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BelgianGooner wrote:Martin, why do you feel the need to post such long posts every fuckin' time!!!
I don't. But I will add - I have to prove what I'm saying because my views don't autoimatically get the benefit of the doubt. I can't just say "money isn't available to spend" without explaining why.
I mean do you agree with what I said about money not being available for the team?
BelgianGooner wrote:Martin, why do you feel the need to post such long posts every fuckin' time!!!
I don't. But I will add - I have to prove what I'm saying because my views don't autoimatically get the benefit of the doubt. I can't just say "money isn't available to spend" without explaining why.
I mean do you agree with what I said about money not being available for the team?
There's certain things I agree with and you seem to know your stuff, I can't say I know as much as you about the finances of the team... The thing is I'm 20 and for me football is just about lager, banter, clothes and having a laugh!!!
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USMartin wrote:I'm only commenting out of respect for the avatar and appreciation of your effort but if I want topen threads on there matters I will and have done beofre and will again.
But let's make this useful a moment. Why would you just want to moan about problems and avoid discussion their source and potentially their solution? Seriously - I have been at this for years questioning the Board and its policies and many of things happening now I warned would happen years earlier.
I'm not some johnny-come-lately, and I have the scars to prove it so to speak from battling to warn people the road Arsenal was headed down wasn't as glory-paved or safe as we were being promised since as far back as 2000 when I feared the money men had taken control of the football club from the football men first..
Okay but back to you - why would you just want to moan about problems instead of trying to do sonething about them and addressing the cause of those problems? Is it a lack of desire to do anything? A lack of belief anything can be done? Or is it just ypu think this place isn't about seriously discussing what's right or wrong about Arsenal but just puffing our chests out to yell and moan?
There is a very negative domino effect at work here to the Board's actions. Change their actions for the better and you change that effect for the better. Just like if there is a crimewave in your community. IT effects your lives possibly your livelihoods, your whole way of life even if you don't get mugged or beat up yourself.
Now I can understand to some extent saying we're not gonna stand up against that because their is a real physical risk involved - even if you are homeowner or your home's value is decreased by the crooks taking up on the streetcorner. That isn't the case here. What's at risk to seriously look the problem here and elsewhere?
You can answer me because you obviously know it bothers you so you must know why you'd rather just rant purposely instead of consider problems and trying to solve them.
radford just thinks you're a bore ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
QuartzGooner wrote:USMartin, what winds people up, is your insistence on bringing up the matter of "The Board" on unrelated or very loosely related threads.
No one says you cannot bring the subject up on appropriate threads.
No one thinks it an irrelevant subject.
No one is totally happy with the team at the moment, especially compared to a golden era of 1998 - 2006.
People on the Forum have helpfully suggested that you contact existing supporter groups, who have an infrastructure to raise complaints, and an established dialogue with and recognition by the club.
I also suggested low cost ways that you could publicise your concerns through New Media, ways in which your living in the USA rather than London (if indeed you do?) would not be a hindrance.
Instead of taking this advice, you reject it, and go on to berate people who do not share your views for lacking "Moral Fibre" by not flying your anti - Board flag themselves!
Recognise that some people do not share all of your views on the club, and do not see the club as an evil entity, and wish to work with the club for "Reform" rather than against it for "Revolution".
What a load of crap. Your helpful advice is every bit as genuine as your notion that supporters should lobby Parliament or the EU to ban debt-leveraged club purchases instead fo asking the Board to state that they would not sell the club as part of such as purchase. Indeed that is the sort of thing that would lead one to question someone's moral fibre something I have not in fact done really until now though you state otherwise.
Nor have I actually berated anyone to this point. Argued my views? Yes Questioned other views? Yes but berated anyone? No. That is simply untrue.
Anti-Board flag? Again that is patently dishonest. I have stated repeatedly that I have no problem with the Board seeking to run Arsenal at a profit and even at the Board receiving some of that profit as reward for their work and return on their investment and that I would support the current Board fully if they resumed the sort of investment that had taken place prior to 2005. I have no personal greivance with the Board. I am concerned they are not acting in the best interest of Arsenal Football Club . Its a shame you delibertaely continue to deliberately misrepresent what I say. YOUR moral fibre certainly is in question from me now.
Especially reading this wbit about working with the club for "reform". What is this? What sort of reform? Arsenalisation? Replacing "the Wonder of You?" You can't be serious here. You're the one who tried to discourage me earlier saying the Board wouldn't answer questions they didn't want to and won't answer most questions anyway. But now you say you're working with club for reform? What a sad joke. You'd rather let the Board destroy Arsenal then question the Board because you believe more in the Board and what it stands for now than the club itself . Consider this a berating.
You are merely a wind up merchant.
People other than myself actually took time and trouble to give your genuine advice, yet you respond to it with anger!
I do not consider you a genuine fan, nor genuine in your anti board concerns.
A petition?
LOL.
Quite how your are or what you are genuinely trying to accomplish I do not know, but it just reads as if you are here as some sort of equivalent of a Talksport presenter.
BelgianGooner wrote:Martin, why do you feel the need to post such long posts every fuckin' time!!!
I don't. But I will add - I have to prove what I'm saying because my views don't autoimatically get the benefit of the doubt. I can't just say "money isn't available to spend" without explaining why.
I mean do you agree with what I said about money not being available for the team?
There's certain things I agree with and you seem to know your stuff, I can't say I know as much as you about the finances of the team... The thing is I'm 20 and for me football is just about lager, banter, clobber and having a laugh!!!
That is a large part of what it should be for (clobber? I'm not so keen on that to be honest )
But this is taking a lot of the pleasure out of football for all of us. Not all of it certainly. I live for every match we play in the hope of something special and worthwhile happening no matter the opponent or circumstances - but still giving up what we did so easily for what looks like a lot of crap now is hard to just happily accept and no one should have to do that. Especially not the people who trusted the Club and the Board the most all along. They are the ones who are being most let down even if they;ve yet to see it.
QuartzGooner wrote:USMartin, what winds people up, is your insistence on bringing up the matter of "The Board" on unrelated or very loosely related threads.
No one says you cannot bring the subject up on appropriate threads.
No one thinks it an irrelevant subject.
No one is totally happy with the team at the moment, especially compared to a golden era of 1998 - 2006.
People on the Forum have helpfully suggested that you contact existing supporter groups, who have an infrastructure to raise complaints, and an established dialogue with and recognition by the club.
I also suggested low cost ways that you could publicise your concerns through New Media, ways in which your living in the USA rather than London (if indeed you do?) would not be a hindrance.
Instead of taking this advice, you reject it, and go on to berate people who do not share your views for lacking "Moral Fibre" by not flying your anti - Board flag themselves!
Recognise that some people do not share all of your views on the club, and do not see the club as an evil entity, and wish to work with the club for "Reform" rather than against it for "Revolution".
What a load of crap. Your helpful advice is every bit as genuine as your notion that supporters should lobby Parliament or the EU to ban debt-leveraged club purchases instead fo asking the Board to state that they would not sell the club as part of such as purchase. Indeed that is the sort of thing that would lead one to question someone's moral fibre something I have not in fact done really until now though you state otherwise.
Nor have I actually berated anyone to this point. Argued my views? Yes Questioned other views? Yes but berated anyone? No. That is simply untrue.
Anti-Board flag? Again that is patently dishonest. I have stated repeatedly that I have no problem with the Board seeking to run Arsenal at a profit and even at the Board receiving some of that profit as reward for their work and return on their investment and that I would support the current Board fully if they resumed the sort of investment that had taken place prior to 2005. I have no personal greivance with the Board. I am concerned they are not acting in the best interest of Arsenal Football Club . Its a shame you delibertaely continue to deliberately misrepresent what I say. YOUR moral fibre certainly is in question from me now.
Especially reading this wbit about working with the club for "reform". What is this? What sort of reform? Arsenalisation? Replacing "the Wonder of You?" You can't be serious here. You're the one who tried to discourage me earlier saying the Board wouldn't answer questions they didn't want to and won't answer most questions anyway. But now you say you're working with club for reform? What a sad joke. You'd rather let the Board destroy Arsenal then question the Board because you believe more in the Board and what it stands for now than the club itself . Consider this a berating.
You are merely a wind up merchant.
People other than myself actually took time and trouble to give your genuine advice, yet you respond to it with anger!
I do not consider you a genuine fan, nor genuine in your anti board concerns.
A petition?
LOL.
Quite how your are or what you are genuinely trying to accomplish I do not know, but it just reads as if you are here as some sort of equivalent of a Talksport presenter.
Here we go anyone who doesn't trust the Board no matter what they do isn't a real supporter. Gutless is what you are.
Gutless.
Supporters like you will be completely at fault if the club is sold to a debt-leveraged owner or will have hurt the club as much as the Board.
Two can play this game.
The thing is I can look myself in the mirror and know your false assdertion is wrong. If the club is sold to a debt leveraged owner supporters like you won't be able to look themselves in the eye because appraently you didn't liove Arsenal enough to try to stop that happening. Good luck living with that burden.
QuartzGooner wrote:USMartin, what winds people up, is your insistence on bringing up the matter of "The Board" on unrelated or very loosely related threads.
No one says you cannot bring the subject up on appropriate threads.
No one thinks it an irrelevant subject.
No one is totally happy with the team at the moment, especially compared to a golden era of 1998 - 2006.
People on the Forum have helpfully suggested that you contact existing supporter groups, who have an infrastructure to raise complaints, and an established dialogue with and recognition by the club.
I also suggested low cost ways that you could publicise your concerns through New Media, ways in which your living in the USA rather than London (if indeed you do?) would not be a hindrance.
Instead of taking this advice, you reject it, and go on to berate people who do not share your views for lacking "Moral Fibre" by not flying your anti - Board flag themselves!
Recognise that some people do not share all of your views on the club, and do not see the club as an evil entity, and wish to work with the club for "Reform" rather than against it for "Revolution".
What a load of crap. Your helpful advice is every bit as genuine as your notion that supporters should lobby Parliament or the EU to ban debt-leveraged club purchases instead fo asking the Board to state that they would not sell the club as part of such as purchase. Indeed that is the sort of thing that would lead one to question someone's moral fibre something I have not in fact done really until now though you state otherwise.
Nor have I actually berated anyone to this point. Argued my views? Yes Questioned other views? Yes but berated anyone? No. That is simply untrue.
Anti-Board flag? Again that is patently dishonest. I have stated repeatedly that I have no problem with the Board seeking to run Arsenal at a profit and even at the Board receiving some of that profit as reward for their work and return on their investment and that I would support the current Board fully if they resumed the sort of investment that had taken place prior to 2005. I have no personal greivance with the Board. I am concerned they are not acting in the best interest of Arsenal Football Club . Its a shame you delibertaely continue to deliberately misrepresent what I say. YOUR moral fibre certainly is in question from me now.
Especially reading this wbit about working with the club for "reform". What is this? What sort of reform? Arsenalisation? Replacing "the Wonder of You?" You can't be serious here. You're the one who tried to discourage me earlier saying the Board wouldn't answer questions they didn't want to and won't answer most questions anyway. But now you say you're working with club for reform? What a sad joke. You'd rather let the Board destroy Arsenal then question the Board because you believe more in the Board and what it stands for now than the club itself . Consider this a berating.
You are merely a wind up merchant.
People other than myself actually took time and trouble to give your genuine advice, yet you respond to it with anger!
I do not consider you a genuine fan, nor genuine in your anti board concerns.
A petition?
LOL.
Quite how your are or what you are genuinely trying to accomplish I do not know, but it just reads as if you are here as some sort of equivalent of a Talksport presenter.
Here we go anyone who doesn't trust the Board no matter what they do isn't a real supporter. Gutless is what you are.
Gutless.
Supporters like you will be completely at fault if the club is sold to a debt-leveraged owner or will have hurt the club as much as the Board.
Two can play this game.
The thing is I can look myself in the mirror and know your false assdertion is wrong. If the club is sold to a debt leveraged owner supporters like you won't be able to look themselves in the eye because appraently you didn't liove Arsenal enough to try to stop that happening. Good luck living with that burden.
I have the luxury of hoping I am wrong. Do you?
How do you differ from me? Haha.
What have you done to stop debt leveraged takeovers?
Your petition?
Oh please.
You have every opportunity to work with Arsenal fans groups to get your point of view across.
Do some real research - go to Arseblog, go to Bigsoccer, go to the Steve Gleiber forum. ask about wouldyoubelieveit, Martin Daoust, and USMartin.
That's right. As I said before I bear plenty of scars from fighting for Arsenal something I doubt you can honestly say because you don't seem to want to fight for Arsenal.
I have some convictions I''ll fight for more than you can say. You're more about preserving the illusion of what Arsenal was at all costs rather thatn fighting to make Arsenal what it should be now and going forward.
USMartin wrote:Do some real research - go to Arseblog, go to Bigsoccer, go to the Steve Gleiber forum. ask about wouldyoubelieveit, Martin Daoust, and USMartin.
Seriously Martin, don't you think it's a bit pretentious to get everyone to research who you are and what you've done?
Why not just tell us the story about the "scars" inflicted on you in your "fight" for Arsenal?
It sounds interesting, and I'd quite like to know more if you wouldn't mind, mate, but I haven't got the time or energy to start researching high and low for something you could easily link to or write about on the forum.
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