New name..... I LOVE HLEB???????

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I Hate Hleb
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rebel gooner wrote:only neutral when it suits us but we always back one lot on the sly,, im wit you on this one as ive never been offened by ur name and always found it funny,, as for hleb as pfa winner we can only dream,, but sometimes dreams do com thru,, shoot hleb you useless f*$ker,, sorry gettin flashbacks of last season.. :mrgreen:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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donaldo wrote:Judge Helb on a winter"s day up in Bolton or Newcastle not in a pre-season friendly in July at home.We have had too many false dawns with Helb its time for him to produce when it matters.He is in the last chance saloon.
Bolton 1-3 Arsenal FA Cup Feb 2007. Half a team out and Hleb and Rosicky, with Denilson in perfect support showed those northern wankers how to play football.

Hleb always shows for the ball, even when it doesn't come off for him. I back Hleb, always have.

Last chance saloon?? Don't think he'll be joining you in there mate.

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Hleb is such a frustrating player because you can see why Wenger sticks by him.

I thought he was a dead loss in 2005/6, in the first half of 2006/7 with his runs and stuff he was showing why Wenger bought him. But he hasn't yet shown the kind of consistency you want from him.

And he gave away a stupid free kick which lead to PSV's goal in our CL exit in March.

You really want to love Hleb, especially after yetserday's performance, but my love is not conditional Alex you've gotta earn it.

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Post by TheOne2Smooth »

Hleb has promise letsbe fair the guy has great close footwork its just when the ball is not glue to he's toes thats the problem!
I wouldlove to see Hleb take 2 players on and not look to beat 3, 5, 6 which seems is the only way he can play football?
maybe this is he's season without Henry he will have to work harder on the wing

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daz10_uk wrote:
As for Hleb performing when we get into serious games and playing in the freezing cold in Blackburn or where ever. I agree its a big season for him
Blackburn cold on 19th August :?: I hope not.

England was far too cold for Reyes apparently according to L'Equipe he was tramatised :roll:

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Cus Geezer wrote:Hleb is such a frustrating player because you can see why Wenger sticks by him.

I thought he was a dead loss in 2005/6, in the first half of 2006/7 with his runs and stuff he was showing why Wenger bought him. But he hasn't yet shown the kind of consistency you want from him.

And he gave away a stupid free kick which lead to PSV's goal in our CL exit in March.

You really want to love Hleb, especially after yetserday's performance, but my love is not conditional Alex you've gotta earn it.

Counter point:

Arsenal 1-0 PSV

2 minutes after goal, match winning channce put on Fabregas' plate but, not for the fortieth time last season. skied, skewed, whatever... Cross Not aimlesly belted into the box or shot when the crowd mindlessly shouts "SHOOT". Oh, chance supplied by Hleb. Much easier though to kick him in the teeth with that mistake like nobody else was responsible.

Fabregas, Rosicky in the first leg??

Does anybody actually watch our games?

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Post by Eboue Can't Defend »

Cus Geezer wrote:You really want to love Hleb, especially after yetserday's performance, but my love is not conditional Alex you've gotta earn it.
You mean it's not unconditional don't you Cus? :? :roll: When you think about it, you have put a condition on it - namely, that Hleb has to perform consistently. :roll: :wink: :lol:

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Counter point:

Arsenal 1-0 PSV

2 minutes after goal, match winning channce put on Fabregas' plate but, not for the fortieth time last season. skied, skewed, whatever... Cross Not aimlesly belted into the box or shot when the crowd mindlessly shouts "SHOOT". Oh, chance supplied by Hleb. Much easier though to kick him in the teeth with that mistake like nobody else was responsible.

Fabregas, Rosicky in the first leg??

Yeah fair point. When it comes to not putting them away last season that was a failure that ran throughout the whole side.

That free kick got on my tits though, I said at the time as it unfolded 'they better not score from this needless free kick he's just given away' and lo and behold......

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You mean it's not unconditional don't you Cus? When you think about it, you have put a condition on it - namely, that Hleb has to perform consistently
Yeah that's what I meant. I'm trying to write on the forum while filling out online application forms.

I just hope I haven't made such a glaring error on the application form.

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As for Hleb doing it in the cold November rain while up north, well he is from Belarus not Brazil, so that really shouldn't be a factor at all.

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Post by Eboue Can't Defend »

Even worse than that for me Cus. I was screaming 'Don't foul him, don't foul him' BEFORE Hleb even attempted to tackle the PSV player!!

Straight after he conceded the award of a free-kick I called Hleb a stupid crunt. And after PSV scored... well, I wanted to kill the little bastard and would have if I had managed to get my hands on him!!

It's fair to say though that the fault for the adverse result that evening should be shared by all the players, not just Hleb. Ah well, that's football for you!!

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Post by augie »

There can be no denying hlebs improved performances in the last 3 games have been impressive but there also is no denying that they have all been friendlies. Even leaving out the stupid free kick he conceded against psv i thought he was pish poor that night. I kept screaming out at him to "get out to the wing you c*nt" and therein my friends lies the problem - hleb is not a winger. Is he a good enough player to change our system around to suit him ? Would I play him in the "hole" behind a lone striker ? Maybe but only if rosicky was injured (again) cos he would play that role much better than hleb. I think that we are destined to see another frustrating season from hleb and, although some of it is not his fault as he is out of position, you cannot get away from the fact that he has now had 2 full seasons to adapt and has failed to do so.

On the whole username thing I too believe that there is no malice intended in it and its all part of the craic. As for IHH changing it at the end of the season upon certain conditions being met, then I think we are stuck with the IHH username for a few years yet

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I'm not frustrated by Hleb and I don't judge my opinion of him based upon 3 pre-season friendlies. I base it upon what i have seen from him over the last 2 years. And, you can't say Rosicky would play that role better than him - where is your evidence?

As I said in a previous post, Hleb shows himself time and time again when others go missing and works hard for the team. I think if you look back and see his assists, clever play and complimenting other players, it certainly puts him on a par or above others.

If he is played out of position on the wing then whose fault is that?

Hleb's faults are only mirrored by the rest of the team but he is certainly not the chief offender.

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Post by Eboue Can't Defend »

Galasso wrote:I'm not frustrated by Hleb and I don't judge my opinion of him based upon 3 pre-season friendlies. I base it upon what i have seen from him over the last 2 years. And, you can't say Rosicky would play that role better than him - where is your evidence?...
Hleb's statistics for last season:

Played 40 games; Scored 3 goals; Assists 5

And Hleb's Arsenal career totals are as follows:

Played 84 games; Scored 6 goals; Assists 5

Meanwhile, Tomas Rosicky's statistics for Arsenal are:

Played 37 games; Scored 6 goals; Assists 4.

Evidence enough for you Galasso? And remember, they are both playing out of their preferred position so no unfair comparison there! :wink: :lol:
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I'm sorry galasso, I didnt realise that I am operating in a court of law when I say that tommy rosicky would play the behind the striker role better than hleb ! Where is my evidence ?? Didn't f*cking know that I needed any. Would it help if I added "in my opinon" to the statement ? Christ this is only a forum galasso,where fans get the chance to express their thoughts and opinions so there aint no need to get so touchy about the posting.

I think you will also find that i did acknowledge that he is being played out of position but he has had 2 years now to adapt so if you are saying that he will never be able to adapt to playing on the wing then we should sell him now. I acknowledge that he never hides and does work hard but so did jensen & hillier and bygone days and they aint good enough either. I accept that the minimum fans should expect from a player is 100% effort (which we dont always get from some of them) but when you are playing for a club like Arsenal the you have to bring more than effort alone to the table. I remember seeing an end of season review from one of the GG years when mcgoldrick (yes eddie) set up so many goals from ian wright it was unreal but what they didnt show was all the fuck up's that he was also involved in(and if you listen to some fans there was a lot of them) and I would suggest that we have a similar scenario here - a technically gifted player that can create and excel but more likely to run into cul de sac's and frustrate

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