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BournemouthRED wrote:i play guitar and dj (not at the same time )

Have your tried...

holy shit! i want it

BournemouthRED wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:I'm sorry fuckers but as a punter that plys guitar i have no fucking time for DJ's. Write a song you robbing bastards, learm a fucking instrument you theiving cuntahs.

that makes no sense at all. so i take it you hate all covers? and every song has to have a different chord progression etc? i bet 90% of the songs you like are the same 4-5 chords in a different order. DJ's dont nick songs, they play peoples songs and create a mix like a journey, they dont stand on stage pretending that they made the music. The whole set is a musical composition made up of songs, mixed, crafted in a way to be a soundtrack or even an experience.

I get that people dont like dance music, i love all music and i play guitar and dj (not at the same time ) but i fucking hate people who go off one about how some music is more credible etc just because it doesnt involve instruments.
so much bullshit when it comes to music!! i think i mustve been a hippy in another life

Or a robbing bastard!

Sorry but your post is total bollocks there, mate.

Earning money from playing "mixes" of other peoples music is intellectual thievery. All DJ's should fucking burn. Topic closed, robbing DJ bastard.

DB10GOONER wrote:

BournemouthRED wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:I'm sorry fuckers but as a punter that plys guitar i have no fucking time for DJ's. Write a song you robbing bastards, learm a fucking instrument you theiving cuntahs.

that makes no sense at all. so i take it you hate all covers? and every song has to have a different chord progression etc? i bet 90% of the songs you like are the same 4-5 chords in a different order. DJ's dont nick songs, they play peoples songs and create a mix like a journey, they dont stand on stage pretending that they made the music. The whole set is a musical composition made up of songs, mixed, crafted in a way to be a soundtrack or even an experience.

I get that people dont like dance music, i love all music and i play guitar and dj (not at the same time ) but i fucking hate people who go off one about how some music is more credible etc just because it doesnt involve instruments.
so much bullshit when it comes to music!! i think i mustve been a hippy in another life

Or a robbing bastard!

Sorry but your post is total bollocks there, mate.

Earning money from playing "mixes" of other peoples music is intellectual thievery. All DJ's should fucking burn. Topic closed, robbing DJ bastard.

No thievery. DJs do not claim to create the records they play, they mix them.

It is hard to mix well, and even harder to put a good set together that makes a good night.

So many people these days claim to be DJs. Sitting there at clubs or parties with a laptop and some flash looking software.

But how many of them actually put a good set together?

It is a craft, that takes years to develop, and research into good music to perfect.

Party heaven from my youth was when the Disc Jockey put on "Hi, Ho Silver Lining".....no mixing required!

QuartzGooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

BournemouthRED wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:I'm sorry fuckers but as a punter that plys guitar i have no fucking time for DJ's. Write a song you robbing bastards, learm a fucking instrument you theiving cuntahs.

that makes no sense at all. so i take it you hate all covers? and every song has to have a different chord progression etc? i bet 90% of the songs you like are the same 4-5 chords in a different order. DJ's dont nick songs, they play peoples songs and create a mix like a journey, they dont stand on stage pretending that they made the music. The whole set is a musical composition made up of songs, mixed, crafted in a way to be a soundtrack or even an experience.

I get that people dont like dance music, i love all music and i play guitar and dj (not at the same time ) but i fucking hate people who go off one about how some music is more credible etc just because it doesnt involve instruments.
so much bullshit when it comes to music!! i think i mustve been a hippy in another life

Or a robbing bastard!

Sorry but your post is total bollocks there, mate.

Earning money from playing "mixes" of other peoples music is intellectual thievery. All DJ's should fucking burn. Topic closed, robbing DJ bastard.

No thievery. DJs do not claim to create the records they play, they mix them.

It is hard to mix well, and even harder to put a good set together that makes a good night.

So many people these days claim to be DJs. Sitting there at clubs or parties with a laptop and some flash looking software.

But how many of them actually put a good set together?

It is a craft, that takes years to develop, and research into good music to perfect.

Sorry Quartz, but I have never read so much balljocks in my life!

For me earning money for playing other people's music that you have fucked about a bit with is intellectual theft. End of. Musicians write and play music, cunts "mix" it.

DB10GOONER wrote:

QuartzGooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

BournemouthRED wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:I'm sorry fuckers but as a punter that plys guitar i have no fucking time for DJ's. Write a song you robbing bastards, learm a fucking instrument you theiving cuntahs.

that makes no sense at all. so i take it you hate all covers? and every song has to have a different chord progression etc? i bet 90% of the songs you like are the same 4-5 chords in a different order. DJ's dont nick songs, they play peoples songs and create a mix like a journey, they dont stand on stage pretending that they made the music. The whole set is a musical composition made up of songs, mixed, crafted in a way to be a soundtrack or even an experience.

I get that people dont like dance music, i love all music and i play guitar and dj (not at the same time ) but i fucking hate people who go off one about how some music is more credible etc just because it doesnt involve instruments.
so much bullshit when it comes to music!! i think i mustve been a hippy in another life

Or a robbing bastard!

Sorry but your post is total bollocks there, mate.

Earning money from playing "mixes" of other peoples music is intellectual thievery. All DJ's should fucking burn. Topic closed, robbing DJ bastard.

No thievery. DJs do not claim to create the records they play, they mix them.

It is hard to mix well, and even harder to put a good set together that makes a good night.

So many people these days claim to be DJs. Sitting there at clubs or parties with a laptop and some flash looking software.

But how many of them actually put a good set together?

It is a craft, that takes years to develop, and research into good music to perfect.

Sorry Quartz, but I have never read so much balljocks in my life!

For me earning money for playing other people's music that you have fucked about a bit with is intellectual theft. End of. Musicians write and play music, cunts "mix" it.

Have you ever played a gig?

If so, was it all your own material or have you ever played a cover version?

If you go to a wedding and they have a band, should the band play all their own material, or play well known songs that people like?
Or of they do the latter, should they only do it for free because they did not write the songs, even though the composers of the songs do get paid under PRS law.

Are buskers wrong to play cover versions?

And I would love to go to a club where you were the DJ and see how you do.
See if you get them dancing or clear the dancefloor.
DJing is far from easy to do well.

I only seen Westwood once, in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwyOfqbP8JU

He's kind of funny, in that he just seems sooo out of place. Maybe it's just the accent though.

PS: Eminem's freestyle is sickkk. Best hip hop artist of all-time.

QuartzGooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

QuartzGooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

BournemouthRED wrote: that makes no sense at all. so i take it you hate all covers? and every song has to have a different chord progression etc? i bet 90% of the songs you like are the same 4-5 chords in a different order. DJ's dont nick songs, they play peoples songs and create a mix like a journey, they dont stand on stage pretending that they made the music. The whole set is a musical composition made up of songs, mixed, crafted in a way to be a soundtrack or even an experience.

I get that people dont like dance music, i love all music and i play guitar and dj (not at the same time ) but i fucking hate people who go off one about how some music is more credible etc just because it doesnt involve instruments.
so much bullshit when it comes to music!! i think i mustve been a hippy in another life

Or a robbing bastard!

Sorry but your post is total bollocks there, mate.

Earning money from playing "mixes" of other peoples music is intellectual thievery. All DJ's should fucking burn. Topic closed, robbing DJ bastard.

No thievery. DJs do not claim to create the records they play, they mix them.

It is hard to mix well, and even harder to put a good set together that makes a good night.

So many people these days claim to be DJs. Sitting there at clubs or parties with a laptop and some flash looking software.

But how many of them actually put a good set together?

It is a craft, that takes years to develop, and research into good music to perfect.

Sorry Quartz, but I have never read so much balljocks in my life!

For me earning money for playing other people's music that you have fucked about a bit with is intellectual theft. End of. Musicians write and play music, cunts "mix" it.

Have you ever played a gig?

If so, was it all your own material or have you ever played a cover version?

If you go to a wedding and they have a band, should the band play all their own material, or play well known songs that people like?
Or of they do the latter, should they only do it for free because they did not write the songs, even though the composers of the songs do get paid under PRS law.

Are buskers wrong to play cover versions?

And I would love to go to a club where you were the DJ and see how you do.
See if you get them dancing or clear the dancefloor.
DJing is far from easy to do well.

I'm quite surprised you absolutely miss the entire point.

Whatever those musicians are playing, they are playing instruments, they are singing/playing real live music by means of their hard-earned talent. A DJ is just a bloke playing CD's of someone else's music, for all intents and purposes.

If you cannot see the difference between musicians playing instruments/singing and a DJ standing there basically playing records then I cannot help you...

It's like comparing a footballer who actually plays football with someone that shows people videos he's editted together of footballers...

Sorry DB10 but you miss my point.

The DJ is not simply putting on records.

He has to know what order to play them in.

He has to have the intuition/experience to know how to build a set, how to build the crowd response to a peak at the right time in the night.

He has to know which records will blend into which other records without causing a loss of atmosphere or tempo.

He then has to be able to do that.

He then can sample bits of the records he plays to add in to his set, to repeat a popular riff etc.

He can also do this by use of keyboards or sound effects.

I am not talking about some bloke mindlessly putting one record on after another in a room above a pub.

I am talking about a modern skilled DJ, and it takes years of practice just like a musician has.

There are also DJs who have turned the art into Turntablism which is akin to a freestyle footballer's comparison with a team player i.e.

Q-Bert, who uses a turntable as a drum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKD0dJva ... re=related

QuartzGooner wrote:Sorry DB10 but you miss my point.

The DJ is not simply putting on records.

He has to know what order to play them in.

He has to have the intuition/experience to know how to build a set, how to build the crowd response to a peak at the right time in the night.

He has to know which records will blend into which other records without causing a loss of atmosphere or tempo.

He then has to be able to do that.

...and he must know when to breathe in and breathe out.... and when to eat and drink...

Please read what you just wrote.

DB10GOONER wrote:

QuartzGooner wrote:Sorry DB10 but you miss my point.

The DJ is not simply putting on records.

He has to know what order to play them in.

He has to have the intuition/experience to know how to build a set, how to build the crowd response to a peak at the right time in the night.

He has to know which records will blend into which other records without causing a loss of atmosphere or tempo.

He then has to be able to do that.

...and he must know when to breathe in and breathe out.... and when to eat and drink...

Please read what you just wrote.

I can only think you have never tried to DJ to a large crowd.

If you did then you would know how hard it is to DJ well.

It would be good if you could go to one of Bournemouth Red's gigs when he is DJing then try to take over and see how you do with no training or practice.

QuartzGooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

QuartzGooner wrote:Sorry DB10 but you miss my point.

The DJ is not simply putting on records.

He has to know what order to play them in.

He has to have the intuition/experience to know how to build a set, how to build the crowd response to a peak at the right time in the night.

He has to know which records will blend into which other records without causing a loss of atmosphere or tempo.

He then has to be able to do that.

...and he must know when to breathe in and breathe out.... and when to eat and drink...

Please read what you just wrote.

I can only think you have never tried to DJ to a large crowd.

If you did then you would know how hard it is to DJ well.

It would be good if you could go to one of Bournemouth Red's gigs when he is DJing then try to take over and see how you do with no training or practice.

Maybe get down off the high horse there, huh?

It would also be good for me to go to Iraq and shoot some terrorists but hey-ho I don't have the training or practice for that either!

For someone that expresses an opinion on everything you now suddenly equate the right to having an opinion with being experienced in that field? I think we better shut the forum down in that case...

There is also the question of why in sweet fuck I would want to go to a DJ night and put myself through that sub-musician shite!

But having said that, I can bet my bojos I'd make a better go of it than if I handed my Ibanez to 99.99% of DJ's and asked them to do some shredding!

Again, I allude to my footballer/person showing football videos metaphor.

DJs aren't musicians . Facht

Do I express an opinion on everything? No.

Do I have experience DJing? Yes I do.

Also of playing guitar, a bit.

Both are hard to do.

Maybe you should try DJing then comment on the skill it takes?
But you won't because you don't like it.
Fair enough, but it takes years of hard work to get competency in DJing.