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REBEL GOONER wrote:nothing to stop abramovich just sponsoring chelsea with one of his companys and paying them 100m a year if he wanted, theres one loophole
Said the very same to myself......only a fool would believe that these new laws will curb the spending of the likes of barca, madrid, chavs and man shitty and of course wenger is one such fool Instead of focusing on trying to drag them down to our level would it not be better if we focused on trying to reach their level ?? I mean most fans on here would argue that we are only 2 or 3 quality players away from them as we are so surely that should be our aim ? If wenger is waiting for these clubs to crumble under financial ruin then he will have a long wait
So you'd like to see the club loaded with debt and spent into oblivion? Leeds, Pompey and Real Mallorca ring a bell? Wenger realises that football cannot sustain its current model; transfer fees and wages are out of control and new financial rules have to ensure that clubs spend within their means and live prudently otherwise more will go to the wall
AA this is just a dangerously massive over-simplication of the real argument. The reality there is massive middle gorund between what we have chose to do and what those clubs chose to do and all anyone is suggestiong is working somewhere in that misddle ground.
And accidentally perhaps Arsene Wenger has not only confirmed the existance of this middle ground but that it is actually quite a large middle ground. Quoting the manager from the article below
“I don’t want to go into excuses but you want a business to be run properly and I believe that to lose £150 million a year you don’t deserve a lot of credit to win a competition.â€
olgitgooner wrote:Maybe I'm just pissing into the wind with my hopes for a level playing field.
But I'm hoping that Blatter and his mates will actually see this new rule through to the end.
They have already introduced some unnecessary laws. It's about time they introduced a good law.
It will be challeged in court, without a doubt, by the no-history-lots-of-money clubs. And by Barcelona and Real Madrid, too.
It's fingers crossed time.
Sadly I think the days of level playing fields in any aspect of human society are pretty dead, eespecially in regards to matters oof finance and economics. I was gonna make some snarky joke about you really being and old git on this but I feel ike one myself in this regard.
The election of Ronald Reagan as President - or the actions and policiesof his administration at least - has poisoned us in so many ways. Greed is good now and has been for some time. And its so commonplace we don't even notice its greed anymore.
And before some says greed has always existed of course it has but it has not celebrated or protected like it is now at anyother time in modern Western Civilisation
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I suppose that would depnd on your time scale for modern western civilsation - I tend to focus on post Spanish-American War - and while feudalism still existed in places it was hardly endorsed by society as a whole anywhere.
QuartzGooner wrote:Wenger was not talking about us having £150M in cash, he was using it as an example of other clubs.
No but our accounts show we do have it (or certainly in excess of 100 million now and its expected it will be 150 million the next time the accounts are reporterd on) which shows we have chosen - whatever the reasoning - not to spend it.
So it creates the middle ground between what the clubs he condemns are choosing to do and what we are choosing to do.
Feudalism was certainly in place in Russia until 1917, the Serfs were officialy emancipated 1861 but little changed until the revolutions.
Most historians regard Modern History starting from reign of Elizabeth I.
It could be argued that the board are running a middle ground by having fixed stadium repayments as fixed amounts for a fixed period, instead of a loan.
Highbury last repayment is scheduled December of this year.
Of course I want a new goalkeeper and central defensive midfielder, but I do not share your anger over the non purchase of these positions, I just feel frustrated.
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QuartzGooner wrote:Feudalism was certainly in place in Russia until 1917, the Serfs were officialy emancipated 1861 but little changed until the revolutions.
Most historians regard Modern History starting from reign of Elizabeth I.
I'm not going to debate this with you - I consider modern history to start with the Spanish Civil War that is strictly my standard for analyzing this in terms of modern society because of the massive impact of mechanization in the years before and after it that shaped the society we all have been born into. That's all.
As foir feudalism and Russia i'd suggest that as I noted the Russian soxciety did noit endorse feudalism and the various revolutions that resulted make this clear.
1898 Spanish-American war? Rather arbitrary of you.
Surely the American Civil War saw the first major conflict involving modern industrialisation, weaponry and logistics?
Certainly by the end of it.
I admit the first battles were more of a traditional 19th century block formation and field gun affair, but by the end there were trenches, naval battles with metal reinforced hulls, and submarines used. Plus of course the tactical and strategic use of railroads, and the impact of trade boycotts and currency stability.
The July issue of History Today magazine has a great article on it.
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I Hate Hleb wrote:For fucks sake!!! Is there nothing you two won't argue about?
I do think this is taking this to a new level.
Here Quartz You say the Elisabethan Age, I say the Age of modern mechanization, let's call the whole thing off. Not to concede your point - or mine - but because its really irrelevant here. You wish toi debate this by PM - why I can't imagine - feel free. You know where to find me
I Hate Hleb wrote:For fucks sake!!! Is there nothing you two won't argue about?
I do think this is taking this to a new level.
Here Quartz You say the Elisabethan Age, I say the Age of modern mechanization, let's call the whole thing off. Not to concede your point - or mine - but because its really irrelevant here. You wish toi debate this by PM - why I can't imagine - feel free. You know where to find me
I Hate Hleb wrote:For fucks sake!!! Is there nothing you two won't argue about?
I do think this is taking this to a new level.
Here Quartz You say the Elisabethan Age, I say the Age of modern mechanization, let's call the whole thing off. Not to concede your point - or mine - but because its really irrelevant here. You wish toi debate this by PM - why I can't imagine - feel free. You know where to find me
I Hate Hleb wrote:For fucks sake!!! Is there nothing you two won't argue about?
I do think this is taking this to a new level.
Here Quartz You say the Elisabethan Age, I say the Age of modern mechanization, let's call the whole thing off. Not to concede your point - or mine - but because its really irrelevant here. You wish toi debate this by PM - why I can't imagine - feel free. You know where to find me
thank fuck for that
Wait - if you miss this head over to the basement then
I've almost lost the will to live
Wait - if you miss this head over to the basement then
Instead of focusing on trying to drag them down to our level would it not be better if we focused on trying to reach their level ??
I mean most fans on here would argue that we are only 2 or 3 quality players away from them as we are so surely that should be our aim ? If wenger is waiting for these clubs to crumble under financial ruin then he will have a long wait
