35m player whom due to Malaga's dire situation managed to nab at a bargain price. The guy is top drawer, wait till he plays his first game for us.

Exactly right. We could have a huge star.

Don't know enough about him but this time last year he went to Malaga for 17m and now 12 months later he has signed for us for roughly the same amount so how does that make him a 35m player ? (please no bullshit 17m + 17m =34m cos that wasn't what was meant). He might well be an excellent player but no need to bulk up his value.
Btw can somebody explain to me how the deal for sahin is rumored to be a 12 month loan with a clause giving first call on buying him for 18m when the guy only signed for 8m last summer and he has hardly played since ? How can his value increase by 10m by hardly playing ?

MM99, I don't understand your thought process mate - if we are to accept that rvp is leaving then doesnt it make sense to sell him to juve rather than to a domestic rival ? Who gives a fcuk about why he would want to go to crooked italian league/club cos for us it should be about minimising damage to us so selling him abroad should by the only option regardless of how weak the league or club is that he is going to

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

It seems some folk don't realise how good Cazorla is (or in RedWum's case, don't even know him). I still can't believe we actually got him. He's a £35m player whom due to Malaga's dire situation managed to nab at a bargain price. The guy is top drawer, wait till he plays his first game for us.

Exactly right. We could have a huge star.

Don't know enough about him but this time last year he went to Malaga for 17m and now 12 months later he has signed for us for roughly the same amount so how does that make him a 35m player ? (please no bullshit 17m + 17m =34m cos that wasn't what was meant). He might well be an excellent player but no need to bulk up his value.
Btw can somebody explain to me how the deal for sahin is rumored to be a 12 month loan with a clause giving first call on buying him for 18m when the guy only signed for 8m last summer and he has hardly played since ? How can his value increase by 10m by hardly playing ?

MM99, I don't understand your thought process mate - if we are to accept that rvp is leaving then doesnt it make sense to sell him to juve rather than to a domestic rival ? Who gives a fcuk about why he would want to go to crooked italian league/club cos for us it should be about minimising damage to us so selling him abroad should by the only option regardless of how weak the league or club is that he is going to

I might be wrong but I think the £35m comment is an estimate based on what Malaga may consider if they weren't in the sh1t financially. Seeing as they are we will never know. BUT in a world when Andy Carroll is worth £35m who knows!?!?! What we can be sure of is if Santi was valued at £35m we would not have signed him

RE RvP going to United - cannot agree with you more. It would be a disgrace to sell him to United for an extra £5m

[Sutch]

Red:
Imo Cazorla is top class. Not world class but still a very good player. He's not in the same bracket as Iniesta, Silva, Villa... and that's why he's just a substitue for Spain. But still a very good player. Don't forget that the mentioned players are all world class!
Podolski.. I agree with you. There are better german players and I can't see him beeing a starter in 2014. He isn't top class but he is a good squad player.
Don't know enough about Giroud tbh

What player have you been watching? Podolski is amazing.

[the playing mantis]

think peopel have a downer on pod after he looked so invisible in the euros. admittedly its not good to judge a player on a few hgames, but ppl will as they are high profile and recent, myslef included.

signings are promising no more no less. i have seen too many false dawns and have a longer memeory, than some of u it seems, of some of the garbage AW has wasted money on in recent seasons to be over the moon. i will make my judegements once they have played a bit. but at the moment the negative feelings of last season and the 6 before remain. the team/manager is in negative equity with me and improvemnet on the pitch is needed before i start getting excited and overly optimistic about a new dawn.

the biggest issue is we have stil donr absolutely nothing to reolve our blatant defensive issues. sure the forward line need sprucing up as did creative midfield, but the most urgent issue that needed addressign was the defensive side and nothing has been done.

***please excuse the terrible spelling, its a case of typing too quick and not proof reading...either that or the spirit of boomer has taken over!**

[kite]

Red:
Imo Cazorla is top class. Not world class but still a very good player. He's not in the same bracket as Iniesta, Silva, Villa... and that's why he's just a substitue for Spain. But still a very good player. Don't forget that the mentioned players are all world class!
Podolski.. I agree with you. There are better german players and I can't see him beeing a starter in 2014. He isn't top class but he is a good squad player.
Don't know enough about Giroud tbh

What player have you been watching? Podolski is amazing.

Are you serious? There is not one football fan from germany I know (and I know a lot)who doesn't want him out of the first 11 immediately
I don't want to say he's bad as he isn't but he just isn't top class.

Btw I do follow the Bundesliga and saw him play for Cologne quite often this season

[northbank123]

It seems some folk don't realise how good Cazorla is (or in RedWum's case, don't even know him). I still can't believe we actually got him. He's a £35m player whom due to Malaga's dire situation managed to nab at a bargain price. The guy is top drawer, wait till he plays his first game for us.

Exactly right. We could have a huge star.

Don't know enough about him but this time last year he went to Malaga for 17m and now 12 months later he has signed for us for roughly the same amount so how does that make him a 35m player ? (please no bullshit 17m + 17m =34m cos that wasn't what was meant). He might well be an excellent player but no need to bulk up his value.
Btw can somebody explain to me how the deal for sahin is rumored to be a 12 month loan with a clause giving first call on buying him for 18m when the guy only signed for 8m last summer and he has hardly played since ? How can his value increase by 10m by hardly playing ?

MM99, I don't understand your thought process mate - if we are to accept that rvp is leaving then doesnt it make sense to sell him to juve rather than to a domestic rival ? Who gives a fcuk about why he would want to go to crooked italian league/club cos for us it should be about minimising damage to us so selling him abroad should by the only option regardless of how weak the league or club is that he is going to

It's almost impossible to place an accurate value on a player, what is a £35m player? In fact, both Andy Carroll and Cesc Fabregas. But I would say that Malaga are desperate to sell because of their perilous financial situation and with our notorious stinginess I don't doubt he is worth more than what we paid.

Regarding Sahin I would quite happily take a punt on him, we could pick him up for £10m max. Given his form at Dortmund and that he was never going to break into the Madrid side with his injuries last year I think that could be a great deal, I just worry that this potential loan deal is going to be scuppered by somebody coming in and making a permanent offer for him.

[Red Member]

Kite obviously watches this german football more than most on here and he doesnt rate Podolski so that is good enough for me.

Giroud was a squad player at the Euros in a poor French side. How that is going to make him a world beater in the PL is beyond me. No doubt there was similar excitement on this forum a year ago with the arrival of Gervinho

Cazorla is the big mystery for me. ok I wont comment on him anymore as I have already admitted I had never heard of him before. I just think it is a bit odd that if he is so good how come he hasnt played for a major team before now considering he is already 27! Hopefully he will be as good as everyone on here thinks he will be.
What position does he play by the way? I havent followed any football recently as I have been focused on the Olympics.

[LDB]

Kite obviously watches this german football more than most on here and he doesnt rate Podolski so that is good enough for me.

Giroud was a squad player at the Euros in a poor French side. How that is going to make him a world beater in the PL is beyond me. No doubt there was similar excitement on this forum a year ago with the arrival of Gervinho

Cazorla is the big mystery for me. ok I wont comment on him anymore as I have already admitted I had never heard of him before. I just think it is a bit odd that if he is so good how come he hasnt played for a major team before now considering he is already 27! Hopefully he will be as good as everyone on here thinks he will be.
What position does he play by the way? I havent followed any football recently as I have been focused on the Olympics.

Seriously, are you alright mate?

Cazorla from what I gather is an attacking midfielder/winger. Which probably means Wenger will play him at left back. Which will be Kroenke's fault, am i right?

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

Kite obviously watches this german football more than most on here and he doesnt rate Podolski so that is good enough for me.

Giroud was a squad player at the Euros in a poor French side. How that is going to make him a world beater in the PL is beyond me. No doubt there was similar excitement on this forum a year ago with the arrival of Gervinho

Cazorla is the big mystery for me. ok I wont comment on him anymore as I have already admitted I had never heard of him before. I just think it is a bit odd that if he is so good how come he hasnt played for a major team before now considering he is already 27! Hopefully he will be as good as everyone on here thinks he will be.
What position does he play by the way? I havent followed any football recently as I have been focused on the Olympics.

Giroud was a squad player behind Benzema - no disgrace in my book

Cazorla has 40+ caps for spain - Arteta 0 (he's not even a squad player is he rubbish?)

Podolski has 90+ caps at 27. The reason he played for a relegation side is that he didn't hack it at Bayern due to the pressure and style of play. Some players just don't gel with a club (Bergkamp at Inter anyone) but the boy is class.

[Red Member]

ok I get it now then

he will play in the Wilshere role as Wilshere is still resting his legs.

quite a good move. Arsene knows still then I take it

[mikeyb772001]

Kite obviously watches this german football more than most on here and he doesnt rate Podolski so that is good enough for me.

Giroud was a squad player at the Euros in a poor French side. How that is going to make him a world beater in the PL is beyond me. No doubt there was similar excitement on this forum a year ago with the arrival of Gervinho

Cazorla is the big mystery for me. ok I wont comment on him anymore as I have already admitted I had never heard of him before. I just think it is a bit odd that if he is so good how come he hasnt played for a major team before now considering he is already 27! Hopefully he will be as good as everyone on here thinks he will be.
What position does he play by the way? I havent followed any football recently as I have been focused on the Olympics.

Giroud was a squad player behind Benzema - no disgrace in my book

Cazorla has 40+ caps for spain - Arteta 0 (he's not even a squad player is he rubbish?)

Podolski has 90+ caps at 27. The reason he played for a relegation side is that he didn't hack it at Bayern due to the pressure and style of play. Some players just don't gel with a club (Bergkamp at Inter anyone) but the boy is class.

Also Cazorla has arguably has the 2 best midfielders in the world in front of him, in the pecking order. Even Cesc struggles to get in the team.

Giroud can’t be classed in the same standard as Gervy or Cham. Neither had ever scored more than 15 goals in there whole careers.

I wasn’t excited about Gerv in the slightest, nor was I about many other recent signings.

Don’t get it twisted Cazorla is a REAL talent. He could prove to be one of the best players in the prem.

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

ok I get it now then

he will play in the Wilshere role as Wilshere is still resting his legs.

quite a good move. Arsene knows still then I take it

Still a long way to go squad wise. But no point knocking the manager on the quality of players he's brought in thus far. Could do with one or two additionals.