USM over the summer shut the F***up, we get it!!

redstevo · Post by **redstevo** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:46 am

Without wishing to get personal, just take a moment to cast an eye down the list of topics and see how many have transformed into a USM show, are we sure that USM actually exists and is not some form of computer virus, even the thread about visually impaired supporters was USM'd!

Post by **flash gunner** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:31 am

redstevo wrote:Without wishing to get personal, just take a moment to cast an eye down the list of topics and see how many have transformed into a USM show, are we sure that USM actually exists and is not some form of computer virus, even the thread about visually impaired supporters was USM'd!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon May 16, 2011 2:39 pm

redstevo wrote:Without wishing to get personal, just take a moment to cast an eye down the list of topics and see how many have transformed into a USM show, are we sure that USM actually exists and is not some form of computer virus, even the thread about visually impaired supporters was USM'd!

Maybe you should also look at what is actaually said and by who in those threads, if you are going to take an honest look mate. The same individuals move in to try and censor the opinions they don't like by hi-jacking the threads themselves knowiing full well I'll be blamed because poeople like you don't have the courage to blame them for it.

And why are you mobving from your original position anyway, can't accept the whole forum didn't just back you like you expected? Sure isn't down to me mate - maybe its down to as bren put it so neatly "I seem sane"

or words to that effect. It's not me - I haven't changed one bit really. It's the truth that has changed, and nothing you say or do will hide that now.

chyren1 · Post by **chyren1** » Mon May 16, 2011 2:56 pm

redstevo wrote: just take a moment to cast an eye down the list of topics and see how many have transformed into a USM show!

This .. :
Us Martin completely spoils every threads he post in..
He ruined this forum for me..

Yeah,
We got it,the big bad board...

Bur does it have to be everywhere,everythreads,allthefuckingtime???

Can't the administrator wordfilter the word "board" for our sanities??
Can't he just transfer the Usmartin account to the spurs forum??now they would understand how much we hate them

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:17 pm

I know!
I'm supposed to be the so called financial man on this forum (How the fuck did I get that title!

) but most of what USM says is near enough what I've said about 2 years ago.
However, like USM one can only speculate what goes on behind closed doors as NO ONE knows....well with the exception of Arsene.

But the difference is I've been there, done that and the T-shirt was sold on Ebay! As much as I've grave concerns about the board I don't feel the need to go on a one man crusade and hi-jack every thread on this board.

redstevo · Post by **redstevo** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:18 pm

How have I moved from my original position?

My position is no matter what the thread, no matter what the comments, no matter what the timing, you always shoehorn your views on the board.

Now your opinions are as valid as everybody else's. It just appears you have a form of tourettes, unable to resist the urge to shout out "BOARD" at every opportunity.

Regardless of your comment re me expecting everybody else to back me up wasn't an issue. After returning home from the game to vent about the "football match" I am greeted with yet more inane ramblings about the board.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, I saw young men playing football to a standard well below what they are capable of, managed by a manager who has lost the plot. Not a group of old men in suits!

The failure over the last few weeks is purely down to not having a desire to sweat blood for a great club, one that is part of my life since I was 5, through thick and thin.

To then have the focus constantly turned on the board

GETS ON MY TITS!!!!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:25 pm

redstevo wrote:How have I moved from my original position?

My position is no matter what the thread, no matter what the comments, no matter what the timing, you always shoehorn your views on the board.

Now your opinions are as valid as everybody else's. It just appears you have a form of tourettes, unable to resist the urge to shout out "BOARD" at every opportunity.

Regardless of your comment re me expecting everybody else to back me up wasn't an issue. After returning home from the game to vent about the "football match" I am greeted with yet more inane ramblings about the board.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, I saw young men playing football to a standard well below what they are capable of, managed by a manager who has lost the plot. Not a group of old men in suits!

The failure over the last few weeks is purely down to not having a desire to sweat blood for a great club, one that is part of my life since I was 5, through thick and thin.

To then have the focus constantly turned on the board

GETS ON MY TITS!!!!

Tough luck mate.

The focus should be on the what the problem is and how to solve it.

You said you get it - you don't get it at all. You'd be happy to just bend over and take it more from here as long as you felt they were doing something and wouldn't care whether they were doing the right thing would you?

And so how can you claim you get it when doing the worng thing is no better than doing nothing at all? The fact is there are very serious problems here that will only worsen so long as we remain silent or just let them make the smallest and least significant of moves to correct things, moves that won't correct them at all?

It's a shame that the possibility that the Board in fact lied to and used you and your trust in them to betray their solemn duty as custodians of our club trusted to act in its interests first at all times that ought to get on your tits mate. That that doesn't tells me that you don't get any of this really.

RoscommonGooner · Post by **RoscommonGooner** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:33 pm

I think it's high time these little guys made an appearance

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:34 pm

Boomer wrote:I know!
I'm supposed to be the so called financial man on this forum (How the fuck did I get that title! ) but most of what USM says is near enough what I've said about 2 years ago.
However, like USM one can only speculate what goes on behind closed doors as NO ONE knows....well with the exception of Arsene.

But the difference is I've been there, done that and the T-shirt was sold on Ebay! As much as I've grave concerns about the board I don't feel the need to go on a one man crusade and hi-jack every thread on this board.

Rubbish. You don't want to know. You don't want to look at the evidence that is there. and say okay let's see the Board explain this at least. Because I think you knowe the amswer, and its better to pretend that ebcause you can't be 100% certaijn there is no point in considering it.

Boy I hope you wouldn't think if you saw a neighbor's wife or girlfirend or kid wlak into theiur hi=ome every day and walk out with a black eye or busted nose you souldn't say a thing because well you don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

You know - or have a pretty damned good idea I suspect and you just don't want to know because it isn't what you want to believe. After you stated categorically in another thread how Arsene Wenger sets the current player wages alone. How can you know that - it's behind closed doors - or do you work in the club? Of course then you wouldn't be able to say any of it is behind closed doors, would you? If you believe what you said about player wages you can't even say it then can you?

So which is it Boomer? I think we all know really or are figuring it out at least.

redstevo · Post by **redstevo** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:36 pm

Tough luck mate?

You really are a weapon!

Enjoy your one man crusade, I'm sure repeating yourself at every chance you get whilst draining the life from the forum is very fulfilling.

Waste of fucking time engaging with you!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:52 pm

redstevo wrote:Tough luck mate?

You really are a weapon!

Enjoy your one man crusade, I'm sure repeating yourself at every chance you get whilst draining the life from the forum is very fulfilling.

Waste of fucking time engaging with you!

Like I said you don't get it. Blame me for everything that's wrong with Arsenal - and that is what is draining the life from this and many other forums - what's happening at Arsenal. But I guess its easier to just blame people who make you think about that reality. That's easy after all.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:57 pm

USMartin wrote:
Boomer wrote:I know!
I'm supposed to be the so called financial man on this forum (How the fuck did I get that title! ) but most of what USM says is near enough what I've said about 2 years ago.
However, like USM one can only speculate what goes on behind closed doors as NO ONE knows....well with the exception of Arsene.

But the difference is I've been there, done that and the T-shirt was sold on Ebay! As much as I've grave concerns about the board I don't feel the need to go on a one man crusade and hi-jack every thread on this board.
Rubbish. You don't want to know. You don't want to look at the evidence that is there. and say okay let's see the Board explain this at least. Because I think you knowe the amswer, and its better to pretend that ebcause you can't be 100% certaijn there is no point in considering it.

Boy I hope you wouldn't think if you saw a neighbor's wife or girlfirend or kid wlak into theiur hi=ome every day and walk out with a black eye or busted nose you souldn't say a thing because well you don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

You know - or have a pretty damned good idea I suspect and you just don't want to know because it isn't what you want to believe. After you stated categorically in another thread how Arsene Wenger sets the current player wages alone. How can you know that - it's behind closed doors - or do you work in the club? Of course then you wouldn't be able to say any of it is behind closed doors, would you? If you believe what you said about player wages you can't even say it then can you?

So which is it Boomer? I think we all know really or are figuring it out at least.

USM I've engaged with you my thoughts several months ago and you even said thatâ€™s it was an interesting theory.
Some back then even joked that you were my Alter-Ego. (Remember those days?!)

Basically I suggested that thought one way or another Wenger is doing the board some massive favours.
Itâ€™s evident that Money was needed to be trimmed despite what we were told.
We know this as there was no need to break up the 'Invincibles'.

However 1 or 2 things happened and it's this which we DO NOT know
1) Wenger was told not to spend but to only generate within his own funds.
2) Or Wenger through his own self impotence and having one the league unbeaten needed a new challenge of growing a team of champions.

Part of these is the 'Project'. Personally I feel that this worked in Wenger and the Boards favour as I see it as a Conveyer belt of funds.
One or two may make the grade the where as others will be sold on a marked solely due to the club they're coming from.

So come forth to the present day in mind of my opinions above.
1) We have become a selling club needing to sell in order to still compete.
It's little wonder that we sold Â£40M on Kolo and Ade and then spent around the same on TV5 & AA23!!
2) Wenger youth project worked SO much in the boards favour that he choose not to spend and thus hence why over a Â£100M was wiped from the loan debt in a season.

I wouldn't surprise me if it was a combination of both 1 & 2.
Also I wouldn't be shocked (I now you also speculate also) to hear if Wenger even approached the board and suggested these points.

redstevo · Post by **redstevo** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:58 pm

Not on every thread!!!!!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon May 16, 2011 4:29 pm

Boomer wrote: USM I've engaged with you my thoughts several months ago and you even said thatâ€™s it was an interesting theory.
Some back then even joked that you were my Alter-Ego. (Remember those days?!)

I remember alter-ego comments but none from you specifically.

Boomer wrote: Basically I suggested that thought one way or another Wenger is doing the board some massive favours.Itâ€™s evident that Money was needed to be trimmed despite what we were told. We know this as there was no need to break up the 'Invincibles'.

See here I disagree, not with your basic thesis but with the failure to explore more closely. The sole reason money needed to be trimmed at that point was the decision to re-develop Highbury which left us owing an additional 120 million GBP beyond what we owed on the new stadium and because it passed us 65-70 million which we would have made by the summer of 2006 by selling the stadium created a need to generate at least two years of stadium loan repayments from within our self-sustaining business model, in other words the funds that would have gone into the football team.

And how has Arsenal Football Club benefitted from this project so far? Not really at all other than the artifical by 100 plus million slashing of the debt in 2010 you refer to. So far the only real beneficiary were shareholders who saw with this rpoject the share price soar from about 1600 GBP in 2004 to 4000 GBP and higher in 2005 and onward toward its present levels.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon May 16, 2011 4:33 pm

Boomer wrote: However 1 or 2 things happened and it's this which we DO NOT know
1) Wenger was told not to spend but to only generate within his own funds.
2) Or Wenger through his own self impotence and having one the league unbeaten needed a new challenge of growing a team of champions.

Part of these is the 'Project'. Personally I feel that this worked in Wenger and the Boards favour as I see it as a Conveyer belt of funds.
One or two may make the grade the where as others will be sold on a marked solely due to the club they're coming from.

I think number one is quite feasible, as for number two why would the Board just allow and support that unless it was in their own interest and nothing else to do so then?

See I think "The Project" as you call it was classic spin designed to make this go down more palatably and it worked for 2-3 years really, and still does in some corners sadly and surprisingly really. That it may also make further profits that push share prices higher also helps inside the club certainly.