Evening Standard, Lady Bracewell-Smith: Sack all the Arsenal

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northbankbren wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:
olgitgooner wrote: The fact that she has contradicted herself means that her comments can't be trusted. One way, or the other. I think. :?
I cannot understand why she Tweets about Arsenal?

She has sold her shares and is no longer a board member.

If she wants to establish herself as a blogger/media commentator on football finance or Arsenal business matters then it her choice, but she is making a mess of it.

She has made a name for herself but she has no clear identity...if she is serious about making changes at Arsenal then she should either write a tell-all book (unethical but Forum members would lap it up!) or should have sold shares to Usmanov and tried a rival bid to Kroenke.
Or if she actually cared so much, kept her shares, pushed the board to make changes, invested in the club, and pushed for the improvements that our club clearly need. But no, she sold out. I couldnt give a fuck what she has to say for herself. "Couldnt handle a powerful woman on the board"......

"Powerfull", yeah rite thats why you got bullied of the board luv, as I said before if the club was so badly run, why didnt you use this "power", grow a pair, and stand up to them?

Fucking bitch whore. :evil:
Can you get off the fence please Bren? :lol:

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kingjayson1 wrote:
northbankbren wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:
olgitgooner wrote: The fact that she has contradicted herself means that her comments can't be trusted. One way, or the other. I think. :?
I cannot understand why she Tweets about Arsenal?

She has sold her shares and is no longer a board member.

If she wants to establish herself as a blogger/media commentator on football finance or Arsenal business matters then it her choice, but she is making a mess of it.

She has made a name for herself but she has no clear identity...if she is serious about making changes at Arsenal then she should either write a tell-all book (unethical but Forum members would lap it up!) or should have sold shares to Usmanov and tried a rival bid to Kroenke.
Or if she actually cared so much, kept her shares, pushed the board to make changes, invested in the club, and pushed for the improvements that our club clearly need. But no, she sold out. I couldnt give a fuck what she has to say for herself. "Couldnt handle a powerful woman on the board"......

"Powerfull", yeah rite thats why you got bullied of the board luv, as I said before if the club was so badly run, why didnt you use this "power", grow a pair, and stand up to them?

Fucking bitch whore. :evil:
Can you get off the fence please Bren? :lol:
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olgitgooner wrote:
Babu wrote:I was very disappointed when she twattered that David Dein was the root cause of all the troubles at the Club.

Glad she has changed that...
Having initially been critical of Dein's role at the club, Bracewell-Smith backtracked on her earlier claims that he was "the root cause of all the troubles at AFC". She tweeted today: "I stand corrected, Dein loves the club and although sometimes personalities fall out his contribution at Arsenal has been immense.
DD was in no way the 'root cause of all the troubles at AFC'. I don't want to speak ill of the dead or the living, so I'll leave it there for now.
The fact that she has contradicted herself means that her comments can't be trusted. One way, or the other. I think. :?
Yeah, hadn't thought of it like that, but agreed. It's a pretty perfect 180 degree turn, so who knows what to think. Don't even know if she actually knows what to think.

DD - Satan or God? Or just some bloke trying to live his life like the rest of us - making good and bad decisions - like the rest of us?

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I think maybe David Dein's ego got the better of him. :wink:

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goonersid wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
GoonerSA wrote:I'd hit that.

Just saying.
You'd be nuts deep in my slop if you did, mate. 8)

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:pixie2: VERY, VERY RICH Fucking granny shaggers.
there fixed that for you. :wink:

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QuartzGooner wrote:I cannot understand why she Tweets about Arsenal?

She has sold her shares and is no longer a board member.

If she wants to establish herself as a blogger/media commentator on football finance or Arsenal business matters then it her choice, but she is making a mess of it.

She has made a name for herself but she has no clear identity...if she is serious about making changes at Arsenal then she should either write a tell-all book (unethical but Forum members would lap it up!) or should have sold shares to Usmanov and tried a rival bid to Kroenke.
Why shouldn't she form an opinion on Arsenal? She's an Arsenal fan, has an insight to how the board works (or worked until two years ago), clearly loves the club and wants what's best for it.

One one hand people are bitching about how opaque our board are with cleverly presented forums by a suave American who glazes over difficult questions, but on the other hand people see fit to insult someone who does provide the answers just because they don't see eye to eye with the lord and savior Dein.

And the "Dein was the root of all problems" is vastly taken out of context - he was the root of problems at board level, it has nothing to do with the on the pitch performance. He opposed the building of a new stadium, didn't get on with other board members (according to NBS) and created tension at board meetings.

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Sorry but I happen to think that she has a point in relation to the board. She should be applauded for what she has said, even if it is part of her own agenda.

They have no dynamism and change to some of the personnel is long overdue. Peter Hill Wood continues to be somewhat of an embarrasment with his silly comments.

I think Lady Nina has as much right to speak on all matters Arenal as anyone else has and the difference between her and all of us is that she has been in the inner circle and her views come from personal experience. I would rather hear her view about things she actually knows about than the conjecture of your average poster, like me and everyone else on this forum, who has little fact to base opinion.

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Arsenal chairman tells Bracewell-Smith to 'stop complaining' after Twitter attackBy Sportsmail Reporter

Last updated at 10:11 AM on 29th June 2011

Comments (1) Add to My Stories Share Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood has hit back at criticism of the Gunners board from former director Lady Bracewell-Smith.

Bracewell-Smith, who left the north London club in December 2008, wrote on Twitter: 'I agree that current board should all go.
'They are passe. Have nothing more to give to the club at all. In time we will need a more dynamic pro-active, younger board, and a good directional leadership.'

Speaking her mind: Bracewell-Smith hit out at he Arsenal board on Twitter
But Hill-Wood, responding in the Daily Star, said: 'I wouldn't pay any attention to it myself.

'I don't know why she is suddenly sounding off. She should keep herself quiet and not complain.'

Bracewell-Smith sold her 15.9 per cent holding to Stan Kroenke in April, which paved the way for the American to launch a full-blown takeover.
Rebuke: Peter Hill-Wood (right) has rubbished the claims made by Bracewell-Smith
Bracewell-Smith has been largely silent since she was ousted from the board two years ago, yet claims now she had been forced out by ‘male chauvinism’.

'[They] couldn't handle a woman with power on the board', she added. 'Felt insecure. Male chauvinism'.
She also said former chief executive David Dein was the ‘root cause’ of the club’s problems, but later deleted some of her tweets and backtracked over Dein.
Lagging behind: Arsenal have struggled to keep up with Manchester United in recent seasons

Bracewell-Smith then went on to criticise former Arsenal vice-chairman, claiming Dein was 'the root cause of all the troubles at AFC,' before performing a U-turn.
'I stand corrected,' she tweeted on Tuesday. 'Dein loves the club and although sometimes personalities fall out his contribution at Arsenal has been immense.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z1Qfdbp3PL

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A dallying Gus Caesar wrote:Sorry but I happen to think that she has a point in relation to the board. She should be applauded for what she has said, even if it is part of her own agenda.

They have no dynamism and change to some of the personnel is long overdue. Peter Hill Wood continues to be somewhat of an embarrasment with his silly comments.

I think Lady Nina has as much right to speak on all matters Arenal as anyone else has and the difference between her and all of us is that she has been in the inner circle and her views come from personal experience. I would rather hear her view about things she actually knows about than the conjecture of your average poster, like me and everyone else on this forum, who has little fact to base opinion.
Totally agree with the bit I've highlighted. And with very good reason. :wink:

But she hasn't come across with any facts (that sounds strangely familiar). And she has totally backtracked on what she said about David Dein. She also seems to be massaging her ego with all this stuff on twitter. She should have had a pop at the board when she still had the shares her husband gave her. We don't know if she had a productive and dynamic presence on the board or not. I tend to think not, based on her recent performances on twitter.

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storrmin571 wrote:Arsenal chairman tells Bracewell-Smith to 'stop complaining' after Twitter attackBy Sportsmail Reporter


But Hill-Wood, responding in the Daily Star, said: 'I wouldn't pay any attention to it myself.

'I don't know why she is suddenly sounding off. She should keep herself quiet and not complain.'
Allegedly Hill-Wood said a bit more than that. Obviously not substantiated, but this was in the Daily Star...
But Hill-Wood said: “I wouldn’t pay any attention to it myself. I don’t know why she is suddenly sounding off.

“She put something like £100m in her pocket and she didn’t earn a penny of it. She should keep herself quiet and not complain.â€

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Babu wrote:
storrmin571 wrote:Arsenal chairman tells Bracewell-Smith to 'stop complaining' after Twitter attackBy Sportsmail Reporter


But Hill-Wood, responding in the Daily Star, said: 'I wouldn't pay any attention to it myself.

'I don't know why she is suddenly sounding off. She should keep herself quiet and not complain.'
Allegedly Hill-Wood said a bit more than that. Obviously not substantiated, but this was in the Daily Star...
But Hill-Wood said: “I wouldn’t pay any attention to it myself. I don’t know why she is suddenly sounding off.

“She put something like £100m in her pocket and she didn’t earn a penny of it. She should keep herself quiet and not complain.â€

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olgitgooner wrote:
A dallying Gus Caesar wrote:Sorry but I happen to think that she has a point in relation to the board. She should be applauded for what she has said, even if it is part of her own agenda.

They have no dynamism and change to some of the personnel is long overdue. Peter Hill Wood continues to be somewhat of an embarrasment with his silly comments.

I think Lady Nina has as much right to speak on all matters Arenal as anyone else has and the difference between her and all of us is that she has been in the inner circle and her views come from personal experience. I would rather hear her view about things she actually knows about than the conjecture of your average poster, like me and everyone else on this forum, who has little fact to base opinion.
Totally agree with the bit I've highlighted. And with very good reason. :wink:

But she hasn't come across with any facts (that sounds strangely familiar). And she has totally backtracked on what she said about David Dein. She also seems to be massaging her ego with all this stuff on twitter. She should have had a pop at the board when she still had the shares her husband gave her. We don't know if she had a productive and dynamic presence on the board or not. I tend to think not, based on her recent performances on twitter.
Why would she come across wth facts? Like Keith Edelman she is trying to protect her reputation now as things make their way to the surface that call the Board's conduct of recent years into serious question, as they call her own personal conduct into question too as she was on that Board.

She wants to protect her image and she like Mr. Edelman can only say or do so much to do so, becuase if they spill everything they will expose their own bad behavior as well as that of others on the Board and they don't want that.

What would you expect her to say - "Yes I decided to go along with Mr. Fiszman and the rest of the Board to cash in at the highest possible personal profit, because if she spoke up she would have to acknowledge that. I made no effort to stop them going forward or to warn of what thery were doing because I knew I would make a hige personal profit as well? And that mattered to me more than whther it was best for the football club to procede in this manner..."

I mean that is about all she can say really beyond what she is saying.

But what is happening in all the finger-pointing underway is someone will say too much. History tells us to bet on Mr. Hill-Wood who already came dangerously close here with this latest set of comments. Would have been most interesting to see if he had been asked how he earned that 5.7 million he made cashing in at 12 K a share when Lady Nina did. My guess is if Mr. Fiszman were still with us Mr. Hill-Wood would have gottten one hell of a bollocking about shutting the fuck up.

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USMartin wrote:
olgitgooner wrote:
A dallying Gus Caesar wrote:Sorry but I happen to think that she has a point in relation to the board. She should be applauded for what she has said, even if it is part of her own agenda.

They have no dynamism and change to some of the personnel is long overdue. Peter Hill Wood continues to be somewhat of an embarrasment with his silly comments.

I think Lady Nina has as much right to speak on all matters Arenal as anyone else has and the difference between her and all of us is that she has been in the inner circle and her views come from personal experience. I would rather hear her view about things she actually knows about than the conjecture of your average poster, like me and everyone else on this forum, who has little fact to base opinion.
Totally agree with the bit I've highlighted. And with very good reason. :wink:

But she hasn't come across with any facts (that sounds strangely familiar). And she has totally backtracked on what she said about David Dein. She also seems to be massaging her ego with all this stuff on twitter. She should have had a pop at the board when she still had the shares her husband gave her. We don't know if she had a productive and dynamic presence on the board or not. I tend to think not, based on her recent performances on twitter.
Why would she come across wth facts? Like Keith Edelman she is trying to protect her reputation now as things make their way to the surface that call the Board's conduct of recent years into serious question, as they call her own personal conduct into question too as she was on that Board.

She wants to protect her image and she like Mr. Edelman can only say or do so much to do so, becuase if they spill everything they will expose their own bad behavior as well as that of others on the Board and they don't want that.

But what is happening in all the finger-pointing underway is someone will say too much. History tells us to bet on Mr. Hill-Wood who already came dangerously close here with this latest set of comments. Would have been most interesting to see if he had been asked how he earned that 5.7 million he made cashing in at 12 K a share when Lady Nina did. My guess is if Mr. Fiszman were still with us Mr. Hill-Wood would have gottten one hell of a bollocking about shutting the fuck up.


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USMartin wrote:
Like Mr. Hill-Wood earned that 5.7 million he cashed in for with his family's heritage you mean? When he cashed in the same time as Lady bracewell-Smith did? But let's not ask him about that, eh?
I agree with you Martin, but then you know that I don't really hold the Board in the highest regard either.

They all got an earner out of it, and while I guess that is their right to do so now, and what I expected them to do, it is quite amazing how things have changed.

In 1983, when Hill-Wood found a mug to buy 16% of Arsenal for £292,000, he famously said...
"I think he's crazy. To all intents and purposes, it's dead money."
Of course at that time buying shares in a football club was not intended to be something you did to earn money from - it was much more a commitment to look after the Club, acting as a custodian for the future.

Quite incredible though that 16% of The Arsenal had a value of £292,000 in 1983, and that Nina BS's 15.9% now had a value of £123m.

Dead money indeed.

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