DOWNLOADING MUSIC

[Boomer]

Using Limewire uses something that is called Peer-to-Peer (p2p) or in leamans terms transfering data (or music in this case) from one PC to another PC.
Now people & companies (mainly websites) using P2P are finding that to store more data (music & films etc) they need servers to hold all this information.

This opens you up to tranfering a virus directly to your PC.
I've never had a problem with limewire but I've heard of people that have had there PC really fucked!

I now use torrents which is far more safer (not completely) method of p2p transfering. The data can be split into parts and you need a 'torrent file' application to re-establish the part. So your firewall can pick up any virus from whats being downloaded into the application.

I use Vuze (originally called Azureus) which you can use like media player and search for music and films. It does all the work for you and will search the major torrent sites (btjunkie, piratebay...).
It's so good that some of the music files will even contain (if your interested) the CD cover and inlay for you to print.

[SPUDMASHER]

SERIOUS FACT ABOUT LIMEWIRE

Right, all joking aside here for a moment.

I would strongly advise against downloading anything from Limewire. It is a direct p2p site and you could be getting anything!
How do I know this? Well, Mrs Spudmasher was told about the site from a friend. She installed it and went on to download some music. What did she get? A fucking nasty virus disguised as a music track. I ripped into her about it and a couple of days later her friend also advised her against it after she tried to download a Lily Allen video for her I-pod and got kiddiporn instead.

I'm sure there is a lot of genuine stuff on there but for me the risk is too high.

[MizzNaughty]

if you check the file your downloading properly then theres no problem, ive never recieved a virus from a file ive downloaded, but you do come across a lot of porn when you download a video file. torrents are far better and safer than p2p's anyway....well i think so!

[Boomer]

Also I fogot to add the legallity side to it.

Yes it is illegal to download..but not really.
it's kind of the same (due to p2p again) that watching football over the internet is not illegal.

If someone is showing (illegally) a game on the internet and you chose to watch it, its the person showing it is at fualt and not yours.
It like going to a pub with a dodgy channel it's not your fault the games on. Pub goers cannot be proscuted its the landlord.

So it's the same as music someone will load the music to the web to share which you happen to chose.
It's the person that uploads the music or video breaching copy rights.

[12thGooner]

Also I fogot to add the legallity side to it.

Yes it is illegal to download..but not really.
it's kind of the same (due to p2p again) that watching football over the internet is not illegal.

If someone is showing (illegally) a game on the internet and you chose to watch it, its the person showing it is at fualt and not yours.
It like going to a pub with a dodgy channel it's not your fault the games on. Pub goers cannot be proscuted its the landlord.

So it's the same as music someone will load the music to the web to share which you happen to chose.
It's the person that uploads the music or video breaching copy rights.

I'm not so sure on that front. If you are in a pub with a dodgy channel you are there for other reasons, social and alcohol related. If you tune into a match over the net, or download a file that is posted you are activelly participating in a criminal activity or you are facilitating it, something like that. trust me i'm certain they can do you for something.

[wave of mutilation]

It's the person that uploads the music or video breaching copy rights.

Another myth

It's both of you

[Gunner4LiF3]

Also I fogot to add the legallity side to it.

Yes it is illegal to download..but not really.
it's kind of the same (due to p2p again) that watching football over the internet is not illegal.

If someone is showing (illegally) a game on the internet and you chose to watch it, its the person showing it is at fualt and not yours.
It like going to a pub with a dodgy channel it's not your fault the games on. Pub goers cannot be proscuted its the landlord.

So it's the same as music someone will load the music to the web to share which you happen to chose.
It's the person that uploads the music or video breaching copy rights.

I'm not so sure on that front. If you are in a pub with a dodgy channel you are there for other reasons, social and alcohol related. If you tune into a match over the net, or download a file that is posted you are activelly participating in a criminal activity or you are facilitating it, something like that. trust me i'm certain they can do you for something.

Its like Gooner said, if you are the one distributing, you can get fined


if you are leeching off others you will be fine. If you are sharing your music or your dvds you are the one responsible for distributing the pirate copies. I dont advise you "share" anything.

[Boomer]

Yes, but they can't trace you as your transfering data.

You could be sending an email or sending a word document or watching Iplayer?

It would have to come down to the internet service providers to police the internet so it's far easier for the authorities to go to the source.

[Galasso]

Yes, but they can't trace you as your transfering data.

You could be sending an email or sending a word document or watching Iplayer?

It would have to come down to the internet service providers to police the internet so it's far easier for the authorities to go to the source.

And in Australia/New Zealand the service providers are starting to actively police this altho I'm not sure whether they have been threatened with law changes.

[Boomer]

Yes, but they can't trace you as your transfering data.

You could be sending an email or sending a word document or watching Iplayer?

It would have to come down to the internet service providers to police the internet so it's far easier for the authorities to go to the source.

And in Australia/New Zealand the service providers are starting to actively police this altho I'm not sure whether they have been threatened with law changes.

Problem is that the internet has grown quickly and in a massive scale.
Nearly everything that you can think of is governed by rules and policed by some authorative body.

The internet (at the moment) isn't anybodies authority. It's a global free for all.

Therefore, it why we see the music, film industry and the premier league going for the source as they've no where else to target.

[SPUDMASHER]

I'm not sure about this from a legal perspective. I guess you would have to examine the theft act to determine if all the criteria is met. The act of theft is defined as:'

"To dishonestly appropriate property belonging to another with the intent to permanantly deprive them of it"

So to break it down:-

Dishonestly - without a doubt proven
Appropriate - yes, you are taking on the rights of the owner
Property - yes, although maybe only as an electronic file. The file itself may not be the artists property but the information contained within it definitely is
Belonging to another - yes, without a doubt
Intent - yes, unless you can claim to have accidentally opened Limewire, searched for the track and clicked download
permanantly - well you can't give it back can you. A copy still remains on your pc even if you send it on elsewhere, so yes!
deprive them of it - Mmmmmm, the stumbling block! Have you deprived them of it? No, you haven't. Have you deprived them of their rightful earning from it? Yes, you have. So it's quite ambiguous in this respect.
Time for a good brief to get you off..............Where is Rolypolybullshitter when you need him

[wave of mutilation]

Yes, but they can't trace you as your transfering data.

You could be sending an email or sending a word document or watching Iplayer?

It would have to come down to the internet service providers to police the internet so it's far easier for the authorities to go to the source.

you can easily be traced. Your IP address is presented to everyone in p2p software

[wave of mutilation]

whether it is 'theft' or not, it is certainly copyright infringement, since you are making unauthorised copies of the works by downloading, and thats the law we are dealing with..

[Boomer]

Yes, but they can't trace you as your transfering data.

You could be sending an email or sending a word document or watching Iplayer?

It would have to come down to the internet service providers to police the internet so it's far easier for the authorities to go to the source.

you can easily be traced. Your IP address is presented to everyone in p2p software

An IP address can (not nessarily yours!) but it's not an actual person.

The problem or loop whole could be 'pigging backing' and proxy servers in use make it difficult to legally pin point a person. The only way is to take a persons PC and check.

Yes it is copy right infringement but it the same crime as when you used to record the 'hits' off the radio or copied music onto tape.
Although now it's more wide spread and due to technology alot quicker and simplier.

[GE|2|2Y]

I download everything that i cant get my hands on or refuse to pay for..

Most things so


I have a select few artists i download but buy more than 1 copy of their stuff..


I also go to the pictures to see a film that interests me....the rest i download!