THE WENGER THREAD

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You're forgetting all those fourth place trophys, calendar year trophys, most clean sheet trophys and financially sustainable trophys Wenger has filled the Emirates trophy room with. Surely these make him our most successful manager ever?

In all seriousness, he is.

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How many of the top clubs in Europe would take Wenger this season or at the end of the season?

I know that almost all of the "also-ran" sides (Liverpool) would take him tomorrow, but of the title challengers in each country who would have him?

If top jobs became available tomorrow (for example, if Guardiola had to leave Bayern for person reasons), who'd take him on?

I would imagine he would get any job he wanted on the world. Seriously and it's possible he would do really well with them. Things have gone stale at Arsenal and have been for 5 years or more but hes a decent manager and at another club he could do well IMO

I disagree completely. He used to be a good manager. The reality is that if you judge him since 2006, he is an average manager. Your characterisation of 'decent' is that he is able to finish above a bunch of mediocre teams, and come no where near challenging teams with actual quality. If he went somewhere else, he would have no tactics, which is obviously a must in every day football. He would penny pinch over signings also. I admit that if he went somewhere else, he would be highly respected by the players he was coaching, but after experiencing his shit management for long enough, they would lose respect for him.

Sorry mate don't agree

Way to argue your point

Made my views clear in my first post just wanted to tell you I don't agree. Not everything on here has to be a big debate, argument or slanging match. Just thought I'd be courteous enough to reply to your post aimed at me

[flash gunner]

How many of the top clubs in Europe would take Wenger this season or at the end of the season?

I know that almost all of the "also-ran" sides (Liverpool) would take him tomorrow, but of the title challengers in each country who would have him?

If top jobs became available tomorrow (for example, if Guardiola had to leave Bayern for person reasons), who'd take him on?

I would imagine he would get any job he wanted on the world. Seriously and it's possible he would do really well with them. Things have gone stale at Arsenal and have been for 5 years or more but hes a decent manager and at another club he could do well IMO

That's comedy gold that...I can imagine Bayern and Real scrambling to boot Carlo and Pep out
You do know his managerial trophy record is no better than Martinez over a 10-year period right? It's almost like you don't actually watch any football. But I forget, we're lucky he's still here Arsene

Who said anything about sacking them for him????? Who said we're lucky to have him???? I said if a top job become available he'd be up there to get it.

Come on Baba try reading the fucking posts the foam from your mouth from all the hatred is getting in your eyes

[Brady's left peg]

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I can't wait till Baba, goonersid, Augie, Falkirk Goon and Bard read the last paragraph of this one.

Wenger is a doer. I want him to continue making the ‘mistake’ of finishing top four and securing Champions League last-16 qualification. I’m off to make a banner

ONE CHRIS TORONYI......THERE'S ONLY ONE CHRIS TORONYI



Must be one of Paddy's 'little helpers' down at the LES

What do you expect... he's American. Probably too afraid of upsetting wiggy to tell the truth. You only have to look at his group of twatter friends to know what his views would be.... There's only one Arse... I'll leave it for SteveO to finish off.

[flash gunner]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... 19300.html

I can't wait till Baba, goonersid, Augie, Falkirk Goon and Bard read the last paragraph of this one.

Wenger is a doer. I want him to continue making the ‘mistake’ of finishing top four and securing Champions League last-16 qualification. I’m off to make a banner

ONE CHRIS TORONYI......THERE'S ONLY ONE CHRIS TORONYI



Must be one of Paddy's 'little helpers' down at the LES

Why do you wind yourself up SteveO? I want him gone as much as anyone and reading AKB *word censored* annoys me, so I dont

[safcftm]

Crazy how split the fan base seem to be about Wenger, is anyone "on the fence" or have most taken sides by now. Seems a fairly complicated issue and, from the outside, I'd find it hard to really come down on one side or the other.

[OneBardGooner]

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I suppose so, just find it odd that some can be so vehemently opposed to him whilst others are so supportive with, seemingly, very little middle ground. I think i'd be a "fence sitter" on this one like, but then you lot will know a lot more about it than me!

[OneBardGooner]

Mind you try telling THAT to the AKB Sheeple

[OneBardGooner]

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I suppose so, just find it odd that some can be so vehemently opposed to him whilst others are so supportive with, seemingly, very little middle ground. I think i'd be a "fence sitter" on this one like, but then you lot will know a lot more about it than me!

Things always look different from the outside mate - Just as we see things differently to Mackem fans aboot your lot like

[safcftm]

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I suppose so, just find it odd that some can be so vehemently opposed to him whilst others are so supportive with, seemingly, very little middle ground. I think i'd be a "fence sitter" on this one like, but then you lot will know a lot more about it than me!

Things always look different from the outside mate - Just as we see things differently to Mackem fans aboot your lot like

Aye I guess so. I'm not trying to stick up for wenger as such because, as mentioned, I don't know the ins and outs of it but it does seem odd that he's getting so much stick when the club have moved and have had to (I would presume) cut their cloth financially due to the new stadium. Staying top 4 consistently seems on the face of it to be decent and Ozil and Sanchez signing would suggest that the time is now coming, with the club on a good financial footing, for money to be spent.

FFP makes it hard to suddenly spend £150m unless you are very creative with the incoming funds so I don't really see how Wenger can spend a whole lot more than he is. I would expect to see Arsenal kick on over the next 3-5 seasons like and go back to challenging at the top but its become a whole lot more difficult now that Chelsea and Man City can attract, and pay, top players in addition to having Man United who will always be a financial powerhouse. I'm not suggesting that arsenal should accept 4th by any means, just making the point that its going to be difficult for anyone to come in and challenge at this point.

On the other hand, however, it does seem obvious that Wenger has been tighter than he should have been with what money was available, whether that be due to ego or whether there has been pressure put on him at boardroom level again you'd know better than me. He does seem arrogant and you do start to wonder if the game has passed him by but without knowing the ins and outs of who has set the budgets and how much he could have strengthened its hard to say he's done a bad job when at least steering the club through this period of paying off the stadium.

Mind I can very much understand the frustration with not paying more transfer fees given the fact that the club want to charge you an absolutely extortionate amount to go to the games, but again is it Wenger being tight or is he just working with what he's given? I'm guessing the stadium must be pretty much paid off now so its an excuse that will be wearing thin but if the money hasnt been there in the seasons previously, then maybe Wenger who has kept the club consistently in the CL should be given the chance to start spending it. If he chooses not to then he would have to go but it doesn't seem clear cut (again, from the limited amount i know about it) that he's the one opting not to spend, certainly Im not sure that he's been given the opportunity (before Ozil) to spend really big money and has turned it down.

Ticket prices and lack of spending would piss me off, but is it wenger or the board? Does Wenger not deserve some praise for at least steadying the ship in a time where 2 clubs have come from virtually nowhere to outspend the rest of the league? Liverpool would kill for someone who can do what Wenger can. I fully expect abuse from those that hate Wenger mind, but I'm just wondering why everyone seems to blame him more than the board.

[Ikechukwu1]

Wenger should send a Christmas card to each of the "Stoke three" because the 'shocking abuse' he received that day has suddenly afforded him hero status by every pundit and commentator who previously slated his tactics and our performances this season,

Paul Chiefcunt Merson even told Arsenal fans they need to be 'careful what they wish for' having abused him in a more illiterate way than the "Stoke three" ever could for the past couple of years. What next - An Ode to Arsene written by Jacqui Oatley, The Wenger Eulogy by Stewart Robson, Arsene and Me by Falkirk Goon? Fuck me even Jamie Cointhrower Carragher had the cheek to talk about how 'classless' the Arsenal fans were

Paddy Barclay must be chomping at the bit to lavish praise upon his Lord and Master if we get a top four finish and last 8 of the Champions League.

If you haven't already, put these dates in your diary

18 January 2015 - lose to Manchester City
25 April 2015 - lose to Chelsea
16 May 2015 - lose to Manchester United
24 May 2015 - beat West Brom and secure the VT once more - cue mass spunking and jizzing and all of the above 'experts' reminding the world how 3 oiks once used a naughty word at Stoke months before and on that basis how Arsene has won 60000 hearts and minds and proved everyone wrong once more

Wait what's this? You're judging Wenger based on performance in the big matches?! You must a Spud!
Curiously enough, I also happen to think that these are the matches where he truly should be judged. Although, wind your neck in son. Better to soil your undies after a home 4-1 shellacking against one of the worst away sides in the league and of course, Galatasaray...
Just have a look at the record v the Big Three over the past 3/4 years. The Man U one in particular is an absolute shocker. In fact, we even managed to lose to the Moyes version, and followed that up by losing to their infamous back 3 of Blackett, McNair et al. At home. That was this season right? Oh right, don't mention that. Or Anderlecht. Or Chelski.

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A manager that lost 6-3, 5-1, 3-0, 6-0 all in the same season, that's let a 4-goal league lead slip (a record), that let a 3-goal CL home lead slip (also a record), that lost a cup final to a relegated team (who last did that?), and picked Sanogo to start a game v the European champions. He'd walk into any other job despite not managing a top 2 league finish in a decade, apparently...

FFS, Wigan v Citeh 2013 Mancini in charge, now a top candidate for us

[Ikechukwu1]

How many of the top clubs in Europe would take Wenger this season or at the end of the season?

I know that almost all of the "also-ran" sides (Liverpool) would take him tomorrow, but of the title challengers in each country who would have him?

If top jobs became available tomorrow (for example, if Guardiola had to leave Bayern for person reasons), who'd take him on?

I would imagine he would get any job he wanted on the world. Seriously and it's possible he would do really well with them. Things have gone stale at Arsenal and have been for 5 years or more but hes a decent manager and at another club he could do well IMO

That's comedy gold that...I can imagine Bayern and Real scrambling to boot Carlo and Pep out
You do know his managerial trophy record is no better than Martinez over a 10-year period right? It's almost like you don't actually watch any football. But I forget, we're lucky he's still here Arsene

Who said anything about sacking them for him????? Who said we're lucky to have him???? I said if a top job become available he'd be up there to get it.

Come on Baba try reading the fucking posts the foam from your mouth from all the hatred is getting in your eyes

Right. So just to recap: if the Madrid, Bayern, Barca or PSG jobs became available, you actually think Wenger could walk into any of them. So even though the following managers have achieved far more, with far less money over the past 4/5 years: Klopp, Simeone, Benitez, Emery, Bielsa (and that's just off the top of my head). And factor in the wages he's on. It genuinely beggars belief that anyone claiming to watch Arsenal could look at the abysmal constant results (8-2, 3-3 Anderlecht, 3-0 Everton, 6/3 Citeh, 1-2 ManYoo, Stoke just the other week)... And claim he could get any big European job?! Mental. Scouse-esque!

[Ikechukwu1]

A manager that lost 6-3, 5-1, 3-0, 6-0 all in the same season, that's let a 4-goal league lead slip (a record), that let a 3-goal CL home lead slip (also a record), that lost a cup final to a relegated team (who last did that?), and picked Sanogo to start a game v the European champions. He'd walk into any other job despite not managing a top 2 league finish in a decade, apparently...

FFS, Wigan v Citeh 2013 Mancini in charge, now a top candidate for us

True. Forgot that. Does this excuse the litany of other records? But sure pick the one point out of about 20