As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:Moaninho is a total total c**t and I would hate the see the bastard managing The Arsenal
With him there is nothing more important than jose and his image and he would drag our club into the gutter big time if he was our manager. They played barca sat night, in the bernabau, and played most of the game with 11 men behind the ball and with pepe trying to kick the shit out of anything that moved He even has a gifted footballer like xabi alonso resorting to kicking every barca player he could
I have this awful feeling though that they will beat barca in the cl thus ensuring manure win the fcuking thing again
So like him or not, and whether they do or don't beat Barca, doesn't the fact that we're even thinking it is possible tell you something about the guy's managerial and tactical skills?
Did we beat Barca 2-1 with tactical skills or just by playing as a team and fighting till the last minute or did I attend the wrong match
Out thought by Ranieri? My recollection was that we had the better of both matches and but for missed chances wouldn't have lost that match.
I'm not denying that Chelsea had a good, strong squad - given the money they had spent up to that point so they should. But without wishing to be pedantic and have lots of tooing and throwing, the conversation started off as being about the team, not the squad by Rebel's post. Indeed, the argument could be made that Madrid have a better squad than Barca but the Catalans have the better team.
And yes Drogba and Carvaliho and even Cech might well have been good players, known and even sought after (I knew about us missing out on Cech by the way ) , but I said they were relatively unknown and unproven in the Premiership - and at that point in time they were. Like many of the foreign players that come over (rated and known prior or not) , each and all of them could have proven not to be up to it just as equally.
augie wrote:Moaninho is a total total c**t and I would hate the see the bastard managing The Arsenal
With him there is nothing more important than jose and his image and he would drag our club into the gutter big time if he was our manager. They played barca sat night, in the bernabau, and played most of the game with 11 men behind the ball and with pepe trying to kick the shit out of anything that moved He even has a gifted footballer like xabi alonso resorting to kicking every barca player he could
I have this awful feeling though that they will beat barca in the cl thus ensuring manure win the fcuking thing again
So like him or not, and whether they do or don't beat Barca, doesn't the fact that we're even thinking it is possible tell you something about the guy's managerial and tactical skills?
Did we beat Barca 2-1 with tactical skills or just by playing as a team and fighting till the last minute or did I attend the wrong match
Mourinho is not coming here unless it's just to pick up a paycheck. He will not come to a club that will not give him the financial support he needs unless they just pay him 25 million a year to show up and finish top four.
USMartin wrote:Mourinho is not coming here unless it's just to pick up a paycheck. He will not come to a club that will not give him the financial support he needs unless they just pay him 25 million a year to show up and finish top four.
Mourinho has too big an ego to do that anyway his ambitions are way higher than to just finish in the top four i dont think any amount of money would see him do that.
He won't come to Arsenal full stop. In a way I'd like him because like GG did in his prime, Jose knows how to win matches, even with inferior players but bottom line is, he is a winner. As others have said, winning trophies is not top of Wengers list of priorities.
USMartin wrote:Mourinho is not coming here unless it's just to pick up a paycheck. He will not come to a club that will not give him the financial support he needs unless they just pay him 25 million a year to show up and finish top four.
Whose to say for certain that Mourinho wouldn't fancy the challenge of taking over from a man he's often criticised for having it too easy, just to prove a point? I would imagine that given the above, the wages a top manager would command (which wouldn't be anywhere near £25m), plus £30 - £40m spending and anything else he raises in sales, he would fancy his chances and could well be up for the challenge. He certainly would have the ego for it!!
USMartin wrote:Mourinho is not coming here unless it's just to pick up a paycheck. He will not come to a club that will not give him the financial support he needs unless they just pay him 25 million a year to show up and finish top four.
Whose to say for certain that Mourinho wouldn't fancy the challenge of taking over from a man he's often criticised for having it too easy, just to prove a point? I would imagine that given the above, the wages a top manager would command (which wouldn't be anywhere near £25m), plus £30 - £40m spending and anything else he raises in sales, he would fancy his chances and could well be up for the challenge. He certainly would have the ego for it!!
No but that is what he would want. He would have to have not only somewhere 100 million for transfers but would need a radically new wage structure to get any real quality players to join him, and we know this club has never offered and almost certainly would never offer that to him.
The one thing he might be able to do is get some players to come in for less in wages - players already past their performance peak like Essien, like Drogba, like Carvalho, but unless these players to a man all have Ryan Gihggs-like career spans, what happens when its time to replace them? Either Mourinho walks or gets the sack because he will have to have the new age structure than and it won't happen I don't think.
flash gunner wrote:I'd love Mourinho at Arsenal. He is a top top manager that wins things how can anyone not want that at Arsenal?
Fuck the fancy flicky bullshit football give me some winning, tough, tactical football any day
I am not disagreeing with you flash and as you know I loved what we did under GG but there is a vast vast difference in George Graham and jose moaninho - with GG he knew and respected the value and tradition associated with our (once) great club and he transmitted that feeling onto the players where as the portugese *word censored* is all about himself. We rightly slate those who support arsene fc and we rightly slate wenger for putting his "project" ahead of what is best for the club so can you imagine that being any better under moaninho ? Jose is all about jose and the club with be a very distant 2nd in his priorities
flash gunner wrote:I'd love Mourinho at Arsenal. He is a top top manager that wins things how can anyone not want that at Arsenal?
Fuck the fancy flicky bullshit football give me some winning, tough, tactical football any day
I am not disagreeing with you flash and as you know I loved what we did under GG but there is a vast vast difference in George Graham and jose moaninho - with GG he knew and respected the value and tradition associated with our (once) great club and he transmitted that feeling onto the players where as the portugese c**t is all about himself. We rightly slate those who support arsene fc and we rightly slate wenger for putting his "project" ahead of what is best for the club so can you imagine that being any better under moaninho ? Jose is all about jose and the club with be a very distant 2nd in his priorities
I agree that Mourinho loves himself more than anything else and one of his worst points is he never stays anywhere long but i just couldnt say no if he were ever want to come to Arsenal. I love the way he sets his teams up boring maybe but winning and every player seems to want to play for him and fight for eachother (literally sometimes) i love to see a team with heart and that one thing Mourinho does. As i said he does have bad points but then which manager doesnt? Id put up with them to have a type of Arsenal i love back
flash gunner wrote:I'd love Mourinho at Arsenal. He is a top top manager that wins things how can anyone not want that at Arsenal?
Fuck the fancy flicky bullshit football give me some winning, tough, tactical football any day
I am not disagreeing with you flash and as you know I loved what we did under GG but there is a vast vast difference in George Graham and jose moaninho - with GG he knew and respected the value and tradition associated with our (once) great club and he transmitted that feeling onto the players where as the portugese c**t is all about himself. We rightly slate those who support arsene fc and we rightly slate wenger for putting his "project" ahead of what is best for the club so can you imagine that being any better under moaninho ? Jose is all about jose and the club with be a very distant 2nd in his priorities
I agree that Mourinho loves himself more than anything else and one of his worst points is he never stays anywhere long but i just couldnt say no if he were ever want to come to Arsenal. I love the way he sets his teams up boring maybe but winning and every player seems to want to play for him and fight for eachother (literally sometimes) i love to see a team with heart and that one thing Mourinho does. As i said he does have bad points but then which manager doesnt? Id put up with them to have a type of Arsenal i love back
Agree. I was bored sensless watching Mourhinos team thrash Scum 5:0 on aggregate. Give me brilliant, fantastic to watch, awesome, artistic loses of 3:2 after being 2:0 up any day or 4:4 draws after being 4:2 up with minutes to go...
I would love Mourinho at the club - proven winner, would spend the cash available to him and organise a proper defence we lack so badly. Loved his silent protest at the Madrid press conference last week.
flash gunner wrote:I'd love Mourinho at Arsenal. He is a top top manager that wins things how can anyone not want that at Arsenal?
Fuck the fancy flicky bullshit football give me some winning, tough, tactical football any day
I am not disagreeing with you flash and as you know I loved what we did under GG but there is a vast vast difference in George Graham and jose moaninho - with GG he knew and respected the value and tradition associated with our (once) great club and he transmitted that feeling onto the players where as the portugese c**t is all about himself. We rightly slate those who support arsene fc and we rightly slate wenger for putting his "project" ahead of what is best for the club so can you imagine that being any better under moaninho ? Jose is all about jose and the club with be a very distant 2nd in his priorities
I agree that Mourinho loves himself more than anything else and one of his worst points is he never stays anywhere long but i just couldnt say no if he were ever want to come to Arsenal. I love the way he sets his teams up boring maybe but winning and every player seems to want to play for him and fight for eachother (literally sometimes) i love to see a team with heart and that one thing Mourinho does. As i said he does have bad points but then which manager doesnt? Id put up with them to have a type of Arsenal i love back
Agree. I was bored sensless watching Mourhinos team thrash Scum 5:0 on aggregate. Give me brilliant, fantastic to watch, awesome, artistic loses of 3:2 after being 2:0 up any day or 4:4 draws after being 4:2 up with minutes to go...
Exactly. It was always the sp*rs way to fuck up leads that any other team would have held onto, playing pretty but ultimately fruitless football eyar after year after year saying next year will be ours. Ring any bells with the current Arsenal? Rings loads for me with Arsene and the Wenger knows brigade. In fact im embarrassed from many Arsenal fans these days
USMartin wrote:Mourinho is not coming here unless it's just to pick up a paycheck. He will not come to a club that will not give him the financial support he needs unless they just pay him 25 million a year to show up and finish top four.
Whose to say for certain that Mourinho wouldn't fancy the challenge of taking over from a man he's often criticised for having it too easy, just to prove a point? I would imagine that given the above, the wages a top manager would command (which wouldn't be anywhere near £25m), plus £30 - £40m spending and anything else he raises in sales, he would fancy his chances and could well be up for the challenge. He certainly would have the ego for it!!
No but that is what he would want. He would have to have not only somewhere 100 million for transfers but would need a radically new wage structure to get any real quality players to join him, and we know this club has never offered and almost certainly would never offer that to him.
The one thing he might be able to do is get some players to come in for less in wages - players already past their performance peak like Essien, like Drogba, like Carvalho, but unless these players to a man all have Ryan Gihggs-like career spans, what happens when its time to replace them? Either Mourinho walks or gets the sack because he will have to have the new age structure than and it won't happen I don't think.
How do you know that with any certainty? I must say for someone who is always demanding poof from others to back up their arguments, you don't mind not doing the same for your theory on this particular subject. Like I said previously, given roughly the conditions I laid out above, who knows whether Mourinho would take the job purely because of the football challenge? Maybe he might be motivated by the opportunity to return Arsenal to the top, make the club winners again and at the same time, get one up in his personal battle with Wenger.
Now I'm not saying Mourinho would definitely take the job under the conditions I specified, and personally don't think the Arsenal Board would be courageous enough to make the appointment anyway, even if he would. But I don't think you can say 'he'll demand this, he'll want that, etc.etc ' when you just don't know.
By the way, I'm one of those people that strongly believes he would probably get more out of the current bunch just by his superior coaching and tactical awareness, where he has proven to be a better judge than Wenger.
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He even has a gifted footballer like xabi alonso resorting to kicking every barca player he could
