THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

Nice username Baul

Part of my surname and my old primary school mates made up the rest, It kinda stuck!!

Judging by your posts about not protesting against Wenger, THE single biggest problem at the club, I reckon your mates got it right.........

[robbo10]

Oh poor Arsene, the mean men cursed at him . Firstly, no one was assaulted, secondly, he was told to fuck off, nothing personal was said against him. Also, think of it from this perspective, those fans that shouted abuse, travelled up to Stoke, and witnessed a cowardly performance, and at stage your going to be angry. This bullshit of making Wenger the victim is what I expect of an AKB. This is an arrogant muppet, who lashes out at anyone who criticises him, but the fans should stay quiet. When he said fans should go to a game and judge was it worth the price they paid(while earning millions himself) then he deserved every bit of abuse against him from that point on.

Spot on.

[g88ner]

I am sad that he is a shadow of the manager he once was, like a man in quicksand unable to get out, flailing around for a tree branch or a rope to get him out of his predicament.

If only that was true Quartz.

Change "quicksand" for £8m a year.... change "flailing around" with arrogantly refusing to consider defending and organisation as worthy of his time... and change "get him out of his predicament" with selfishly and greedily jumping back in for a new contract even though he's clearly a busted flush.

Wenger has made a mess of things for about six seasons now.

But do people really think he is deliberately trying to lose games?

I think he is a man who badly lost his way, but he is not some sort of fifth columnist trying to ruin the club.

Turn the question around... do you really believe he's doing everything possible to win? - I certainly don't. 6 defenders in the squad is a piss take.

[augie]

SteveO

If there was a proper utilisation of talents as One Bard has suggested it would be a more effective and dignified way to pressure for a new manager.

How do you stop the abuse at Wenger?

If you are there you say something, it might (and has done at some games) lead to a fight but that is the way of the world.

Or you write on here and put forward your point of view.

An old man facing a gauntlet of hate because he is messing up running a football club?

I am opposed to Wenger but I do not hate him.

I am sad that he is a shadow of the manager he once was, like a man in quicksand unable to get out, flailing around for a tree branch or a rope to get him out of his predicament.

I'm not having that quartz - as others have already said, the old man bit has no place in this argument because it paints a different image than the reality. This old man is coining £8m per and is not being forced by the board to justify that wage and he has no inclination to give a realistic appraisal of his own performance so I think that you should spare your pity for those more deserving.

In the second highlighted bit you suggest that he is flailing around look for something to help him get out of the quicksand (mess) he is in......again that is not an accurate comparison imo - wenker has a way of escaping the quicksand by resigning but his pride and arrogance stops him doing just that. A man really stuck in quicksand will 99.99% of the time opt for the most obvious route out and it is impossible to feel pity for a man who is sinking in a pile of shite that was created by himself.

Btw quartz, you stated that the existing supporters groups were created with different agendas but what are those agendas cos I don't see any agenda in motion Your suggestion to set up another supporters group is a long term solution to a problem that has already been allowed carry on too long. The moral outrage (by some Gooners) to this 5 second incident is really ridiculous - I understand some would feel uncomfortable watching it but, like DB10 says, I absolutely defend the rights of our fans to shout at him in that manner and to call it disgraceful is disrespectful to fans who shell out thousands of pounds but have been allowed no platform to air their grievances rationally.

Finally Quartz you will know that I have great respect for your views and I admire the way you put your views across so don't take this as a personal attack on you but the statement below is one of the saddest statements I have read from any Gooner -

"The big picture is that we are not going to win the league under Wenger and the sooner fans realise that the sooner fans will not go berzerk at a loss"

It's reads like the first line in the Losers Manual - in other words don't expect much so that losing wont hurt This mindset is what has made le cock into the unambitious manager that we see before us in recent years. It is statements like that, that run through the "4th place is king" akb mentality and that seriously pisses me off

[SteveO 35]

Arsenal's "gauntlet of hate"

300 fans left in a rapidly emptying stadium doing some mild booing and tutting, and 3 drunken oiks telling Joel Campbell he should get out while he can and booing the manager. One of them even shouted "tosser" and another "get out of our club"

From Hertfordshire to China the passion is going to spill over one day to the point that there will be six unsold seats at the Emirates Cup and sales of the new kit will be 2% down on the previous year

[baulbag]

Nice username Baul

Part of my surname and my old primary school mates made up the rest, It kinda stuck!!

Judging by your posts about not protesting against Wenger, THE single biggest problem at the club, I reckon your mates got it right.........

Oh they've got the concept right mate, my nickname fits the personality!

I do want Wenger out but want to be balanced in my opinion.

I've been on this forum for less than a week. To come on here with strong judgements, slagging people off and appearing to jump on a band wagon will make me look like even more of a Baulbag.

I have my views, but will try to integrate them slowly.

[officepest]

Nice username Baul

Part of my surname and my old primary school mates made up the rest, It kinda stuck!!

Judging by your posts about not protesting against Wenger, THE single biggest problem at the club, I reckon your mates got it right.........

Oh they've got the concept right mate, my nickname fits the personality!

I do want Wenger out but want to be balanced in my opinion.

I've been on this forum for less than a week. To come on here with strong judgements, slagging people off and appearing to jump on a band wagon will make me look like even more of a Baulbag.

I have my views, but will try to integrate them slowly.

I duuno mate, it's pretty much par for the course here.

[Henry Norris 1913]

what your saying baulbag is, judge you in may

heard it before, and I didn't like it then

baulbag out

[g88ner]

Arsenal's "gauntlet of hate"

300 fans left in a rapidly emptying stadium doing some mild booing and tutting, and 3 drunken oiks telling Joel Campbell he should get out while he can and booing the manager. One of them even shouted "tosser" and another "get out of our club"

From Hertfordshire to China the passion is going to spill over one day to the point that there will be six unsold seats at the Emirates Cup and sales of the new kit will be 2% down on the previous year

A small bunch of angry men shouting and swearing at a famous person with a police escort from a safe distance at a train station in Stoke on Trent.

FFS they even did what they were told and stayed within their allocated area to allow the person they were angry at safe passage onto the train.

Shocking stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9xuXQjxMM

It's a storm in a teacup, but if it adds to the narrative that Wenger is not wanted here, then great.

[OneBardGooner]

To try and answer criticisms of my views Ikechukwu, Northbank123, Armchair and Officepest:

My dislike of what happened at the station is far from a Daily Mail outrage.
It went beyond swearing, it was nasty and juvenile...the way he was singled out.

Just because other managers have had worse overseas does not excuse it.

As for Wenger single handedly destroying our club, I suggest people consider the owner and his vision or lack of it?

I am not trivialising anything.
The way some people on here write is as if they really think Wenger is on a mission to bring down the club!

We are not in the position I want us to be in.
The faults are many (962 pages and counting!) and long-term.
But if shouting in the face of a 65 year old man is "Doing something about it" then I am far removed from that.

I say again, Wenger is here until summer 2017 barring relegation or a scandal.

It is worth a campaign, but I cannot see it succeeding.
More that the campaign would let Gazidis know that no further contract should be offered, because that is a possibility under Kroenke.

The only time Wenger came close to a scandal - when he was knobbing that female French DJ in the hotel (allegedly) - and the Arsenal lawyers were on that so fast even the scum paper and all the other inbred newspapers shut up and crawled away quicker than a half crushed cockroach...so unless something REALLY bad get's him on the front page - I mean besides his ineptitude as a manager and tactician I just don't see that happening.


The only way things might be changed for the better besides the wigcunt fucking off and Wenger actually resigning is if David Dein was brought back in to oversee the transfers and all the stuff he used to handle away from the board room.

[baulbag]

what your saying baulbag is, judge you in may

heard it before, and I didn't like it then

baulbag out

Baulbag out, He's a cun.t... Seconded.

So much for my non-controversial comments so i can nestle quietly in to the Gooner community!

[armchair]

I can just picture Wenger, wrapped up in his sleepjng bag, rocking back and forth in his darkened treatment room mumbling over and over again to Diaby something about 30 years and half a day in football.

Wonder if he'll put in a compo claim for PTSD? After all hes just an poor old man who had to run a gauntlet of hate.

[officepest]

I can just picture Wenger, wrapped up in his sleepjng bag, rocking back and forth in his darkened treatment room mumbling over and over again to Diaby something about 30 years and half a day in football.

Wonder if he'll put in a compo claim for PTSD? After all hes just an poor old man who had to run a gauntlet of hate.

Coming to a cinema near you:

Arsene Wenger and the Gauntlet of Hate.

Ian McKellen is on board to play Uncle Arsene and Michael Bay will direct. Stuff will get blown up, will probably have robots.

[BFG4]

I can just picture Wenger, wrapped up in his sleepjng bag, rocking back and forth in his darkened treatment room mumbling over and over again to Diaby something about 30 years and half a day in football.

Wonder if he'll put in a compo claim for PTSD? After all hes just an poor old man who had to run a gauntlet of hate.

Those vicious bastards hurting him with their words. They should be arrested for verbal abuse on a feeble old man.

[QuartzGooner]

G88ner

I sincerely believe Wenger himself cannot understand why his methods are not working.
The transfer, tactical and organisational flaws are mainly so obvious that we can all see them, the pundits can, the coaches can, and so can the players.

Wenger himself presided over the 1998 - 2005 era teams that were built on solid defence mixed with fast powerful attack.
It is an extraordinary feature of the second half of Wenger's tenure that having tried to re-invent the wheel with his smaller lighter players, then persisted with them when they were proven not to work in the Premier League.

The injuries may well be largely due to what DB10Gooner pointed out, the prevalence of smaller less muscled players less able to cope with heavy challenges, though I think there may be additional reasons related to training methods and warm-up routines. Of these latter issues, Wenger has undertaken an investigation.

He took the new contract because he genuinely believes he can still win the league. It is sad, misguided, and to me not based on anything he has done in the last nine seasons but there you go.

Yes, his public persona is quite arrogant, even prickly, and that has come as he has been criticised 2006 onwards.

Augie

This old man is coining £8m per and is not being forced by the board to justify that wage

I think that in Kroenke's eyes Wenger has presided over a profitable business.
I truly believe Kroenke has a business formula that says "Fourth place will earn a profit, but to win the title we need to spend more on transfers than we would win from prize money and tv rights so let's keep to fourth place."

you suggest that he is flailing around look for something to help him get out of the quicksand (mess) he is in......again that is not an accurate comparison imo - wenker has a way of escaping the quicksand by resigning but his pride and arrogance stops him doing just that.

As I wrote above to G88ner, I really think Wenger believes he is still a competitor.

Btw quartz, you stated that the existing supporters groups were created with different agendas but what are those agendas cos I don't see any agenda in motion

I am not a member of any supporters group but from the outside looking in I see them as:

Supporters Club - old school sociable and discussion group.

AISA - A little like the above but set up to promote fans' concerns with how the club is being run and the team is performing, plus minor stadium issues.

AST - Concerned with finance and share ownership and debenture ownership, now largely irrelevant.

Red Action - a pressure group campaigning for better atmosphere at home games.

BSM/We Want Our Arsenal Back - Fans group campaigning against the corporatisation of Arsenal since 2006 (and to an extent football in general since 1992). Promotes atmosphere at games and "fairer" ticket prices taking into account membership length and loyalty.

None of the above campaigns for a new manager, though it can be argued that such a campaign is within the AISA remit?

Finally Quartz you will know that I have great respect for your views and I admire the way you put your views across so don't take this as a personal attack on you but the statement below is one of the saddest statements I have read from any Gooner -

"The big picture is that we are not going to win the league under Wenger and the sooner fans realise that the sooner fans will not go berzerk at a loss"

I speak from the experience of a number of friends and very loyal fans who have been life supporters and season ticket holders and followed us home and away, spent many hours texting and on Forums and reading the papers.
They shake their head and know that we ceased to be competitive, where competitive means having a genuine chance of and ambition towards the league title.
Even with the extra money behind our rivals and less funds for our team around 2006 - 2012, we largely did this to ourselves.
Not by moving stadium, but by changing a winning formula on the pitch.
It is why I want Wenger out.

The penny dropped for me during the 2010 - 2011 season, as a result of watching how the squad was assembled and from discussions on here and from reading arsenalnewsreview.co.uk where both you and I have had several letters published.

It is not at all the same as being a Wenger supporter, or celebrating fourth place.
It is just knowing that at very best this squad will finish third, likely fourth, and possibly fifth.

It is knowing this over a few seasons, so that it is no shock, no surprise.
We are not good enough, and working myself into a stupour or getting violently angry will not change that.
We are far from the level of Man City and Chelsea, have been for years, and I expect to lose against them every season until Wenger goes.

We no longer have the basics of a defence.
It is not the competitive aspirational club that it was in 1998.

A rough comparisons I might make is during the peak years of Mike Tyson.
Did you expect his opponents to win?
The fights were a foregone conclusion.

After seeing him demolish Trevor Berbick to win the title I said that the only one who can beat Tyson is Tyson himself, and that is what happened against Buster Douglas, when an undertrained, depressed, alchohol and cocaine fuelled Tyson no longer had enough left to beat a respectable and strong but technically inferior opponent.