Henry Winter: on the Rooney situation.
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mcdowell42
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I don't understand the hysteria around it all. Yes, earning £200k or so a week is disgusting but then again I don't see people complaining that Tom Cruise or Angelina Jolie get $20-30m per movie? People at the top of their profession get paid ridiculous sums ,especially in the entertainment business and Rooney is supposedly at the top of his profession. Say what you like about the guy, I guarantee he'll score against us when we play them, he always bloody does!
I'm just jealous that my football club hasn't got what it takes to keep their best player.....we've seen it previously and in my opinion we'll see it again at the end of this season.
I'm just jealous that my football club hasn't got what it takes to keep their best player.....we've seen it previously and in my opinion we'll see it again at the end of this season.
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TeeCee wrote:I don't understand the hysteria around it all. Yes, earning £200k or so a week is disgusting but then again I don't see people complaining that Tom Cruise or Angelina Jolie get $20-30m per movie? People at the top of their profession get paid ridiculous sums ,especially in the entertainment business and Rooney is supposedly at the top of his profession. Say what you like about the guy, I guarantee he'll score against us when we play them, he always bloody does!
I'm just jealous that my football club hasn't got what it takes to keep their best player.....we've seen it previously and in my opinion we'll see it again at the end of this season.
On arsenal.com wenger says we could pay a player 200000 a week but not at the moment
FACT - when our total wage bill was only 74 million at least 35 - 40% below our current wage bill we had two players earning 100 thousand pounds a week or more. Now with a 110-120 million pound wage bill we have none earning over 90 thousand a week.
That is the real problem a wage structure imposed by the current Bopard that limits the manager's spending options severely by comparison to the wage structure in place prior to 2005 which was merit-based as opposed to this wage structure which seems designed to limit the total wage bill rather than reward performance on the pitch.
It is this wage structure which is why we should be show jealous of other clubs willing to do what it takes to keep their best players or to attract new players of higher quality and achievement. The wage structure clearly elimnates many top players from consideration we may well have signed in the same circumstances priror to 2005, and that is what it is supposed to do. That prevents us having to pay higher transfer fees as well as higher wages for the players we acquire.
That is bad enough, but look at the numer of players who have left Arsenal for free since 2005 and contrast that wth the number of top players we have signed for free since then
Edu, Pires, Sol Campbell (twice), Gallas, Jens Lehmann,Phillipe Senderos, among others.
Whereas the only proven players signed for free in the same period despite a number of top players available on free transfers? Mart Poom and Marouane Chamakh.
Go back one more year to the summer of 2004 - Kanu, Keown, Wiltord, Stepanovs, and Ray Parlour. At that time again Sol Campbell was the only free transfer of proven quality at the time he arrived brought to Arsenal.
It is clear that the new wage structure was designed to limit how much we pay our best players as well as how much we pay their clubs for them.
The new wage structure directly contradicts now ten years of insistances form our Board that the new stadium and the other projects they undertook would not impede the manager in his efforts to build the past team he could under our busines model at all.
So either the Board were deliberately lying to supporters or they have allowed the manger not only to let the team decline but to make them look like liars as he did this. Which begs the quesrtion how on earth is he still the manager and why on earth would the Board suffering from unfair criticism for his selfish ambitions offer him another improved deal for four more years?
That is the real problem a wage structure imposed by the current Bopard that limits the manager's spending options severely by comparison to the wage structure in place prior to 2005 which was merit-based as opposed to this wage structure which seems designed to limit the total wage bill rather than reward performance on the pitch.
It is this wage structure which is why we should be show jealous of other clubs willing to do what it takes to keep their best players or to attract new players of higher quality and achievement. The wage structure clearly elimnates many top players from consideration we may well have signed in the same circumstances priror to 2005, and that is what it is supposed to do. That prevents us having to pay higher transfer fees as well as higher wages for the players we acquire.
That is bad enough, but look at the numer of players who have left Arsenal for free since 2005 and contrast that wth the number of top players we have signed for free since then
Edu, Pires, Sol Campbell (twice), Gallas, Jens Lehmann,Phillipe Senderos, among others.
Whereas the only proven players signed for free in the same period despite a number of top players available on free transfers? Mart Poom and Marouane Chamakh.
Go back one more year to the summer of 2004 - Kanu, Keown, Wiltord, Stepanovs, and Ray Parlour. At that time again Sol Campbell was the only free transfer of proven quality at the time he arrived brought to Arsenal.
It is clear that the new wage structure was designed to limit how much we pay our best players as well as how much we pay their clubs for them.
The new wage structure directly contradicts now ten years of insistances form our Board that the new stadium and the other projects they undertook would not impede the manager in his efforts to build the past team he could under our busines model at all.
So either the Board were deliberately lying to supporters or they have allowed the manger not only to let the team decline but to make them look like liars as he did this. Which begs the quesrtion how on earth is he still the manager and why on earth would the Board suffering from unfair criticism for his selfish ambitions offer him another improved deal for four more years?
What an odd view, given that you seem to be unwilling to consider that maybe Arsene Wenger is only working with someone else's policies dictating who he can sign and how much he can pay them.TeeCee wrote:I don't understand the hysteria around it all. Yes, earning £200k or so a week is disgusting but then again I don't see people complaining that Tom Cruise or Angelina Jolie get $20-30m per movie? People at the top of their profession get paid ridiculous sums ,especially in the entertainment business and Rooney is supposedly at the top of his profession. Say what you like about the guy, I guarantee he'll score against us when we play them, he always bloody does!
I'm just jealous that my football club hasn't got what it takes to keep their best player.....we've seen it previously and in my opinion we'll see it again at the end of this season.
Looking at the decade of false and misleading claims from our Board about how much was available to spend and how much they wanted it spent I think if you were honest your sig would read
Dr. Fiszman - Master of Spin, Purveyor of Bullshit
Off now...UP THE GUNNERS
And you are just afraid to admit you can't honestly prove what you believe. You can call me all the names in the world - it doesn't hide the fact that you don't the evidence and that you are unwilling to acknowledge that. Adnwe both know it.TeeCee wrote:Martin, you are a grade A c**t, seriously, get a life you utter moron. Go and infect the Pravda board, you are like fucking herpes
So call me all the names you want - you know you'rre wrong you can't admit that and and are running way from doing so.
You are the purveyor of bullshit frankly. Nothing you say to or about me will hide that. In fact it's just a sad attempt to hide that you can't prove and maybe don't even believe what you say.
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U.F.G Anfield '89
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TL:DR!USMartin wrote:FACT - when our total wage bill was only 74 million at least 35 - 40% below our current wage bill we had two players earning 100 thousand pounds a week or more. Now with a 110-120 million pound wage bill we have none earning over 90 thousand a week.
That is the real problem a wage structure imposed by the current Bopard that limits the manager's spending options severely by comparison to the wage structure in place prior to 2005 which was merit-based as opposed to this wage structure which seems designed to limit the total wage bill rather than reward performance on the pitch.
It is this wage structure which is why we should be show jealous of other clubs willing to do what it takes to keep their best players or to attract new players of higher quality and achievement. The wage structure clearly elimnates many top players from consideration we may well have signed in the same circumstances priror to 2005, and that is what it is supposed to do. That prevents us having to pay higher transfer fees as well as higher wages for the players we acquire.
That is bad enough, but look at the numer of players who have left Arsenal for free since 2005 and contrast that wth the number of top players we have signed for free since then
Edu, Pires, Sol Campbell (twice), Gallas, Jens Lehmann,Phillipe Senderos, among others.
Whereas the only proven players signed for free in the same period despite a number of top players available on free transfers? Mart Poom and Marouane Chamakh.
Go back one more year to the summer of 2004 - Kanu, Keown, Wiltord, Stepanovs, and Ray Parlour. At that time again Sol Campbell was the only free transfer of proven quality at the time he arrived brought to Arsenal.
It is clear that the new wage structure was designed to limit how much we pay our best players as well as how much we pay their clubs for them.
The new wage structure directly contradicts now ten years of insistances form our Board that the new stadium and the other projects they undertook would not impede the manager in his efforts to build the past team he could under our busines model at all.
So either the Board were deliberately lying to supporters or they have allowed the manger not only to let the team decline but to make them look like liars as he did this. Which begs the quesrtion how on earth is he still the manager and why on earth would the Board suffering from unfair criticism for his selfish ambitions offer him another improved deal for four more years?
Is this a response to any of the other posts on this thread? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question. I see that you have now abandoned even trying to tenuously link your rants to the topic being discussed. What do you do? Just click on the thread nearest the top and let fly?
EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM IS WELL VERSED IN YOUR OPINIONS REGARDING THE BOARD, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT.
I don't object to threads being derailed, but when it happened in the old days a thread would turn into...
-a pun fest
-a tit thread
-naked pictures of ****
-???
-profit!
In any case, it was amusing, people had fun. The way you derail threads is no fun, why are you ruining our fun? I'm not blaming you for the decline of the forum, but god know's you're a symptom of it.
In future if you feel an urgent need to tell everyone how you feel about the board please feel free to put it in a thread of your own for the mods to kick downstairs at their discretion. Or if there is a thread where it's relevant, I mean where we're discussing the board not somewhere you can link it through 2 or 3 degrees of separation to the board, feel free to post your diatribes in there for everybody to ignore.
rant over
and now to lighten the mood I present a lovely pair of tits.
You're right - it's irrelevant because you want it to be all this stuff with the Board because it's easoiiert to pretend that it is then to make an effort to do anything about it for people l;ike you.U.F.G Anfield '89 wrote:TL:DR!USMartin wrote:FACT - when our total wage bill was only 74 million at least 35 - 40% below our current wage bill we had two players earning 100 thousand pounds a week or more. Now with a 110-120 million pound wage bill we have none earning over 90 thousand a week.
That is the real problem a wage structure imposed by the current Bopard that limits the manager's spending options severely by comparison to the wage structure in place prior to 2005 which was merit-based as opposed to this wage structure which seems designed to limit the total wage bill rather than reward performance on the pitch.
It is this wage structure which is why we should be show jealous of other clubs willing to do what it takes to keep their best players or to attract new players of higher quality and achievement. The wage structure clearly elimnates many top players from consideration we may well have signed in the same circumstances priror to 2005, and that is what it is supposed to do. That prevents us having to pay higher transfer fees as well as higher wages for the players we acquire.
That is bad enough, but look at the numer of players who have left Arsenal for free since 2005 and contrast that wth the number of top players we have signed for free since then
Edu, Pires, Sol Campbell (twice), Gallas, Jens Lehmann,Phillipe Senderos, among others.
Whereas the only proven players signed for free in the same period despite a number of top players available on free transfers? Mart Poom and Marouane Chamakh.
Go back one more year to the summer of 2004 - Kanu, Keown, Wiltord, Stepanovs, and Ray Parlour. At that time again Sol Campbell was the only free transfer of proven quality at the time he arrived brought to Arsenal.
It is clear that the new wage structure was designed to limit how much we pay our best players as well as how much we pay their clubs for them.
The new wage structure directly contradicts now ten years of insistances form our Board that the new stadium and the other projects they undertook would not impede the manager in his efforts to build the past team he could under our busines model at all.
So either the Board were deliberately lying to supporters or they have allowed the manger not only to let the team decline but to make them look like liars as he did this. Which begs the quesrtion how on earth is he still the manager and why on earth would the Board suffering from unfair criticism for his selfish ambitions offer him another improved deal for four more years?
Is this a response to any of the other posts on this thread? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question. I see that you have now abandoned even trying to tenuously link your rants to the topic being discussed. What do you do? Just click on the thread nearest the top and let fly?
EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM IS WELL VERSED IN YOUR OPINIONS REGARDING THE BOARD, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT.
I don't object to threads being derailed, but when it happened in the old days a thread would turn into...
-a pun fest
-a tit thread
-naked pictures of ****
-???
-profit!
In any case, it was amusing, people had fun. The way you derail threads is no fun, why are you ruining our fun? I'm not blaming you for the decline of the forum, but god know's you're a symptom of it.
In future if you feel an urgent need to tell everyone how you feel about the board please feel free to put it in a thread of your own for the mods to kick downstairs at their discretion. Or if there is a thread where it's relevant, I mean where we're discussing the board not somewhere you can link it through 2 or 3 degrees of separation to the board, feel free to post your diatribes in there for everybody to ignore.
rant over
and now to lighten the mood I present a lovely pair of tits.
It's rtoo much of a downer. Well, of course it is, but pretending you make that change any more than pretending makes a disease go away or a debt disappear. Pretending you won't die someday wpon't make it so you will be immortal.
We are all unhappy with the recent turn of events since 2005. Created willfully dishonest explanations for what is happening and why because its easier than putting in the effort to learnb the facts and than act accordingly is how Liverpool ended up with Hicks and Gillette and how Man U ended up with the Glazers - because supporters didn't want to know the truth because them they had to deal with it.
Pretnding otherwise is just well supporters who would rather do can be said to every buiit as much to blame as the Board itsellf if they sell us in a debt-leveraged take-over. And if that happens trust we'll all remember where we all stood. No onne will ever forget oor be allowed to forget. And trust me it won't just be me reminding you then. But I will be one of them.
......back to the thread.
Rooney (allegedly) shags elderly prostitutes. He has progressed to more expensive and younger prositutes and shags them even during his wifes pregnancy. He is probably not a great role model.
For once though he shows some principles and says that he wants to leave Utd because they aren't signing star names. My god, is he actually standing up for the green and gold protest and wants to leave because of the Glazers and the leveraged buy out......
But within a couple of days he decides to stay at the same time as Fergie appears to say that they are happy with their young squad - presumably confirming that they still aren't planning on signing big name players. It is of course entirely coincidental that this young principled man has decided to be bought off by Utd purely because they have upped his wages to £250k per WEEK. I don't think he'd make a good shop steward....
And some say, who cares? That it doesn't cost "us" anything and that all top entertainers are paid big money. Well I'd estimate that Utd need to sell 20,000 tickets each week to pay for Rooney.....and as away fan I've possibly been one of them. Ok, so he is actually more likely funded out of TV money but, hold on, don't most of us subscribe to Sky?
It really is diffificult to look at this story from the outside and think that anyone is a winner.....certainly not football !!!
Rooney (allegedly) shags elderly prostitutes. He has progressed to more expensive and younger prositutes and shags them even during his wifes pregnancy. He is probably not a great role model.
For once though he shows some principles and says that he wants to leave Utd because they aren't signing star names. My god, is he actually standing up for the green and gold protest and wants to leave because of the Glazers and the leveraged buy out......
But within a couple of days he decides to stay at the same time as Fergie appears to say that they are happy with their young squad - presumably confirming that they still aren't planning on signing big name players. It is of course entirely coincidental that this young principled man has decided to be bought off by Utd purely because they have upped his wages to £250k per WEEK. I don't think he'd make a good shop steward....
And some say, who cares? That it doesn't cost "us" anything and that all top entertainers are paid big money. Well I'd estimate that Utd need to sell 20,000 tickets each week to pay for Rooney.....and as away fan I've possibly been one of them. Ok, so he is actually more likely funded out of TV money but, hold on, don't most of us subscribe to Sky?
It really is diffificult to look at this story from the outside and think that anyone is a winner.....certainly not football !!!
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U.F.G Anfield '89
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We get it, debt leveraged buy outs are a bad thing. Do you have any stunning insights about the religious beliefs of the pope because the suspense is killing me, I'm betting on muslim myself, they're the ones with the funny hats aren't they? And while you're at it could you please tell me where bears go to have a shit, because the ocean just doesn't seem right somehow.USMartin wrote:
You're right - it's irrelevant because you want it to be all this stuff with the Board because it's easoiiert to pretend that it is then to make an effort to do anything about it for people l;ike you.
It's rtoo much of a downer. Well, of course it is, but pretending you make that change any more than pretending makes a disease go away or a debt disappear. Pretending you won't die someday wpon't make it so you will be immortal.
We are all unhappy with the recent turn of events since 2005. Created willfully dishonest explanations for what is happening and why because its easier than putting in the effort to learnb the facts and than act accordingly is how Liverpool ended up with Hicks and Gillette and how Man U ended up with the Glazers - because supporters didn't want to know the truth because them they had to deal with it.
Pretnding otherwise is just well supporters who would rather do can be said to every buiit as much to blame as the Board itsellf if they sell us in a debt-leveraged take-over. And if that happens trust we'll all remember where we all stood. No onne will ever forget oor be allowed to forget. And trust me it won't just be me reminding you then. But I will be one of them.
For every diehard fan that cares about the wellbeing of the club (and I count myself as one of these) there are 10 plastic fans that will spring up and take our place were we to boycott the club.
Your precious petition has absolutely no effect at all if it isn't backed up by the threat of action. The only action open to the fans is boycott, which no one wants to do and even if they did there is still the matter of the 10 plastics taking our place.
I do not have a major shareholding in Arsenal football club, I am not an influential figure in either the FA or the premier league and I hold no sway at the FSA or in government. Individuals in these positions of power can make a difference to the situation. All we can do is write letters to our MPs and hope that the board are not being disingenuous when they say that they are custodians of the club.
This is the gooner forum not the UN general assembly, stop trying to form some kind of popular fans movement from a constituency of a few Irish guys, various drunks and potheads from the home counties and a Brazilian that got lost on the internet and somehow wandered in here.
People come on here to talk about the games and enjoy the craic. Not to read self righteous conspiracy theories, unless they are unintentionally hilarious like roly's that is.
You're like that annoying guy at a party that is going to talk about what he wants to talk about whether anybody is in any way interested. I got cockblocked by a guy like you once, only his pet subject was the environment. We got rid of him in the end but it totally killed my momentum, I was this fucking close AAAARGH. What was I talking about again?
