augie - Liverpool opening day is a difficult match especially if no RVP and Fabregas.
I just can't understand what is going on there, how much time off do they require.
Lose at Anfield and imagine Flappy or Alumunia dropping a clanger (more than a distinct possability) then AW is straight under pressure.
Agree though, the others games at the start look good.
Beating the big boys is the problem though.
fuck off wenger...
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Sorry, don't totally agree with that point. Sometimes the staff are too "close" to the players - they see the best of them in training and over rate their abilities, excusing players' mistakes in games because the staff "know" the player is "better than that", they've seen it in training.Louder wrote:Augie, Our players are not shite. A team full of shite players does not finish in the top half of the English premier league. Whether or not you think they have the potential to improve enough to challenge for trophies is another matter, but the only people who can really assess these players' potential are the staff that see them every day.augie wrote:REBEL GOONER wrote:lets be fair here for one minute,
wenger can hardly come out and say the players he has are shit and will no way make the top 6 nevermind top 4,
we as gooners and football fans are nearly all in agreement on the fact that we need a better keeper and a proven centre half and if we get these 2 in the next week or so then i think we will have a chance of glory this season but if we dont then i fear wengers words will come back to haunt him and we might be seeing his last season in charge of our club.
I understand what you are saying rebs but it is at the point now that I would rather he say nothing and send pat rice out to do these press conferencesI am absolutely fed up of hearing him saying how good these players are when the evidence clearly says otherwise
I also feel that for the large part this isnt just empty words from wenger cos clearly he does believe that they are that good otherwise why would he have given so many of them bumper long term contracts ?
Really at this stage I believe that we are wasting/writing off another season as wenger continues to believe in shite players that he already has and continues to bring in players that are no better than average
And there is still business to be done over the next two weeks.
I agree we don't have "shite players" but we do have certain players that are not good enough for that level. We have the basis of a good team but we need to strengthen.
Well Wenger lies, that's the biggest problem. Rather than say nothing, he actually lies to the supporters quite often. Remember a few weeks back he said he'd spoken to Cesc and Wenger said they did not discuss Cesc's future yet Cesc has said many times that they did and it was the toughest chat he's ever had. This is one of the things I really hate about Wenger - the barefaced lying to us, the lifeblood of the club. I just don't believe him with 50-60% of what he says.
Wenger has done way too much for this club to be called a c*nt or told to fuck off.I agree things aint how they should be right now and i too am on the verge of backing a call for aw to step aside BUT no way does the man that changed the whole face of this club deserve the personal abuse usually dished to him by spuds.lay the fuck off with the personal stuff and keep it football,i think the trophies he once delivered deserve that little at least.
Also,why the fuck is that elvis shit still being played,utter utter garbage
Also,why the fuck is that elvis shit still being played,utter utter garbage
And the Board clearly LETS him and encourages him no since he does it annually? If he was lying to the supporters and it mattered to them one bit that he was wouldn't have been sacked by now?
Why won't you answer that?
The reality is if the Board won't sack him no matter what there is no reason whatsoever to be confident anything will change under a different manager unless the Board is pressured to ensure it does, and the fact is the Board sees sellouts for friendlies and feels no pressure whatsover to do a damned thing especially since some supporters are more eager to scapegoat than actually try to solve problems.
I'll say it again your jersey in your avatar is down to the Board refusing to change the problem as you see it. Or maybe just maybe the people who refuse to change anything are the problem.
Why won't you answer that?
The reality is if the Board won't sack him no matter what there is no reason whatsoever to be confident anything will change under a different manager unless the Board is pressured to ensure it does, and the fact is the Board sees sellouts for friendlies and feels no pressure whatsover to do a damned thing especially since some supporters are more eager to scapegoat than actually try to solve problems.
I'll say it again your jersey in your avatar is down to the Board refusing to change the problem as you see it. Or maybe just maybe the people who refuse to change anything are the problem.
BTW I'm not having a go at you TeeCee because Arsene Wenger is God or perfect or beyond criticism - no man is bigger then the club, ever.
The problem is that if the Board respeond to supporters like you but persist with the lack of investemnt under a new manager thihgs will almost certainly get worse - far wrose even - before there is any chance they'll get better.
I'll ask one more question - what has the Board actually done in terms of the football team that convinces you any new manager would actually have significantly more money to spend and actually be able to use it for the good of the football team?
The problem is that if the Board respeond to supporters like you but persist with the lack of investemnt under a new manager thihgs will almost certainly get worse - far wrose even - before there is any chance they'll get better.
I'll ask one more question - what has the Board actually done in terms of the football team that convinces you any new manager would actually have significantly more money to spend and actually be able to use it for the good of the football team?
Careful - you will be a one-trick pony pretty soon.
If you want to ignore them problem stop complaining how site the team is. You're like someone who doesn't want to vote but will bitch about what's wrong with the government. People like you can be as much a part of the problem as the Board itself...
Seriously why do you even care what team we put out on the pitch or how it performs if you don't care why are putting that team or those players out there?
If you want to ignore them problem stop complaining how site the team is. You're like someone who doesn't want to vote but will bitch about what's wrong with the government. People like you can be as much a part of the problem as the Board itself...
Seriously why do you even care what team we put out on the pitch or how it performs if you don't care why are putting that team or those players out there?
Too true Donaldo - our lack of awareness has not be an accident and our lack of interest in knowing more has benefitted the Board from day one on this. It will only continue to do so so long as we choose to look away or not ask questions.donaldo wrote:Thats just what the board want us to domerse_10 wrote:shut.up.about.the.fucking.board.its.boring
Before I opened this thread, I bloody knew you'd be talking about the board!!USMartin wrote:Too true Donaldo - our lack of awareness has not be an accident and our lack of interest in knowing more has benefitted the Board from day one on this. It will only continue to do so so long as we choose to look away or not ask questions.donaldo wrote:Thats just what the board want us to domerse_10 wrote:shut.up.about.the.fucking.board.its.boring
You're mentally ill, I'm sure of it mate!
Only joking, and in any case, I agree that the board ultimately have to take the blame because they run the club! so by default everything from the playing staff, to the quality of the pitch, to the quality of the stewarding and food is down to the board - that goes without saying really, and I think most agree with that; it's just that saying it over and over again on every conceivable topic starts to wear thin. Still, your gripe with the board is valid, nonetheless
Of course it gets boring and annoying. Remember I am the ONLY gooner who has to read EVERY SINGLE ONE of these postsg88ner wrote:Before I opened this thread, I bloody knew you'd be talking about the board!!USMartin wrote:Too true Donaldo - our lack of awareness has not be an accident and our lack of interest in knowing more has benefitted the Board from day one on this. It will only continue to do so so long as we choose to look away or not ask questions.donaldo wrote:Thats just what the board want us to domerse_10 wrote:shut.up.about.the.fucking.board.its.boring
You're mentally ill, I'm sure of it mate!
Only joking, and in any case, I agree that the board ultimately have to take the blame because they run the club! so by default everything from the playing staff, to the quality of the pitch, to the quality of the stewarding and food is down to the board - that goes without saying really, and I think most agree with that; it's just that saying it over and over again on every conceivable topic starts to wear thin. Still, your gripe with the board is valid, nonetheless
But I'm sure you remmember certain advice your parents or your teachers or your first boss would give you over and over that was boring or annoying and proved absolutely correct and valuable at some point.
I just feel that if we continue to ignore this it will hurt us even more and even longer than it ever had to if we just deal with it as resposibly as we can..
Trust me I'd rather be posting on whether we'll win the Treble again this year or if cesc can overtake Messi and be Arsenal's first World Footballer of the Year* or just how shite s***s are or what *word censored* Chelsea are every post.
* Thierry Henry WAS the Best Footballer in the World from 2001-2005. He just finished runner-up three straight years to three different players.
Ah, but that's the thing - I don't think it is being ignored. It's been mentioned on this forum thousands of times before. I'm not sure if it's possible, but if you do a word search on this forum for the board and the board members, then you'll see that it's been debated repeatedly since the forum started in 2006.USMartin wrote: I just feel that if we continue to ignore this it will hurt us even more and even longer than it ever had to if we just deal with it as resposibly as we can..
Thing is though, as a forum, there's very little influence we have other than signing the odd petition or emailing one of the supporters groups.
My point is, it's not about the forum ignoring it that should concern you - it's the board not hearing our voice, and that can only change if you take your fight to a higher authority than us! - many on here agree that the board should be doing more, or at least level with us! - but we can't do anything more than agree or disagree with you as we have zero influence on the board and never will.
In fact, I very much doubt that ANY of the supporters groups have an influence at board level, do they??
I just think your energy is being wasted on here. You have an opinion, which is great - but you seem to be wanting more than an opinion; you're wanting change, and we can't help you with that, I'm afraid - in fact, I'm not sure who can?
