AST Meeting tonight

[TeeCee]

Arsene Wenger - single handedly destroying Arsenal Football Club since 2006.

Anyone who tries to defend this utter *word censored* in light of all the evidence of his horrendous and totally misguided ideals is as guilty as he is. Have you seen his latest comments? No chance of winning the CL.......as true as we all know that is, on the back of his 'happy to finish 2nd for the next 20 years' it's disgraceful. Would any other so called top manager ever say something like that? No is the answer. He then says he broke his own 'rule' by signing someone with the physique of Mertesacker because he likes to sign smaller players because we are a 'technical' team! Despite seeing us being taken apart year after year.
Wenger an Arsenal legend? Don't make me laugh, the man is a joke, a fraud, a liar, a *word censored*.

[augie]

There can be no doubr that baba more or less hit the nail on the head with those point of views - I too find it both amazing and incomprehensible that there are still fans out there who continue to refuse to blame wenger for his share of this fiasco and instead seek to lay the blame at the feet of ivan (who is also not blameless btw) or pat rice (laughable I know ) There are so so many issues that can be directly attributed to wenger that any decent manager would have at least acknowledged and tried to remedy by now and I would be confident that such a manager would make huge inroads into correcting within a year should wenger fcuk off. Of course in an ideal world we would have a stronger board, motivated by success not share prices and capable of taking decisive action against employee's not performing at an acceptable level (this applies to more than just wenger btw) but instead we are stuck with the self annointed "moral custodians of this club" ( ) who were 100% committed to our club and with no intention of selling their shares for a huge windfall

Quick question......is it possible that the AST's reluctance to attribute blame to wenger is also derived from some sort of awareness of a potential crash in share prices if wenger is removed ? Lets face it these people have all contributed financially to buy shares in a club whose share prices continues to rise despite a lack of on field success so these people could be stuck in a middle ground where they are investors/share speculators and fans and whose interests sometimes conflict

[Metalheadz Gooner]

Vote Babatunde.

[flash gunner]

Quick question......is it possible that the AST's reluctance to attribute blame to wenger is also derived from some sort of awareness of a potential crash in share prices if wenger is removed ? Lets face it these people have all contributed financially to buy shares in a club whose share prices continues to rise despite a lack of on field success so these people could be stuck in a middle ground where they are investors/share speculators and fans and whose interests sometimes conflict

Excellent point augie and it might have created a conflict of interests within AST, never thought of that before

[Babatunde]

The board at Arsenal have been a problem for many many years. People like Terry Neil have talked about not being given the money to replace players or build to a team. Of course Wenger is to blame for a lot of stuff, but the reason the board wont get rid is because he gets them their CL money. So greed has bred icompetence.

The whole situation is a mess. What we need is someone to actually buy the club, get a new manager in and a clearer vision of the future

Spot on.

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

There can be no doubr that baba more or less hit the nail on the head with those point of views - I too find it both amazing and incomprehensible that there are still fans out there who continue to refuse to blame wenger for his share of this fiasco and instead seek to lay the blame at the feet of ivan (who is also not blameless btw) or pat rice (laughable I know ) There are so so many issues that can be directly attributed to wenger that any decent manager would have at least acknowledged and tried to remedy by now and I would be confident that such a manager would make huge inroads into correcting within a year should wenger fcuk off. Of course in an ideal world we would have a stronger board, motivated by success not share prices and capable of taking decisive action against employee's not performing at an acceptable level (this applies to more than just wenger btw) but instead we are stuck with the self annointed "moral custodians of this club" ( ) who were 100% committed to our club and with no intention of selling their shares for a huge windfall

Quick question......is it possible that the AST's reluctance to attribute blame to wenger is also derived from some sort of awareness of a potential crash in share prices if wenger is removed ? Lets face it these people have all contributed financially to buy shares in a club whose share prices continues to rise despite a lack of on field success so these people could be stuck in a middle ground where they are investors/share speculators and fans and whose interests sometimes conflict

Can't agree with this for two reasons:
1) The sheer number of members in the AST means that a vote to sell any shares to make financial gain is very unlikely. Most AST members, like myself, pay their £2 in order to keep at least some part of the club in the hands of the fans - Share price is irrelevant
2) If the share price was to go down it would in fact benefit the AST as they will be in the position to buy more shares at the reduced price and have a larger say in the clubs matters.

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

Not sure why my font size was so large . . .

[kiwomya]

have a few questions.

3. I'd just like to repeat the point that Vela, Diaby and Bendtner being out on loan is costing the club £10 million a year. Wenger's incompetence subsidised by you, the Arsenal fee-paying match goer. What is it the AKBs say again abut the club being 'run the right way'? One one hand poor little Arsene 'cannot compete' with the big clubs financially...but on the other hand, he is paying over £10 mil for other clubs to have our players and paying £15 mil for League 1 teenagers. Riiiiiiiiiight.....

You heard that right: Diaby earns more than Modric. Considering it is Wenger who decides which players to award which contracts, I will ask again just how it is Gazidis that should be the focus of fan ire?
Gazidis wasn't even at Arsenal when money was so stupidly wasted on Diaby, on Walcott and on Eboue. WHY does the person who is to blame continually get away with this? Are people that brainwashed?

Diaby isn't out on loan.

Diaby has had a couple of contract extensions since Gazidis and co have been involved. His wage would have no doubt been raised during these. That's how most of the average tat at Arsenal get the wages they are on.

Wenger and Gazidis aren't the only people involved in "upstairs" business at Arsenal. I think people just find it easier to blame either one so they have face for their anger.

I appreciate they are, to a certain extent, accountable but it doesn't rule out others at the club making mistakes.

[DB10GOONER]

Not sure why my font size was so large . . .

In internet etiquette you were basically screaming at augie.

[Reg Niseth]

There can be no doubr that baba more or less hit the nail on the head with those point of views - I too find it both amazing and incomprehensible that there are still fans out there who continue to refuse to blame wenger for his share of this fiasco and instead seek to lay the blame at the feet of ivan (who is also not blameless btw) or pat rice (laughable I know ) There are so so many issues that can be directly attributed to wenger that any decent manager would have at least acknowledged and tried to remedy by now and I would be confident that such a manager would make huge inroads into correcting within a year should wenger fcuk off. Of course in an ideal world we would have a stronger board, motivated by success not share prices and capable of taking decisive action against employee's not performing at an acceptable level (this applies to more than just wenger btw) but instead we are stuck with the self annointed "moral custodians of this club" ( ) who were 100% committed to our club and with no intention of selling their shares for a huge windfall

Quick question......is it possible that the AST's reluctance to attribute blame to wenger is also derived from some sort of awareness of a potential crash in share prices if wenger is removed ? Lets face it these people have all contributed financially to buy shares in a club whose share prices continues to rise despite a lack of on field success so these people could be stuck in a middle ground where they are investors/share speculators and fans and whose interests sometimes conflict

Can't agree with this for two reasons:
1) The sheer number of members in the AST means that a vote to sell any shares to make financial gain is very unlikely. Most AST members, like myself, pay their £2 in order to keep at least some part of the club in the hands of the fans - Share price is irrelevant
2) If the share price was to go down it would in fact benefit the AST as they will be in the position to buy more shares at the reduced price and have a larger say in the clubs matters.

At a previous AST meeting they voted NOT to sell to Kroenke, some individuals also stated that despite getting a great personal offer (Usmanov offering £13-£14k) they would not sell.

the whole point of Fanshare is to keep a fans voice.

[alanalansunderland]

Just to clarify a point seemingly made about the AST and putting the blame on Gazidis.

This is not AST's view, it is the view of one particular member who e-mailed the trust recently. The AST has no policy of requesting a vote of no confidence in Gazidis.

Within the trust there are varying views which i think were summed up in the end of season survey. For instance when asked whether Arsene has taken the club as far as he can if we do not win a trophy this season, 42% said yes, but 40% said no!

The comment about the share price is wrong as well. it clearly states with the prospectus for the sharesave that it should not really be seen as a vehicle to make profit on. The commitment is to hold the shares long term and build a credible supporter representation within the club.

With 2000 members and £1,000,000 invested within the year I think the trust is progressing well. Just think what we could do if we got 10,000 people contributing?

The minimum you can put in is a tenner a month, that equates to 30p a day. I think most if not all can afford 30p a day.

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

Not sure why my font size was so large . . .

In internet etiquette you were basically screaming at augie.

Ah you got me

Thought I styled it out well for a minute

[RoscommonGooner]

With 2000 members and £1,000,000 invested within the year I think the trust is progressing well. Just think what we could do if we got 10,000 people contributing?

The minimum you can put in is a tenner a month, that equates to 30p a day. I think most if not all can afford 30p a day.

£5,000,000

[Babatunde]

have a few questions.

3. I'd just like to repeat the point that Vela, Diaby and Bendtner being out on loan is costing the club £10 million a year. Wenger's incompetence subsidised by you, the Arsenal fee-paying match goer. What is it the AKBs say again abut the club being 'run the right way'? One one hand poor little Arsene 'cannot compete' with the big clubs financially...but on the other hand, he is paying over £10 mil for other clubs to have our players and paying £15 mil for League 1 teenagers. Riiiiiiiiiight.....

You heard that right: Diaby earns more than Modric. Considering it is Wenger who decides which players to award which contracts, I will ask again just how it is Gazidis that should be the focus of fan ire?
Gazidis wasn't even at Arsenal when money was so stupidly wasted on Diaby, on Walcott and on Eboue. WHY does the person who is to blame continually get away with this? Are people that brainwashed?

Diaby isn't out on loan.

Diaby has had a couple of contract extensions since Gazidis and co have been involved. His wage would have no doubt been raised during these. That's how most of the average tat at Arsenal get the wages they are on.

Wenger and Gazidis aren't the only people involved in "upstairs" business at Arsenal. I think people just find it easier to blame either one so they have face for their anger.

I appreciate they are, to a certain extent, accountable but it doesn't rule out others at the club making mistakes.

I obviously meant Denilson being out on loan, not Diaby (though they're both so shit it's easy to confuse them)...

[I Hate Hleb]

Just to clarify a point seemingly made about the AST and putting the blame on Gazidis.

This is not AST's view, it is the view of one particular member who e-mailed the trust recently. The AST has no policy of requesting a vote of no confidence in Gazidis.

Within the trust there are varying views which i think were summed up in the end of season survey. For instance when asked whether Arsene has taken the club as far as he can if we do not win a trophy this season, 42% said yes, but 40% said no!

The comment about the share price is wrong as well. it clearly states with the prospectus for the sharesave that it should not really be seen as a vehicle to make profit on. The commitment is to hold the shares long term and build a credible supporter representation within the club.

With 2000 members and £1,000,000 invested within the year I think the trust is progressing well. Just think what we could do if we got 10,000 people contributing?

The minimum you can put in is a tenner a month, that equates to 30p a day. I think most if not all can afford 30p a day.

Problem is that there are no shares out there for the Fan Share scheme to buy, as the AST admitted themselves, because Kroenke and Usmanov have snapped them all up. Given that this is unlikely to change for a while, or if it does, it will probably only be via one of the major shareholders selling out to the other, how will 'Fan Share' ever get into a position where they can truly have an influence on the club?