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christ what a bunch of idiots we have here...yes to av what a joke.

labour gov was great for britain wasnt it, with av we will have never ending labour and liberal coalitions. lib dems are just labour but more left wing, they havent been the centre party for a decade!

im no child of thather but what this country needs is a strong rightish gov, and a massive dose of realism. the pc minority have far to much influence over what most english people want. wales and scotland and n ireland can f off as they have devolution, why should there mps influence what happens in england when it doesnt impact their own constituents.

if we abandon first past the post and have pr or av, the country will be in even more of a state than it is now...italys a great role model!

the playing mantis wrote:christ what a bunch of idiots we have here...yes to av what a joke.

labour gov was great for britain wasnt it, with av we will have never ending labour and liberal coalitions. lib dems are just labour but more left wing, they havent been the centre party for a decade!

im no child of thather but what this country needs is a strong rightish gov, and a massive dose of realism. the pc minority have far to much influence over what most english people want. wales and scotland and n ireland can f off as they have devolution, why should there mps influence what happens in england when it doesnt impact their own constituents.

if we abandon first past the post and have pr or av, the country will be in even more of a state than it is now...italys a great role model!

Rightish government? I've despised Labour for a lot of things they have done over the years, such as Iraq, nannying laws and reduction in civil liberties, the economic mess, but don't forget that they did do some good things and had to clear up a lot of the shit the Tories gave them from their 18 years of shit. And all this nonsense of coalitions and 'strong government' scaremongering from the Tories is utter bullshit and more lies, European countries like Sweden, Norway and Germany to an extend have stable coalitions and get things done, FPTP in this country is ridiculously unfair, the Tories know it but will lie and bullshit in order to keep power through a ridiculously unfair voting system. And the bastards are cutting too much, too quickly. *word censored*

It can also be noted that Cameron himself got elected as Tory leader via an Alternative Vote system, the hypocritical twat!

kingjayson1 wrote:AA23Northbank wrote: Rugby Gooner wrote: AA23Northbank wrote: Are people voting in the Alternative Vote referendum? Yes for me!
It's no for me.It costs too much,and people votes aren't equal.Some votes would get counted once,yet others would get counted 3,4,or more times depending on how the preferences are distributed-not fair.Full P.R. yes,half baked A.V. no.

I want full P.R ideally but I don't think it'll realistically happen, and I personally think AV is much fairer than the current system, under which the Lib Dems' 24% of the vote gives them less than 10% of seats and gaining a million votes lost them 5 seats. And I'm no fan of Clegg.

As for the costs, I think it needs looked into how much it would implement as the 'No' campaign for me has been full of lies, hate and bullshit. To be honest what do we expect from the Tories, The Torygraph and the other right wing wankers

Agree with AA23 on this. In an ideal world, full PR would be my first choice. However, AV is going to have to be the stepping stone because under the Tories, PR will never happen.

The No campaign was farcical, the shit spewed out was utter bullshit. Having said that, Nick Clegg is still a sell out c**t.

You what? Hang on. Take Si's cock out of your mouth and speak slowly and clearly.

Student scumbag. ;) :lol:

SWLGooner wrote:

kingjayson1 wrote:AA23Northbank wrote: Rugby Gooner wrote: AA23Northbank wrote: Are people voting in the Alternative Vote referendum? Yes for me!
It's no for me.It costs too much,and people votes aren't equal.Some votes would get counted once,yet others would get counted 3,4,or more times depending on how the preferences are distributed-not fair.Full P.R. yes,half baked A.V. no.

I want full P.R ideally but I don't think it'll realistically happen, and I personally think AV is much fairer than the current system, under which the Lib Dems' 24% of the vote gives them less than 10% of seats and gaining a million votes lost them 5 seats. And I'm no fan of Clegg.

As for the costs, I think it needs looked into how much it would implement as the 'No' campaign for me has been full of lies, hate and bullshit. To be honest what do we expect from the Tories, The Torygraph and the other right wing wankers

Agree with AA23 on this. In an ideal world, full PR would be my first choice. However, AV is going to have to be the stepping stone because under the Tories, PR will never happen.

The No campaign was farcical, the shit spewed out was utter bullshit. Having said that, Nick Clegg is still a sell out c**t.

You what? Hang on. Take Si's cock out of your mouth and speak slowly and clearly.

Student scumbag.

If only, the little bitch only wants anal action not oral. Isn't that right Si? He's even invited me to his Uni dorms for one last bang before his finals

kingjayson1 wrote:

SWLGooner wrote:

kingjayson1 wrote:AA23Northbank wrote: Rugby Gooner wrote: AA23Northbank wrote: Are people voting in the Alternative Vote referendum? Yes for me!
It's no for me.It costs too much,and people votes aren't equal.Some votes would get counted once,yet others would get counted 3,4,or more times depending on how the preferences are distributed-not fair.Full P.R. yes,half baked A.V. no.

I want full P.R ideally but I don't think it'll realistically happen, and I personally think AV is much fairer than the current system, under which the Lib Dems' 24% of the vote gives them less than 10% of seats and gaining a million votes lost them 5 seats. And I'm no fan of Clegg.

As for the costs, I think it needs looked into how much it would implement as the 'No' campaign for me has been full of lies, hate and bullshit. To be honest what do we expect from the Tories, The Torygraph and the other right wing wankers

Agree with AA23 on this. In an ideal world, full PR would be my first choice. However, AV is going to have to be the stepping stone because under the Tories, PR will never happen.

The No campaign was farcical, the shit spewed out was utter bullshit. Having said that, Nick Clegg is still a sell out c**t.

You what? Hang on. Take Si's cock out of your mouth and speak slowly and clearly.

Student scumbag.

If only, the little bitch only wants anal action not oral. Isn't that right Si? He's even invited me to his Uni dorms for one last bang before his finals

Nice energetic break from revision.

Student scum.

Rosie_titters wrote:I am an Englishman living in Wales

and if you have ever been to Merthyr, Bridgend or Llanelli you will know why they have free prescriptions

they are all bone idle, sick notes who haven't worked in years and just sponge of the state you have to be a manic depressive or sucidal to live in either of those three places

Welsh Assembly throwing free prescriptions at them

Home sweet Home. Dont bite the hand that feeds you. The free prescriptions are the best thing in the world.

storrmin571 wrote:

Rosie_titters wrote:I am an Englishman living in Wales

and if you have ever been to Merthyr, Bridgend or Llanelli you will know why they have free prescriptions

they are all bone idle, sick notes who haven't worked in years and just sponge of the state you have to be a manic depressive or sucidal to live in either of those three places

Welsh Assembly throwing free prescriptions at them

Home sweet Home. Dont bite the hand that feeds you. The free prescriptions are the best thing in the world.

well i've lived in Wales for 8 years and have never been to a GP, so i haven't had any prescriptions - i don't know how living in Wales you can get away with free prescriptions - my wife needs treatment and has been told to wait 9 months for it or spend a few hundred quid to see a NHS specialist privately - already cost us £200 for a 40 minute consulation

18 years of shit, that the tories gave the country??????????

what are you talking about. the ERM issue was unavoidable, labours booming economy was based on majors good work in the last couple of years, thn thye royally fucked it up.

what good has labour done i cant think of a single thing. cameron is a prick too, had the tories put in a proper conservative, who wasnt afraid of stating proper conservative policies they would have walked the last election regardless of what any students or liberal idiots think.

sweden, norway and germany, great examples, where the main parties ahve notably been held to ransom by the lunatic fringe parties on many occasions in order to prop them up and get stuff through...

they are not cuting too quickley either, whas your evidence on this? we have retained our triple a rating which is one of the key points to maintain, and this has only been retained by cutting hard. the econmy is still growing, regardless of how slowly, and those who say we are cutting too quickly simply dont understand how much shit we are in, the amount of interest being paid out everyday. the cuts are needed and good, labours spending was simply unsustainable and unrealistic, many in society got used to this though, and are too thick to realise that the cuts are simply moving spending back to a more realistic, affordable level.

perhaps we should stop cuting so quickly, and in the long run lose even more money, lose the confidence of the markets and be completely fucked.

Rosie_titters wrote:

storrmin571 wrote:

Rosie_titters wrote:I am an Englishman living in Wales

and if you have ever been to Merthyr, Bridgend or Llanelli you will know why they have free prescriptions

they are all bone idle, sick notes who haven't worked in years and just sponge of the state you have to be a manic depressive or sucidal to live in either of those three places

Welsh Assembly throwing free prescriptions at them

Home sweet Home. Dont bite the hand that feeds you. The free prescriptions are the best thing in the world.

well i've lived in Wales for 8 years and have never been to a GP, so i haven't had any prescriptions - i don't know how living in Wales you can get away with free prescriptions - my wife needs treatment and has been told to wait 9 months for it or spend a few hundred quid to see a NHS specialist privately - already cost us £200 for a 40 minute consulation

Im sorry that your wife needs to have treatment, genuinely but the free health care is a must for those who cannot afford to pay, not just those who are on benefits, what about diabetics, asthmatics, cancer sufferers all need life saving medication? I don't like the idea of paying to see the same Dr you would in a NHS hospital, but fair play to the Fire Service who put me through BUPA to sort out my shoulder as it would mean an agonising 18 month waiting list to see a consultant, but the waiting list is surely because of previous cuts to the NHS.

AA23Northbank wrote: Rightish government? I've despised Labour for a lot of things they have done over the years, such as Iraq, nannying laws and reduction in civil liberties, the economic mess, but don't forget that they did do some good things and had to clear up a lot of the shit the Tories gave them from their 18 years of shit.

What shit did Labour have to clear up exactly? When labour won the 1997 election it was the healthiest economic situation ever inhereted by an incoming government. FACT. The situation it left was one of the worst.

It would be good if you could elaborate on these "good things" that labour did but what i will say is that its pretty easy to do nice things when you've got a blank cheque book with which to dish out the goodies.

And all this nonsense of coalitions and 'strong government' scaremongering from the Tories is utter bullshit and more lies, European countries like Sweden, Norway and Germany to an extend have stable coalitions and get things done

Believe it or not but the UK, the oldest parliamentary democracy still in existence, has its own political culture. If this current coalition hasnt hammered that point home then probably nothing will. Popular UK opinion has shown quite clearly that people do not take well to governments who not one single voter wanted when they cast their ballot this time last year.

Yes in PR everyone's vote "counts" in that it always goes towards putting some empty suit or other into the parliament. But the direction of the government becomes so bogged down by different interests that it more often then not takes on a vacuous managerial character to prevent the alienation of any coalition partners.

Put simply, if you think our political class is too cosy and the parties are too similar just wait until PR gets its hands on them.

FPTP in this country is ridiculously unfair, the Tories know it but will lie and bullshit in order to keep power through a ridiculously unfair voting system.

One man one vote, simple majority, representatives directly accountable to communities. Seems pretty fair to me.

Nationwide, from a mathematical standpoint FPTP does not look good when theres more then 2 big parties involved. Imo do away with the lib dems, they're just labour lite anyway and have a tory-labour straight shoot-off in every constituency. Like they do in America.

And the bastards are cutting too much, too quickly. c**ts

On what do you base that?

LDB wrote:Imo do away with the lib dems, they're just labour lite anyway and have a tory-labour straight shoot-off in every constituency. Like they do in America.

I hope you are posting from the University library bud or your IP address can't be narrowed down to your home address

I imagine Chippy is kitting out his van as we speak.

Black bags, gps, lime, hacksaw, rubber gloves, chloroform.

It was nice knowing you LDB.

Number 5 wrote:

LDB wrote:Imo do away with the lib dems, they're just labour lite anyway and have a tory-labour straight shoot-off in every constituency. Like they do in America.

I hope you are posting from the University library bud or your IP address can't be narrowed down to your home address

I imagine Chippy is kitting out his van as we speak.

Black bags, gps, lime, hacksaw, rubber gloves, chloroform.

It was nice knowing you LDB.

I am

My life is so awesome that i take time out of writing a politics essay to debate politics on a football forum

storrmin571 wrote:

Rosie_titters wrote:

storrmin571 wrote:

Rosie_titters wrote:I am an Englishman living in Wales

and if you have ever been to Merthyr, Bridgend or Llanelli you will know why they have free prescriptions

they are all bone idle, sick notes who haven't worked in years and just sponge of the state you have to be a manic depressive or sucidal to live in either of those three places

Welsh Assembly throwing free prescriptions at them

Home sweet Home. Dont bite the hand that feeds you. The free prescriptions are the best thing in the world.

well i've lived in Wales for 8 years and have never been to a GP, so i haven't had any prescriptions - i don't know how living in Wales you can get away with free prescriptions - my wife needs treatment and has been told to wait 9 months for it or spend a few hundred quid to see a NHS specialist privately - already cost us £200 for a 40 minute consulation

Im sorry that your wife needs to have treatment, genuinely but the free health care is a must for those who cannot afford to pay, not just those who are on benefits, what about diabetics, asthmatics, cancer sufferers all need life saving medication? I don't like the idea of paying to see the same Dr you would in a NHS hospital, but fair play to the Fire Service who put me through BUPA to sort out my shoulder as it would mean an agonising 18 month waiting list to see a consultant, but the waiting list is surely because of previous cuts to the NHS.

i thought people with long term conditions got free treatment anyway - my wife gets free prescriptions, but because of her condition, she would still get free prescription. because she is on 4 to 6 tablets a day and it would cost a fortune, neither of us are on benefits because of our savings and income.

but the NHS is a joke, In January we were told in would take 6 months to see a specialist, so we decided to have a private appointment with the same bloke and got seen in March, and cost us £200, then a week later we got a letter saying an NHS appointment had been made for April my wife needs some tests and have been told it will take up to 9 months, so we are looking at xmas, unless we go private which will cost thousands

It is unfortunate, but I am glad we have free prescriptions etc, Welsh Assembly agreed that IVF in Wales if for 2 cycles free which I dont think they get anywhere else, friends of ours paid £5000 for one try fortunately it worked but how can anyone afford that everytime?

spot on ldb. lid dems arent labour light though, there labours left wing. nowadays, with pricks like cable, huhne, hancock, hughes, and the perpetual loser ashdown.