As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I think there's a difference between singing songs about hitler gassing Jews and shouting "yiddo" at a former spurs player.
Not really, to Jews the word '****' is as offensive as the word 'Paki' is to Asians.
But perhaps sp**s fans should be taking the lead in this, being the most vocal users of such terms.
Well as said earlier two wrongs don't make right, and also as said earlier the vast majority of Spurs fans are not Jews, so have no right to use it in whatever context.
I wasn't suggesting two wrongs make a right, just that if people want this eradicated, don't skirt around the edges of it. If the word is offensive full stop then sp**s fans have to at the forefront of it, like it or not.
i was not saying that the word **** wasnt offensive and i do know enough history to realise the hurt and suffering the jewish race went thru,, the point is why sue the club and not complain to the stewards if someone is using offensive words,,
and i do remember standing in the north bank when there was a real anti irish feeling in london during the ira bombing champaign and trying to keep quiet in case some one picked up my irish accent,
but from an arsenal point of view if our nearest club and historical rivals call them selfs **** army then arsenal fans are going to use the same word back at them,,
i am far from been a racist in fact i pride myself on my liberal views and out look on life ,, but this is too much for it is not the clubs fault,, so why sue the club
rebel gooner wrote:the point is why sue the club and not complain to the stewards if someone is using offensive words,,
I'm guessing they'd feel too intimidated to go to a steward to complain for fear of people crucifying them and giving them the whole "political correctness gone mad" shpiel. Also, quite a lot of fans have very little faith in stewards at the Grove anyway.
Basically, they probably thought telling a steward wouldn't really get much done. I make them about right. Suing the Club is extreme, but it's got us all talking about it, hasn't it?
Suing the Club is extreme, but it's got us all talking about it, hasn't it?
But isn't it just a threat sue rather than initiating proceedings?
Yeah. They've spoken to Human Rights lawyers and sent a letter to the Club telling them to get their house in order or face legal action, so you're right.
they probably are on a crusade , but its about time the word '****' becomes nothing more than a distant memory along with other questionable terrace chants. I like a good chant and passionate atmosphere as much as the next supporter, but there used to some real moronic stuff being sung. Some people seemed to think that buying a ticket to a game seemed to entitle them to say anything at all. I really thought I'd never see the day that I'd watch a game for ninety minutes without hearing references to non whites, the holocaust, the war, hitler, the IRA, monkey chants etc, etc.
they probably are on a crusade , but its about time the word '****' becomes nothing more than a distant memory along with other questionable terrace chants. I like a good chant and passionate atmosphere as much as the next supporter, but there used to some real moronic stuff being sung. Some people seemed to think that buying a ticket to a game seemed to entitle them to say anything at all. I really thought I'd never see the day that I'd watch a game for ninety minutes without hearing references to non whites, the holocaust, the war, hitler, the IRA, monkey chants etc, etc. Times have changed , ok this sort of thing still happens, but the fact that you don't hear it so much now seems to suggest that attitudes of supporters has changed.
rebel gooner wrote:the point is why sue the club and not complain to the stewards if someone is using offensive words,,
I'm guessing they'd feel too intimidated to go to a steward to complain for fear of people crucifying them and giving them the whole "political correctness gone mad" shpiel. Also, quite a lot of fans have very little faith in stewards at the Grove anyway.
Basically, they probably thought telling a steward wouldn't really get much done. I make them about right. Suing the Club is extreme, but it's got us all talking about it, hasn't it?
Oh for fucks sake, suing the club "about right"??? what bollocks. The club can't be held responsible for modern culture, history and the way football fans think and behave so how can the club itself be sued and how would that help the so called "offended" apart from adding to their probably already considerable bank balance. I'm sure that they would'nt have felt all that intimidated complaining to the stewards in club level, for that is surely where they sit. The sooner they fuck off back to watching rugger buggers or rowing at Henley and let the people who've stuck by this club through thick and thin for the last 40 odd years back in the better. Bring back real Arsenal fans and fuck off the prawn sandwich eating wankers with a huge bank balance, too much time on their hands and expensive, fancy lawyers. Arsenal FC existed before the Wenger years, where were the suing twats then??? certainly not sitting on football specials to northern hell holes, getting attacked, herded about by ob on horse back and barking mad, rabid dogs and being generally treated like fuckin cattle on their way to the abbotoir, that's for sure. Real Arsenal til I die and fuck off the Johnny come lately, suing arseholes.
I am 100% with Rebel on this topic - stop the spurts fans from using the term **** and I will stop using it. I have used the y word when singing the DJ Otzi version of sol leaving the spurts but with no intention of racially insulting anyone and if they didnt call themselves "the **** army" then I would never use the word.
To sue the club here just aint right in anyones mind and to threaten to sue smacks of a publicity stunt to me. However yet again if charliewhocanhitem is anything to go by then we have the whole "who are these mystery season ticket holders" saga sorted - its the club level crew Why is it that every bloody thing going wrong in our fan base is blamed on the club level ? Fans leaving early club level, no singing club level etc etc etc. I feel like a lot of you that there are far too many "suits" in our fanbase that come to the grove to be entertained now and were prime members in the ridiculous campaign urging our players to shoot once they entered the opposition half last season but we cannot blame them for everything - I have been at many many matches in the grove where loads of fans depart before the final whistle and it has long been accepted that the athmosphere in highbury had dropped alarmingly over the latter years before ever we had a "club level" so instead of just looking to wildly lash out at the easiest group to blame maybe we should look all around us first
im speachless! what a buch of wankers. I hope they invest everthing they have i sueing us and loose. i didnt go to the spurs away this season so can anyone confirm us singing 'we got cesc fabrigas, you **** are scared of gas'? read it in a artical in the guardian. look at the rascist abuse jens has got at away games for being German. so aparently were rascist!!!! but were also slaged of for having too many foriegn players. thats it im calling my lawyer and sueing alex f.
The way i see it is there were many ways to go about this - they have chosen the most extreme way and yet again it will tar our support.
Yes I think the gassing songs etc should be banned - but are they going to sue spurs next for the use of the word ****?? what about those vile songs aimed at Wenger?? and what about the no surrender to the IRA chant by england fans (which i find offensive!) - are they going to sue the FA for that aswell?
These people are out to make some quick money and a name for themselves - and as someone said on the official boards its either that or they are trying to get into a Benetton ad!
