Wenger has got to go!

[Exiled-Gooner]

There call wenger ''the professor'' so why is it that any dimwitted football fan can point out our weaknesses but this intelligent manager can't????????.

His blatant refusal to buy so STRENGTHEN the squad is scandalous,we have a weak squad made up of untried youth and average Joe's bar a few class players.Half the squad are injury prone and haven't played a full season for us yet i:e RVP and wenger doesn't give confidence as he continues to play players out of position such as AA.From having squads which won 3P/L's and 4 FA cups(C/L final) we now have a squad which can't be mentioned as contenders for any trophy!!!!.

As Kgw129 states how fucking long are we supposed to wait for the benefits of his blind obsession?How long are we to pay top dollar to watch also-rans?Wenger says we no money but surprisingly finds the money for 3/4 youth players for the combined amount of approx £12mil+wages.The board have to take some of the blame for allowing this to go on,there say we got £30mil to spend but wenger comes out with excuses not to and is constantly riding his luck with our injuries!!

The statement from wenger ''that buying players will stunt the progress of our youth'' is bollocks as he's already doing that by constantly keeping faith with the likes of Denilson,Diarby,Walcott(cost £10mil)and Almunia to name a few but with rewarding these ''at best squad players''with lucrative contracts for doing fuck all.The other excuse is a peach''we can't find anyone better than we got now'' that is total bollocks,there is 2 transfer windows and with our so-called fantastic scouting network and schools around the world he saying there is no-one better than Bendtner etc then we need new scouts.

In January he could have got loans in,he's done it before and with the crucial games we had coming up he could have used the run up to January,considering a injury list,to find suitable players.He could have got them in beginning of Jan to get them settled but know it's excuses,excuses,excuses.Huntelaar,Gudjohnsen are 2 names he could have gone for to cover our lack of strikers so there is no excuse(don't believe paper talk as AC Milan were looking to loan out Huntelaar).

Wenger is living on past glories now,he's shot his bolt and unless the situation is not corrected then wengers personnel crusade could ruin our great club,yes i said ruin.I expect Cesc might just go this summer and any manager coming in would need 2/3 years so to again attract world-class players to our club and have a team worthy to be again mentioned as actual contenders!!!!!.WENGER OUT....BOARD OUT!!!!!!!!

[paperclip]

Agree with every word of the original post. There's no "well if Wenger does this or if he does that then I'll give him a chance". He's had plenty of time to see our problems and address them. He either can't see them, or refuses to deal with them. Either way, it's not good enough and he needs to go.

[flash gunner]

I think time is running out for Wenger

Agreed. Another decade of this and the board might start thinking about a change of manager

The truth hurts

[Dan_85]

The shareholders meeting in May will certainly be interesting if this carries on...

[Exiled-Gooner]

WENGER;-

[franksav63]

These performances against the likes of Man Utd and Chavski are becoming bloody embarassing! Did anybody see the way in which Alan Hansen was taking the piss out of our defending against Man Utd on MOTD? He called Clichy's defending for the third goal the worst that he has seen in over 30 years of watching football. And who can argue with him?

Like I said on this forum after our defeats to Man Utd in The Champions League and to Chavski in The FA Cup last season - Arsene Wenger has got to go! The general view then however seemed to be that he deserved more time to deliver his "project". In my opinion the likes of Almunia, Clichy and Denilson, who all had shocking games against Man Utd, will never be the finished article. Wenger's blind optimisism for these kinds of players is as baffling as it is laughable.

We have got some good players which could form the basis of an excellent team - Arshavin, Fabregas, Van Persie to name a few. However we do not play as a team but as a collection of individuals, they are not motivated - the first half of games sometimes resembles a training excercise, they are not organised and some of the defending would embarass a Sunday League team.

These failings are not due to a lack of resources but are down to the manager rather than the players. The likes of Almunia, Clichy (to be fair to him he does not look fit) and Denilson (to be fair to him he is just shit!) do not ask to be selected - it is the manager who selects them and the responsibillity for their ineptitude, along with the ever unpopular Eboue (personally I do not mind him), must lie solely with the manager.

Probably not many will agree with me that the time has come for Wenger to go, but surely most can agree that the time has come to stop the unbridled and unquestionsing support that he currently seems to enjoy?

At the very least he needs to be asked some very serious questions. For example when does he expect to see his "project" reach fruition? How much longer? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? How much longer is acceptable to wait for the success (i.e. trophies) that we are promised?

If, as Wenger suggests, we are a "work in progress" then why does the manager "give away" the likes of The FA Cup and The Carling Cup year after year when surely they are the best chances of a trophy for a developing team? Wouldn't that first trophy be an important stepping stone for a developing team and give them the confidence to progress and achieve greater success?

The manner in which they are given away by fielding deliberately weakened teams has got nothing to do with a lack of resources but more the manager's obsession with resting players, a policy which has been shown time and time again to be flawed. Wenger often moans about the lack of resources and living within your means etc but why does that mean that we can't take a corner, are not organised, especially defensively, are not motivated and start some games as though they are a training excercise? The players only become motivated (or not) by the fashion in which events unfold on the pitch. Go 2-0 down against Bolton and the heads all begin to drop. Get a goal back and suddenly there is a target to chase and they play like a different team and are highly motivated. Why can't the manager motivate them and get them to play like that from the start of the game?

Wenger has lived off past acievements for far too long now. This will just end up being another wasted year and nothing has changed since last year. Play Chavski - get stuffed. Play Man Utd - get stuffed. Something is seriously wrong to get continually stuffed in the same fashion. Does Wenger know what "learn from yuor mistakes means"? Rooney and Drogba score virtually every time that they play against us. Does Wenger work on how to deal with these players on the training ground? It does not appear so and if not then WHY THE HELL NOT?!

We are a side that is a perpetual work in progress - in a year or two they will be world beaters Wenger says. What was his recent quote? "You are only just becoming a man at 23 years of age". Once again laughable excususes! Except that the time never arrives for them to be world beaters and for me it is just a handy excuse for year after year of failure!

4TH PLACE IS NOT BLOODY SUCCESS AND SOMETHING HAS GOT TO CHANGE - NOW!

When will it come to fruition? That's a great question, Wenger constantly moves the goal posts with this target, I believe the last time he said May this year Well, thats now looking a forlorn hope, the time is running out quickly for him and an alternative has got to be put into place NOW, as I can't see him staying on when his contract is up, next season.

[I Hate Hleb]

The shareholders meeting in May will certainly be interesting if this carries on...

I wouldn't get your hopes up of anything substantially different happening there and then. If we somehow beat Porto, avoid a British team in the 1/4 finals and reach the Semis, and then go on to finish 3rd in the league, that will be considered 'progress' by both Wenger and the powers that be!!!

[Dan_85]

The shareholders meeting in May will certainly be interesting if this carries on...

I wouldn't get your hopes up of anything substantially different happening there and then. If we somehow beat Porto, avoid a British team in the 1/4 finals and reach the Semis, and then go on to finish 3rd in the league, that will be considered 'progress' by both Wenger and the powers that be!!!

I expect there to be a fair few "opinions voiced" as there were last year though, even if by some miracle we do manage to win the CL (just getting past Porto is looking harder by the day). I really can't see us winning the PL & whilst a 4th place finish is considered success by the club I believe there are a number of shareholders who would be eager to call Arsene & the board to task over the lack of ambition, lack of transfer activity & contract issues.

[Bring Back Pires]

I'm sitting behind AW at the Liverpool game, and if we lose conclusively to Chelsea this weekend (as I'm expecting us to), I might take a "Wenger Out" sign.

No doubt I'll be shot down in flames.

[TeeCee]

Where will all the shit we have in our first team squad go? Wenger has rewarded the likes of Denilson, Diaby, Eboue etc improved/extended contracts, we won't be able to sell Denilson because no-one else will pay 30k+ a week for him so he doesn't have to go. We are fucked thanks to Arsene Wenger.

In 40 years of going to see my beloved Arsenal, I have NEVER wanted anything more than I want Wenger out of the manager role right now. The man is killing our club slowly and surely, to a point where we won't be able to afford to get out of it quickly.

[Exiled-Gooner]

The shareholders meeting in May will certainly be interesting if this carries on...

I wouldn't get your hopes up of anything substantially different happening there and then. If we somehow beat Porto, avoid a British team in the 1/4 finals and reach the Semis, and then go on to finish 3rd in the league, that will be considered 'progress' by both Wenger and the powers that be!!!

That's the main problem the large majority of shareholders are only interested in the price of shares.IHH,you're spot on with wenger achieving a C/L place and getting to the latter stages of said competition the board WON'T bother with the playing side as this will keep the shares at approx £10,000 per-share.The problem the board ARE going to have is that other teams are catching up with the likes of man shitty spending money and i expect next season our spot in the C/L placings to be seriously under threat and we see if the board want to allow wenger to continue is fantasy or put financial stability a priority and get shot of ''Le boss''.

We need a manager who wants to win,not worried about upsetting players,can change tactics to each game and have a b-plan when things don't go our way and get rid of under-achievers,injury prone and useless players.We understand the need to produce our own players-note most of our reserves are brought from other clubs-but to blend them in bit by bit not throw them in without even a subs experience.

What's the point,really what is the point as wenger while achieving top 4 spot with the shit he picks to represent our great club the board will do fuck all.

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

I'm sitting behind AW at the Liverpool game, and if we lose conclusively to Chelsea this weekend (as I'm expecting us to), I might take a "Wenger Out" sign.

No doubt I'll be shot down in flames.

Is that Theo Walcott?

As much as it pains me to say it, I think this could be the end for the great man. There have been serious cases of mis-management of club policies over the last 2 years. Add this to continued lies about signing players and addressing defensive issues I can no longer make any defence for the man.

I truly hope I'm wrong but, even for this 'Rosetinter', it's becoming quite apparent that I'm not.

Of course, like thousands of others, I will still be there for the Liverpool game and as long as that's the case the board have no reason to change things.

[U.F.G Anfield '89]

Let's get this straight, no one can be more critical of last night's performance than I, but i think the reason that so many people are angry about this result is the fact that they allowed themselves to think that we ever had a chance of winning the league.

Our problems cannot be solved purely by signing new players, some more strength in depth would be nice but it is not our primary concern. Denilson and Clichy aside i don't think any of our players put in any bad individual performances last night. I didn't see a team of men against boys, i saw a team with a plan against a team that didn't know what they were doing, i saw gary kasprov play chess against the kid on the front of the fucking connect 4 box.

Wenger has always been tactically naive. In the early days we won stuff on the back of the defence he inherited from George Graham, his ability to find excellent players at low low prices, and his fitness training methods.

Now George Graham's defence is long retired, other club's larger spending power negates our ability to find cheap tallent, everyone else has long ago adopted our fitness methods and the likes of Ferguson are still superior tacticians. The game has moved on, Wenger hasn't, we will not win the league, or any othe competition of note as long as he is our manager.

All that being said we are in very tough times financially at the moment. The bottom line is we must continue to qualify for the champions league every year until the stadium debt is paid off, we must do this while spending very little. There is no one i trust more to accomplish these aims than Arsene Wenger.

We must endure the fact that we are no longer top dogs, we must endure the taunts of the insufferable manch and chav fans, and when the stadium debt is paid off and we see our spending power increase we will politely ask Mr Wenger to retire and take a place in the boadroom.

We have to accept that we are going through lean times. But there will still be good football to enjoy and there will still be some happy moments along the way, just like bolton at home this season.

I will still moan about not taking the cups more seriously, i will still have a go about not making substitutions earlier and i will still wonder what he sees in players like denilson. But you will not see me demanding a resignation. Many clubs have lost all in the mad chase for glory and I will not see Arsenal become one of them.

In the coming years our manager will be deserving of much criticism, but make no mistake, when he retires he will leave the club in a far stronger position than when he came to it. And, despite all his faults, no one, barring Herbert Chapman, will have been a greater servant to The Arsenal.

[Bring Back Pires]

I'm sitting behind AW at the Liverpool game, and if we lose conclusively to Chelsea this weekend (as I'm expecting us to), I might take a "Wenger Out" sign.

No doubt I'll be shot down in flames.

Is that Theo Walcott?

I don't understand.

[Boomer]

Let's get this straight, no one can be more critical of last night's performance than I, but i think the reason that so many people are angry about this result is the fact that they allowed themselves to think that we ever had a chance of winning the league.

Our problems cannot be solved purely by signing new players, some more strength in depth would be nice but it is not our primary concern. Denilson and Clichy aside i don't think any of our players put in any bad individual performances last night. I didn't see a team of men against boys, i saw a team with a plan against a team that didn't know what they were doing, i saw gary kasprov play chess against the kid on the front of the fucking connect 4 box.

Wenger has always been tactically naive. In the early days we won stuff on the back of the defence he inherited from George Graham, his ability to find excellent players at low low prices, and his fitness training methods.

Now George Graham's defence is long retired, other club's larger spending power negates our ability to find cheap tallent, everyone else has long ago adopted our fitness methods and the likes of Ferguson are still superior tacticians. The game has moved on, Wenger hasn't, we will not win the league, or any othe competition of note as long as he is our manager.

All that being said we are in very tough times financially at the moment. The bottom line is we must continue to qualify for the champions league every year until the stadium debt is paid off, we must do this while spending very little. There is no one i trust more to accomplish these aims than Arsene Wenger.

We must endure the fact that we are no longer top dogs, we must endure the taunts of the insufferable manch and chav fans, and when the stadium debt is paid off and we see our spending power increase we will politely ask Mr Wenger to retire and take a place in the boadroom.

We have to accept that we are going through lean times. But there will still be good football to enjoy and there will still be some happy moments along the way, just like bolton at home this season.

I will still moan about not taking the cups more seriously, i will still have a go about not making substitutions earlier and i will still wonder what he sees in players like denilson. But you will not see me demanding a resignation. Many clubs have lost all in the mad chase for glory and I will not see Arsenal become one of them.

In the coming years our manager will be deserving of much criticism, but make no mistake, when he retires he will leave the club in a far stronger position than when he came to it. And, despite all his faults, no one, barring Herbert Chapman, will have been a greater servant to The Arsenal.

Great post and many a true facts.

Sadly though I think we're partly through the lean times as we're hearing there's money available. I understand why Wenger originally went with the project as it was a cheap and easy option. Plus as a production line provided us with funds if we sell on.
I now feel that he's too stubborn to add much needed quality to the project.