Mark Noble

[REB]

Oireland's most successful ever team was in 1994 and was full of Englishmen. Fact.

Nah they were English born Irishmen.

Like Cascarino the "ice cream man"?!

and the same time weren't the likes of barnes,dorigo and butcher playing for england

[northbankbren]

Oireland's most successful ever team was in 1994 and was full of Englishmen. Fact.

Nah they were English born Irishmen.

Like Cascarino the "ice cream man"?!

Yep he was in the squad......oh and 1990 quarter finals was our most successful team. And to be fair to Cascarino he played in more world cups than the likes of fowler or even wrighty for that matter.

At the end of his careers he was able to look back and be proud.....to be IRISH

[LDB]

considering the fact that england has a population over twice that of the other uk and ireland countries combined and is home to the so called best league in the world then i think england hardly punch there weight but are serial underachievers in there weight division.

The English league isn't the "best in the world" because it has awesome English talent..

Holland has a population of 6 million.

[Pilly]

Oireland's most successful ever team was in 1994 and was full of Englishmen. Fact.

Nah they were English born Irishmen.

Like Cascarino the "ice cream man"?!

and the same time weren't the likes of barnes,dorigo and butcher playing for england

Exactly. I've no problem with Johnny Foreigner playing for Engerland, infact I would've loved Arteta to don the 3 lions. He'd do a hell of a lot better than Gareth lard arse no pace Barry.

[Gooner_Sam]

Oireland's most successful ever team was in 1994 and was full of Englishmen. Fact.

Nah they were English born Irishmen.

Like Cascarino the "ice cream man"?!

Yep he was in the squad......oh and 1990 quarter finals was our most successful team. And to be fair to Cascarino he played in more world cups than the likes of fowler or even wrighty for that matter.

At the end of his careers he was able to look back and be proud.....to be IRISH

But Cascarino = :awnker:

[Pilly]

Oireland's most successful ever team was in 1994 and was full of Englishmen. Fact.

Nah they were English born Irishmen.

Like Cascarino the "ice cream man"?!

Yep he was in the squad......oh and 1990 quarter finals was our most successful team. And to be fair to Cascarino he played in more world cups than the likes of fowler or even wrighty for that matter.

At the end of his careers he was able to look back and be proud.....to be IRISH

I stand corrected, the Italia 90 side was indeed Oireland's most successful.

However, it just further reinforces my point about them needing Engerland rejects.

[northbankbren]

LDB Football isnt even the third biggest sport in Ireland, Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby are all much bigger and played sports over in Eire.

Reb is rite, for a country with the population of Ireland with football being the 4th sport, Ireland do pretty well for themselves. The league in Ireland is pretty much semi-pro, so the search for talent is a hard one.

I actually think we punch above out weight and because of the success of 90, 94 and 2002 expectation are quite high, and so they should be for a proud country.

Now as I've posted Im all for 2nd even 3rd generation player, as long as they have the talent, want to play and put the correct effort in, I couldnt give a shit if they were born in timbuktu.

The likes of Cascarino, Townsend, Aldridge, Houghton and many more were brilliant for their country, they chose to play for Ireland and showed real pride in the shirt and made the country proud. Good Irishmen....IRISH LEGENDS.

They are more Irish than Irish born Stephen Ireland thats for sure!!!!!

I do think rebs point is fairly valid though compared to England you could argue Ireland have been more successful, as for us qualifying for a tournament is as good as winning the bloody thing

[franksav63]

my brother in law is a west ham supporter and he reckons noble is shite and shouldnt be near any first team. then again when ireland play with such crap midfielders then i suppose anything is an improvement ,

Yep, what Reb said, my oppo shift partner is a WHam ST holder, and he confirms that Noble is very shit indeedy...

[LDB]

LDB Football isnt even the third biggest sport in Ireland, Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby are all much bigger and played sports over in Eire.

Reb is rite, for a country with the population of Ireland with football being the 4th sport, Ireland do pretty well for themselves. The league in Ireland is pretty much semi-pro, so the search for talent is a hard one.

I actually think we punch above out weight and because of the success of 90, 94 and 2002 expectation are quite high, and so they should be for a proud country.

Now as I've posted Im all for 2nd even 3rd generation player, as long as they have the talent, want to play and put the correct effort in, I couldnt give a shit if they were born in timbuktu.

The likes of Cascarino, Townsend, Aldridge, Houghton and many more were brilliant for their country, they chose to play for Ireland and showed real pride in the shirt and made the country proud. Good Irishmen....IRISH LEGENDS.

They are more Irish than Irish born Stephen Ireland thats for sure!!!!!

I do think rebs point is fairly valid though compared to England you could argue Ireland have been more successful, as for us qualifying for a tournament is as good as winning the bloody thing

These are all very good excuses which im not disputing but they dont change the fact that you've been reliant on English "converts" for decades.

I have no chips on my shoulder about the Irish, i just found it a bit odd that the natural response of having the Englishness of your national side pointed out was to attack the English. Thats all.

[marcengels]

LDB Football isnt even the third biggest sport in Ireland, Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby are all much bigger and played sports over in Eire.

Reb is rite, for a country with the population of Ireland with football being the 4th sport, Ireland do pretty well for themselves. The league in Ireland is pretty much semi-pro, so the search for talent is a hard one.

I actually think we punch above out weight and because of the success of 90, 94 and 2002 expectation are quite high, and so they should be for a proud country.

Now as I've posted Im all for 2nd even 3rd generation player, as long as they have the talent, want to play and put the correct effort in, I couldnt give a shit if they were born in timbuktu.

The likes of Cascarino, Townsend, Aldridge, Houghton and many more were brilliant for their country, they chose to play for Ireland and showed real pride in the shirt and made the country proud. Good Irishmen....IRISH LEGENDS.

They are more Irish than Irish born Stephen Ireland thats for sure!!!!!

I do think rebs point is fairly valid though compared to England you could argue Ireland have been more successful, as for us qualifying for a tournament is as good as winning the bloody thing

Is that the same Cascarino who said he doesn't have a drop of Irish blood in him?

[OnlyGotOneSong]

Thought Jamie O'Hara was Irish anyway....

He's a very useful player, even if he does play for the scum.

[DB10GOONER]

I think you'll find it was not just Engerlish born Oirish players Charlton used but also Scots and Welsh.

And Cascarino was as Oirish as your German Queen is! He is Engerlish of Italian descent. He never qualified to play for Oireland and Charlton knew it too. He told Cascarino to shut up and keep schtum!

The 2nd/3rd generation Oirish thing is something alot of Engerlish don't really understand. In America or Australia most people of Oirish descent call themselves "Irish" not American or Australian (and they may be 5th or 6th generation). The Italians, Jews and some Latino people are similar. It is because historically our peoples are spread wide across the globe in large numbers due to financial and political reasons, escaping persecution or poverty at home. The Engerlish never really did this.

[LDB]

I think you'll find it was not just Engerlish born Oirish players Charlton used but also Scots and Welsh.

And Cascarino was as Oirish as your German Queen is! He is Engerlish of Italian descent. He never qualified to play for Oireland and Charlton knew it too. He told Cascarino to shut up and keep schtum!

The 2nd/3rd generation Oirish thing is something alot of Engerlish don't really understand. In America or Australia most people of Oirish descent call themselves "Irish" not American or Australian (and they may be 5th or 6th generation). The Italians, Jews and some Latino people are similar. It is because historically our peoples are spread wide across the globe in large numbers due to financial and political reasons, escaping persecution or poverty at home. The Engerlish never really did this.

I thought it was a lack of potatos?

[marcengels]

One cannot possibly know from a distance how "Irish" Mark Noble feels, or aware of the country that he may play for, but there is a past record of players who have little cultural awareness or upbringing to tie them to that country.

I don't want to make this an England/Ireland thing, but it is relevant recent historical example. I want players to play for a country to which they have blood ties or through which they have been brought up for most of their young life (ie through the schools system).

What I don't like is the choosing of international teams through convenience, or because the way to a preferred choice had been cut-off.

Note: LDB But it's Potatoes.

[DB10GOONER]

I think you'll find it was not just Engerlish born Oirish players Charlton used but also Scots and Welsh.

And Cascarino was as Oirish as your German Queen is! He is Engerlish of Italian descent. He never qualified to play for Oireland and Charlton knew it too. He told Cascarino to shut up and keep schtum!

The 2nd/3rd generation Oirish thing is something alot of Engerlish don't really understand. In America or Australia most people of Oirish descent call themselves "Irish" not American or Australian (and they may be 5th or 6th generation). The Italians, Jews and some Latino people are similar. It is because historically our peoples are spread wide across the globe in large numbers due to financial and political reasons, escaping persecution or poverty at home. The Engerlish never really did this.

I thought it was a lack of potatos?

Yes. That as well.