Selling Club

[Boomer]

SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.

Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

The quicker you pay of debt. the more money you save in the long term.

Liverpool paid £45m to bank as credit on there debt (ouchh) That can buy 8 players let alone 3 which they need.

I know the details of paying loans etc but why would they jepardise the short term? We needed a couple of players added to the squad a couple of years ago to keep up with the top teams and then keep that going year on year, the longer we keep selling players the more we need to buy in 10 years or whenever we pay the debt. So we might be on a loser all round by then

Flash, you're both right.
The debt is 'supposed' to be manageable but we've seen (and to the detriment of the team) that the loan is being paid off quicker.

Liverpools reasons maybe the CL ruling where as ours seems a little different. It is a mystery I've speculated before and it has been mentioned in the past day that the board are probably thinking about life beyond wenger.....A debt free life.

[flash gunner]

SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.

Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

The quicker you pay of debt. the more money you save in the long term.

Liverpool paid £45m to bank as credit on there debt (ouchh) That can buy 8 players let alone 3 which they need.

I know the details of paying loans etc but why would they jepardise the short term? We needed a couple of players added to the squad a couple of years ago to keep up with the top teams and then keep that going year on year, the longer we keep selling players the more we need to buy in 10 years or whenever we pay the debt. So we might be on a loser all round by then

Flash, you're both right.
The debt is 'supposed' to be manageable but we've seen (and to the detriment of the team) that the loan is being paid off quicker.

Liverpools reasons maybe the CL ruling where as ours seems a little different. It is a mystery I've speculated before and it has been mentioned in the past day that the board are probably thinking about life beyond wenger.....A debt free life.

A debt free life but a life where you have to overhaul near enough the whole team to catch up without Wenger as the manager and maybe someone who isnt quite as good, it just doesnt make sense to me. Surely little by little each season keeps us up there or god forbid even above our rivals and in 25 years time or slightly less we will be truly laughing

[Lethal]

david dein back please

[Boomer]

Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

The quicker you pay of debt. the more money you save in the long term.

Liverpool paid £45m to bank as credit on there debt (ouchh) That can buy 8 players let alone 3 which they need.

I know the details of paying loans etc but why would they jepardise the short term? We needed a couple of players added to the squad a couple of years ago to keep up with the top teams and then keep that going year on year, the longer we keep selling players the more we need to buy in 10 years or whenever we pay the debt. So we might be on a loser all round by then

Flash, you're both right.
The debt is 'supposed' to be manageable but we've seen (and to the detriment of the team) that the loan is being paid off quicker.

Liverpools reasons maybe the CL ruling where as ours seems a little different. It is a mystery I've speculated before and it has been mentioned in the past day that the board are probably thinking about life beyond wenger.....A debt free life.

A debt free life but a life where you have to overhaul near enough the whole team to catch up without Wenger as the manager and maybe someone who isnt quite as good, it just doesnt make sense to me. Surely little by little each season keeps us up there or god forbid even above our rivals and in 25 years time or slightly less we will be truly laughing

That's part of the mystery.

We're already losing Gallas, Tweey & Merida on Frees.
Possibly Sol (hopefully not)
Add Cesc rumoured to be around £40M and we're losing ground let alone the squad.

But you can bet that AW will spend some of that.
Already in is Chamack.
And will problaby re-invest 'half' of the Cesc fee.

Chances are will get £25 Million + Toure.
Nasri will fill the void as will Ramsey when fit.

Tweey replaced with Djourou
Gallas with someone new from the Cesc Money.
Dispite our cries no new GK
Plus one or two 'fringe' players stepping up.

All the sad part of this merry-go-round conveyor belt of making £££ on youth players that we call 'THE PROJECT'

[rigsby]

For all Wengers Bullshit about building a team, we haven't kept the team together.

[Boomer]

For all Wengers Bullshit about building a team, we haven't kept the team together.

We haven't kept a team for 6 years.

[alanalansunderland]

I don't think AFC either want to sell him or indeed need to sell him. However it does appear that Cesc wants to go (or so the rumours would have you believe). Unfortunately his injury has meant more time back in Spain and you can imagine all his mates and family getting on his case about returning home and him thinking whilst reclining in the sun 'do I need all that hassle back in England'.

If he wants to go do we keep an 'unhappy player'.

Possibly he could be persuaded to do one more year to see if the Wenger dream comes to fruition. One way to help him in that decision is to buy some quality in.

[Boomer]

I don't think AFC either want to sell him or indeed need to sell him. However it does appear that Cesc wants to go (or so the rumours would have you believe). Unfortunately his injury has meant more time back in Spain and you can imagine all his mates and family getting on his case about returning home and him thinking whilst reclining in the sun 'do I need all that hassle back in England'.

If he wants to go do we keep an 'unhappy player'.

Possibly he could be persuaded to do one more year to see if the Wenger dream comes to fruition. One way to help him in that decision is to buy some quality in.

I certainly do hope that Cesc is hold AW to ransom. Either you buy quality or I go.
Sadly, I can see the 'stubbon one' not being told what to do and Cesc will go.

[USMartin]

SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.

Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

The quicker you pay of debt. the more money you save in the long term.

Liverpool paid £45m to bank as credit on there debt (ouchh) That can buy 8 players let alone 3 which they need.

I know the details of paying loans etc but why would they jepardise the short term? We needed a couple of players added to the squad a couple of years ago to keep up with the top teams and then keep that going year on year, the longer we keep selling players the more we need to buy in 10 years or whenever we pay the debt. So we might be on a loser all round by then

Flash, you're both right.
The debt is 'supposed' to be manageable but we've seen (and to the detriment of the team) that the loan is being paid off quicker.

Liverpools reasons maybe the CL ruling where as ours seems a little different. It is a mystery I've speculated before and it has been mentioned in the past day that the board are probably thinking about life beyond wenger.....A debt free life.

Debt itself is not a problem. Its unmanagable debt - the kind of debt the loan for the Highbury re-development created. And make no mistake for all the talk in other threads (including a thread I started about the housing crisis and its impact on the project) the Boiard achieved excatly what they wanted if recent reports are to be believed a 50% higher profit now than had they sold then. The decison to re-dvelop Highbury was never in the best intersts of Arsenal Football Club and they knew it. It has solely benefitted Arsenal Holdings up to now and appears likely that Arsenal Holdings will continue to be the sole beneficiary of it.

It was a huge mistake to simply trust our Board from day one compounded by persisting in that trust even when these troubling changes first beagn that the additional debt forced on the club and the team.

If they had done this at s***s we could have died from not stopping to breathe as we laughed without interruption for years. The joke's on us really.

[brazilianGOONER]

i agree with the first post, but the thing is that in my opinion by no means arsène or the board want to sell cesc, no matter the price. they do understand how important he is to us and how there is no player in the world right now (except maybe for xavi) who has the same ammount of quality in his position.

the only point is, if cesc wants to go, it's hard to keep him here. i know he is on a long term contract and bla bla bla, but we know how hard it is to keep unhappy players in your squad. if he really wants to go, he'll end up going, no matter if we, arsène or the board want otherwise. seller club or not, we can't keep a player who wants out.

we've sold 45M more than bought in the last few years, but how many of those players do we really miss?? hleb? i don't think so. henry proved to be far from that henry in 2004. adebayor and touré? no, thank you. arsène may have been wrong in not properly replacing some of those guys, but i don't consider us to be a club who sells their best players when they are at their peak. campbell may prove me wrong, but i think viera's best years, just like henry's, pires', overmars' and ljungberg's were at arsenal.

we sell well, for good prices, and buy little and cheap (usually youngsters who become good players). it does not mean we always sell our best players, so i wouldn't rate us as a selling club. i think it's a matter of being smart in the transfer market. had we bought given for 6M, that figure would now be a 39M positive with probably some silverware in our trophy cabinet...

[1989]

Ribery wanted out last year, Bayern told Real he will only go for exactly the same amount they paid for Ronaldo. That's how you deal with them. Now where is Ribery? Still at Bayern and winning trophies. Sign of an ambitious club.

[brazilianGOONER]

Ribery wanted out last year, Bayern told Real he will only go for exactly the same amount they paid for Ronaldo. That's how you deal with them. Now where is Ribery? Still at Bayern and winning trophies. Sign of an ambitious club.

i agree with you. we should not let him leave for less than 50M in the actual market, crazy at it is.

however, if we go and thell them to pay what was payed for kaka and they accept it, you have to let the boy go.

[USMartin]

Ribery wanted out last year, Bayern told Real he will only go for exactly the same amount they paid for Ronaldo. That's how you deal with them. Now where is Ribery? Still at Bayern and winning trophies. Sign of an ambitious club.

Spot-on that.

Our club over-extended itself and has paid for it by selling off our best players or letting them leave for free since 2005. And for what really? What is our Board's ambition - we do have a right to know after all. Even if I attend one match a year the ravel costs total what some season ticket holders pay, and WE have helped make the millionaires and billionaires even richer so I think they owe us a LITTLE respect and honesty at this point, no? Loyalty should work both ways...

[GunnerDude]

Ribery wanted out last year, Bayern told Real he will only go for exactly the same amount they paid for Ronaldo. That's how you deal with them. Now where is Ribery? Still at Bayern and winning trophies. Sign of an ambitious club.

Bayern spent 50+mill on Gomez and Robben, got Tymoschuk and Olic on a Free so they atleast had something to bargain with.

What do we have?

[USMartin]

Who says the club spends more if Wenger goes? If I were genuinely confident that would happen I'd agree 100% but I've seen nothing our Board has done or even attempted to do since 2005 that would give me any confidence that would be the case.

What have you seen that makes you confident it would be so?