The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[GranadaJoe]

I see Theresa May will shortly be arriving in Brussels, can't see that going well

What confuses me about Brexit is that instead of freeing us up it will actually give us LESS POWER.
We will actually have to do as the EU wants now. Instead of being a major power in the organisation dictating what we will and wont do, we are now just this little pathetic island that nobody really gives a shit about. The thing is we have to act nice to them in order to secure trade deals, as the EU are our biggest trade partner. Crazy stuff.

You certainly do seem confused.

Do you believe we were dictating to the EU what we did and didn't do?? Could you offer us any examples?

And this 'pathetic little island' happens to be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has a permanent place on the UN Security Council, has gifted the world the English language etc.

Countries agree trade deals if it suits them both. Mercedes sells 20% of its cars into the UK and overall the EU sells much more to us than we sell to them, so it's reasonable to conclude that they will be as keen to maintain good trading relationships with us as we will with them.

[Henry Norris 1913]

DB10, augie- are we really like you guys now?

[flash gunner]

Im looking forward to 23rd of June next year when i can wish Chippy a Happy Independence day

[DB10GOONER]

DB10, augie- are we really like you guys now?

Not until you come over here and fuck all our women, you ain't, buddy!

[DB10GOONER]

Hardly less United than ever when you're looking at constituent countries. Tories have returned 4 MPs in 5 elections in Scotland and they haven't won a third of the seats there since the 50s. Their electoral performance in Wales is similarly shocking. Yet these countries will have been living under Tory rule for 28 of the past 41 years by 2020.

You can interpret statistics however you want and just as lambasting old people for generally voting leave because this supposedly shows that they don't care about the country's future, you could equally interpret the correlation between a university education and voting remain as suggesting that this is because the EU benefits the better-off.

I'm just making a point and not saying I agree with that. Although I know a truckload of people my age who have spent six weeks interrailing around Europe or a year dossing around at university in Prague or whatever and let's just say that none of them came from humble backgrounds.

It is the north of England that I am focusing on and made some quite subjective comments. You can lambast people, it doesn't matter what age they are if they didn't make a measured informed decision on their vote. This comes up time and time again on this thread. People are getting too precious about it. The stats never lie in football just like they don't in politics.

If a stat suggests large swathes of the north, predominantly working classes and older people voted brexit. It is what it says on the tin. You can interpret it umpteen ways but it comes back to exactly the same thing.

So Denilson IS the best passer of the ball ever at Arsenal?

What the fucking fuck??!!

Flash - why haven't you banned Nut Flush for his stats statement above? WTF? Do I have to do all the fucking work around here??!!

Nut Flush - every single thing you have ever posted on here has now been deemed "fucking horseshit" because of your stats statement above.



But seriously; the single biggest lie in football is unqualified stats. As my lazy colleague Flash has pointed out, if you believe the stats then Fucking Useless LegoHeaded Cuntwing Denilson was not only the best passer of a football at The Arsenal but also in the entire PL. And he was, if we ONLY count useless 5 yard chickenshit passes that led to fucking nothing.

[flash gunner]

He deserved to be banned , i apologise for not doing so Thought i was the only one who noticed this shit



You have ruined any credibility you once had though nutty

[Gunner Rob]

I see Theresa May will shortly be arriving in Brussels, can't see that going well

What confuses me about Brexit is that instead of freeing us up it will actually give us LESS POWER.
We will actually have to do as the EU wants now. Instead of being a major power in the organisation dictating what we will and wont do, we are now just this little pathetic island that nobody really gives a shit about. The thing is we have to act nice to them in order to secure trade deals, as the EU are our biggest trade partner. Crazy stuff.

You certainly do seem confused.

Do you believe we were dictating to the EU what we did and didn't do?? Could you offer us any examples?

And this 'pathetic little island' happens to be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has a permanent place on the UN Security Council, has gifted the world the English language etc.

Countries agree trade deals if it suits them both. Mercedes sells 20% of its cars into the UK and overall the EU sells much more to us than we sell to them, so it's reasonable to conclude that they will be as keen to maintain good trading relationships with us as we will with them.

I don't think you really get it.
The EU cannot dictate anything that hasn't been decided by its members, the U.K. being one of them.
As you say we are the fifth biggest economy in the world and so a major power within the EU.

However if we are outside of the EU, yes we are still the fifth biggest economy in the world (for now) but we will have far less influence over the EU than before. Yes the UK would become one of the EU’s largest export markets, even if not necessarily the largest. But we’d still be far less important to the EU than they are to us. And look at investment, a lot of companies are only in the UK because we are in the EU. What happens to them? The EU needs to do a trade deal BUT it will only do so on its terms, and it will make the UK pay heavily for leaving. In which case you have to ask what is the point of leaving? We are clearly not going to be any better off, and most likely we will be worse off.

We also still need immigration as we have an ageing population. Ever care to think about who is going to support all the old people which are increasing at a scary rate. There is also a massive skills shortage, the gap of which is currently plugged by migrants.

The whole thing is a completely unnecessary mess. There will be a "hard" brexit or no brexit at all, and the odds are seriously stacked in favour of the latter when the full consequences of leaving the EU are spelt out to the public over the coming months.

[nut flush gooner]

I see Theresa May will shortly be arriving in Brussels, can't see that going well

What confuses me about Brexit is that instead of freeing us up it will actually give us LESS POWER.
We will actually have to do as the EU wants now. Instead of being a major power in the organisation dictating what we will and wont do, we are now just this little pathetic island that nobody really gives a shit about. The thing is we have to act nice to them in order to secure trade deals, as the EU are our biggest trade partner. Crazy stuff.

You certainly do seem confused.

Do you believe we were dictating to the EU what we did and didn't do?? Could you offer us any examples?

And this 'pathetic little island' happens to be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has a permanent place on the UN Security Council, has gifted the world the English language etc.

Countries agree trade deals if it suits them both. Mercedes sells 20% of its cars into the UK and overall the EU sells much more to us than we sell to them, so it's reasonable to conclude that they will be as keen to maintain good trading relationships with us as we will with them.

We are now the sixth biggest economy in the world as a result of our weak currency, France pretty much overtook us when the votes where counted. India are now breathing down our necks. I mean Disunited Kingdom couldn't even make it into the top four and we want Wenger out .

With regards to trade deals we need to export more, but specifically looking at the Germans they want a slice of the massive Financial Services pie that we control. If the EU denies pass-porting rights are we just going to sit there and say OK send your Beamers and Mercs over we wont tax or tarrif's them while you get your pesky mitts on billions of pounds worth of trade at our expense? That's what hard Brexit does, rubs the Europeans up the wrong way and in no way creates a situation where tariff free trade is discussed.

It's more about damage limitation. That is why Theresa May has said to Nissan that if they have to suffer financial penalties in respect of exports, that the UK government would cover any financial losses they suffer. TM wouldn't make that public if she didn't see this as a reality.

You can dress the argument/discussion up any way you like but there is no economic justification for leaving the EU, unless we want to be poorer.

Going back to the size of our economy, it's one sixth the size of the US the worlds largest economy. Pretty poor 6th if you ask me.

[nut flush gooner]

I see Theresa May will shortly be arriving in Brussels, can't see that going well

What confuses me about Brexit is that instead of freeing us up it will actually give us LESS POWER.
We will actually have to do as the EU wants now. Instead of being a major power in the organisation dictating what we will and wont do, we are now just this little pathetic island that nobody really gives a shit about. The thing is we have to act nice to them in order to secure trade deals, as the EU are our biggest trade partner. Crazy stuff.

You certainly do seem confused.

Do you believe we were dictating to the EU what we did and didn't do?? Could you offer us any examples?

And this 'pathetic little island' happens to be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has a permanent place on the UN Security Council, has gifted the world the English language etc.

Countries agree trade deals if it suits them both. Mercedes sells 20% of its cars into the UK and overall the EU sells much more to us than we sell to them, so it's reasonable to conclude that they will be as keen to maintain good trading relationships with us as we will with them.

I don't think you really get it.
The EU cannot dictate anything that hasn't been decided by its members, the U.K. being one of them.
As you say we are the fifth biggest economy in the world and so a major power within the EU.

However if we are outside of the EU, yes we are still the fifth biggest economy in the world (for now) but we will have far less influence over the EU than before. Yes the UK would become one of the EU’s largest export markets, even if not necessarily the largest. But we’d still be far less important to the EU than they are to us. And look at investment, a lot of companies are only in the UK because we are in the EU. What happens to them? The EU needs to do a trade deal BUT it will only do so on its terms, and it will make the UK pay heavily for leaving. In which case you have to ask what is the point of leaving? We are clearly not going to be any better off, and most likely we will be worse off.

We also still need immigration as we have an ageing population. Ever care to think about who is going to support all the old people which are increasing at a scary rate. There is also a massive skills shortage, the gap of which is currently plugged by migrants.

The whole thing is a completely unnecessary mess. There will be a "hard" brexit or no brexit at all, and the odds are seriously stacked in favour of the latter when the full consequences of leaving the EU are spelt out to the public over the coming months.

Don't try and explain Foreign Direct Investment. Most Brexiteers don't even consider it as part of the equation.

[Allgunsblazin]

I sleep well at night whilst Maggie May sorts the Brussels Sprouts out!
In the 70's EEC the exchange rate was worse than it is now but our exporters must be kerchinging all the way to the bank!

[olgitgooner]

I see Theresa May will shortly be arriving in Brussels, can't see that going well

What confuses me about Brexit is that instead of freeing us up it will actually give us LESS POWER.
We will actually have to do as the EU wants now. Instead of being a major power in the organisation dictating what we will and wont do, we are now just this little pathetic island that nobody really gives a shit about. The thing is we have to act nice to them in order to secure trade deals, as the EU are our biggest trade partner. Crazy stuff.

You certainly do seem confused.

Do you believe we were dictating to the EU what we did and didn't do?? Could you offer us any examples?

And this 'pathetic little island' happens to be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has a permanent place on the UN Security Council, has gifted the world the English language etc.

Countries agree trade deals if it suits them both. Mercedes sells 20% of its cars into the UK and overall the EU sells much more to us than we sell to them, so it's reasonable to conclude that they will be as keen to maintain good trading relationships with us as we will with them.

I don't think you really get it.
The EU cannot dictate anything that hasn't been decided by its members, the U.K. being one of them.
As you say we are the fifth biggest economy in the world and so a major power within the EU.

However if we are outside of the EU, yes we are still the fifth biggest economy in the world (for now) but we will have far less influence over the EU than before. Yes the UK would become one of the EU’s largest export markets, even if not necessarily the largest. But we’d still be far less important to the EU than they are to us. And look at investment, a lot of companies are only in the UK because we are in the EU. What happens to them? The EU needs to do a trade deal BUT it will only do so on its terms, and it will make the UK pay heavily for leaving. In which case you have to ask what is the point of leaving? We are clearly not going to be any better off, and most likely we will be worse off.

We also still need immigration as we have an ageing population. Ever care to think about who is going to support all the old people which are increasing at a scary rate. There is also a massive skills shortage, the gap of which is currently plugged by migrants.

The whole thing is a completely unnecessary mess. There will be a "hard" brexit or no brexit at all, and the odds are seriously stacked in favour of the latter when the full consequences of leaving the EU are spelt out to the public over the coming months.

Don't try and explain Foreign Direct Investment. Most Brexiteers don't even consider it as part of the equation.

There you go again Nutflash. Another piss poor assumption. Brexiteers are thick. Don't understand foreign investment.

There is still plenty of inward investment. Hey, but don't let hard facts get in the way of your Project Fear campaign.

[Allgunsblazin]

I see Theresa May will shortly be arriving in Brussels, can't see that going well

What confuses me about Brexit is that instead of freeing us up it will actually give us LESS POWER.
We will actually have to do as the EU wants now. Instead of being a major power in the organisation dictating what we will and wont do, we are now just this little pathetic island that nobody really gives a shit about. The thing is we have to act nice to them in order to secure trade deals, as the EU are our biggest trade partner. Crazy stuff.

You certainly do seem confused.

Do you believe we were dictating to the EU what we did and didn't do?? Could you offer us any examples?

And this 'pathetic little island' happens to be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has a permanent place on the UN Security Council, has gifted the world the English language etc.

Countries agree trade deals if it suits them both. Mercedes sells 20% of its cars into the UK and overall the EU sells much more to us than we sell to them, so it's reasonable to conclude that they will be as keen to maintain good trading relationships with us as we will with them.

I don't think you really get it.
The EU cannot dictate anything that hasn't been decided by its members, the U.K. being one of them.
As you say we are the fifth biggest economy in the world and so a major power within the EU.

However if we are outside of the EU, yes we are still the fifth biggest economy in the world (for now) but we will have far less influence over the EU than before. Yes the UK would become one of the EU’s largest export markets, even if not necessarily the largest. But we’d still be far less important to the EU than they are to us. And look at investment, a lot of companies are only in the UK because we are in the EU. What happens to them? The EU needs to do a trade deal BUT it will only do so on its terms, and it will make the UK pay heavily for leaving. In which case you have to ask what is the point of leaving? We are clearly not going to be any better off, and most likely we will be worse off.

We also still need immigration as we have an ageing population. Ever care to think about who is going to support all the old people which are increasing at a scary rate. There is also a massive skills shortage, the gap of which is currently plugged by migrants.

The whole thing is a completely unnecessary mess. There will be a "hard" brexit or no brexit at all, and the odds are seriously stacked in favour of the latter when the full consequences of leaving the EU are spelt out to the public over the coming months.

Don't try and explain Foreign Direct Investment. Most Brexiteers don't even consider it as part of the equation.

There you go again Nutflash. Another piss poor assumption. Brexiteers are thick. Don't understand foreign investment.

There is still plenty of inward investment. Hey, but don't let hard facts get in the way of your Project Fear campaign.

I remember and will never forget how the media were stunned at the result, and the BBC were in mourning black...
Their only comeback was to SELECTIVELY interview a few dimwits about why they voted OUT, and this was their take on the 52% majority, propaganda Goebbels would have been proud of....

[nut flush gooner]

I see Theresa May will shortly be arriving in Brussels, can't see that going well

What confuses me about Brexit is that instead of freeing us up it will actually give us LESS POWER.
We will actually have to do as the EU wants now. Instead of being a major power in the organisation dictating what we will and wont do, we are now just this little pathetic island that nobody really gives a shit about. The thing is we have to act nice to them in order to secure trade deals, as the EU are our biggest trade partner. Crazy stuff.

You certainly do seem confused.

Do you believe we were dictating to the EU what we did and didn't do?? Could you offer us any examples?

And this 'pathetic little island' happens to be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has a permanent place on the UN Security Council, has gifted the world the English language etc.

Countries agree trade deals if it suits them both. Mercedes sells 20% of its cars into the UK and overall the EU sells much more to us than we sell to them, so it's reasonable to conclude that they will be as keen to maintain good trading relationships with us as we will with them.

I don't think you really get it.
The EU cannot dictate anything that hasn't been decided by its members, the U.K. being one of them.
As you say we are the fifth biggest economy in the world and so a major power within the EU.

However if we are outside of the EU, yes we are still the fifth biggest economy in the world (for now) but we will have far less influence over the EU than before. Yes the UK would become one of the EU’s largest export markets, even if not necessarily the largest. But we’d still be far less important to the EU than they are to us. And look at investment, a lot of companies are only in the UK because we are in the EU. What happens to them? The EU needs to do a trade deal BUT it will only do so on its terms, and it will make the UK pay heavily for leaving. In which case you have to ask what is the point of leaving? We are clearly not going to be any better off, and most likely we will be worse off.

We also still need immigration as we have an ageing population. Ever care to think about who is going to support all the old people which are increasing at a scary rate. There is also a massive skills shortage, the gap of which is currently plugged by migrants.

The whole thing is a completely unnecessary mess. There will be a "hard" brexit or no brexit at all, and the odds are seriously stacked in favour of the latter when the full consequences of leaving the EU are spelt out to the public over the coming months.

Don't try and explain Foreign Direct Investment. Most Brexiteers don't even consider it as part of the equation.

There you go again Nutflash. Another piss poor assumption. Brexiteers are thick. Don't understand foreign investment.

There is still plenty of inward investment. Hey, but don't let hard facts get in the way of your Project Fear campaign.

Where does it say "understand" in the text I wrote? Big difference between consider and understand imo,

So now we are on the subject of FDI, I have for several months on and off this thread said that the impact of Brexit on FDI will be negative, especially if we have a hard brexit. Don't just think about FDI as car manufacturers there are hundreds of start up offshoots from US tech firms. The Americans need a route into Europe without any barriers to entry, if we can't provide them they will either go to Ireland with the cultural links or directly into one of the member states. The same applies for the Chinese, Indians and many other nations that have a UK presence.

Why is it you only choose to debate what suits you, and quite often have nothing to say when anything you post is questioned.

[northbank123]

Bit bemused because walking into work this morning I didn't see any looting, feral canines or blazing buildings.

Or is the sky only going to fall in when we trigger article 50? Or actually leave? I forget.

[DB10GOONER]

Bit bemused because walking into work this morning I didn't see any looting, feral canines or blazing buildings.

Or is the sky only going to fall in when we trigger article 50? Or actually leave? I forget.

I'm struggling to believe you walked anywhere, mate. Were you not grabbed by the cops and thrown in a cell for rape?