Vieira lording it at City

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:21 pm

1989 wrote:Yeah, it is very very sad. But, I've always thought that Vieira, though an absolutely brilliant player, was a complete twat of a man. Even when he played for us. Deep down, I think most of us did too. That and the fact he wasn't really in the same category as the likes of Adams in terms of his devotion to the club. Remember his summer antics? He used to flirt with Real Madrid on a yearly basis, and I reckon if not for our success at the time, he would've fucked off long before his eventual departure. He's also a clear mercenary and if offered the same job by us he'd still choose them as they will pay him a hell of a lot more than we would.

It is my understanding that he was offered a job by Arsenal (more or less at the same time as shitty did) on half of what he's getting there (rumoured to be Â£185k per month)...he was offered a coaching role but went for the bigger bucks instead and so sits in a swish office rather than get wet & muddy on a training ground..sad but true...

1989 · Post by **1989** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:24 pm

As for TA considering Utd, two things: Utd were never our rivals. We had a few run ins with them, stemming from the fact we both were rivals for the title every year. That's all. They certainly are no rivals for anything right now, that's for sure. You can't compare Adams cosidering them to Vieira considering our enemies. It's not on the same level. Besides, Tone ended up staying with us his whole career so it's all moot.

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:25 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
I Hate Hleb wrote:What a load of old nonsense!! My god, the way some fans turn on players - and in this case an all-time legend - the minute they leave the club is embarrassing!! When are some of you going to get it into your thick skulls that the players never have and never will have the same sort of loyalty towards the club that we fans do? Enjoy what they gave us and move on for fucks sake!!
Untwist and put your knickers back on there, period breath!!

I think you will find I summed up the PV4 situation succinctly with my inciteful and brilliant post above.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:27 pm

1989 wrote:
goonersid wrote:
1989 wrote:Yeah, it is very very sad. But, I've always thought that Vieira, though an absolutely brilliant player, was a complete twat of a man. Even when he played for us. Deep down, I think most of us did too. That and the fact he wasn't really in the same category as the likes of Adams in terms of his devotion to the club. Remember his summer antics? He used to flirt with Real Madrid on a yearly basis, and I reckon if not for our success at the time, he would've fucked off long before his eventual departure. He's also a clear mercenary and if offered the same job by us he'd still choose them as they will play him a hell of a lot more than we would.
On what basis do you come to this "twat of a man" conclusion?
Also if you read "Addiction" you will know that Adams considered joining utd.
And do you suppose Henry would have stayed as long as he did were it not for our success?
Vieira gave 100% when he played for us, and was one of the very reasons we had that success.
The guy is an Arsenal legend end of.
The fact that many are now envious of his involvement at citeh and what they might achieve should never be allowed to change that.
There's no doubting that he's a legend, but a twat he also certainly is. Remember him spitting at Neil Ruddock? That was extremely embarrassing. Just an example. Vieira was an incredible player, but he did have a side to him too. Thing is, he was OUR twat so we tolerated him.

Also, I lost a lot of respect for him when he said he was open about a move to Spurs. SPURS! An Arsenal legend who captained the Invincibles wouldn't mind joining SPURS?

Whilst the ruddock incident was unfortunate, the *word censored* had cheated to get Vieira sent off (as far as I can remember), it should be also not be overlooked that "spitting" is in many countries considered a away of showing utter contempt for someone, and would not be viewed with quite the distaste it is here.
As for the s***s link, I would take that with a pinch of salt, most of that seemed to be coming from twitchy's mouth, and may have been simply gesturing on his part.
Even where it true, which I doubt, then it would be no different to Jennings move to Arsenal. A player (legend) discarded by their club, and in Vieira's case overlooked for a return when he was exactly what we could have been doing with 2 or 3 seasons ago.

As for the Adams comment in your subsequent thread, Tony considered leaving when Arsenal where in a rut and when utd were indeed on the up in the mid to late 90s.

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:10 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
I Hate Hleb wrote:What a load of old nonsense!! My god, the way some fans turn on players - and in this case an all-time legend - the minute they leave the club is embarrassing!! When are some of you going to get it into your thick skulls that the players never have and never will have the same sort of loyalty towards the club that we fans do? Enjoy what they gave us and move on for fucks sake!!
Untwist and put your knickers back on there, period breath!!

I think you will find I summed up the PV4 situation succinctly with my inciteful and brilliant post above.

I know. I just thought it might be better in plain old-fashioned English!!

Zippy · Post by **Zippy** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:57 pm

1989 wrote:Yeah, it is very very sad. But, I've always thought that Vieira, though an absolutely brilliant player, was a complete twat of a man. Even when he played for us. Deep down, I think most of us did too. That and the fact he wasn't really in the same category as the likes of Adams in terms of his devotion to the club. Remember his summer antics? He used to flirt with Real Madrid on a yearly basis, and I reckon if not for our success at the time, he would've fucked off long before his eventual departure. He's also a clear mercenary and if offered the same job by us he'd still choose them as they will play him a hell of a lot more than we would.

I agree with that. The bloke should take a large share of the responsibility for the Ashely Cole debacle imo - which in retrospect can very much be viewed as the first seed of trouble at the end of the most successful period in the club's history - as he was the one whispering "ask for more money, ask for more money" in Ashley's ear throughout the contract negotiations.

in my heart · Post by **in my heart** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:11 pm

Viera is a legend...end of.
Do you really expect Wenger to take on someone like Viera who may dare question him or offer different opinions/perspectives??
Wenger surrounds himself with total 'Yes' men in order to retain the control he desires.
If Wenger did not have total control he would have gone when Madrid were tapping him up 3 years ago.

Rosie_titters · Post by **Rosie_titters** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:19 pm

i know one thing the bloke always gave 110% - and we were at our most successful under Wenger when Vieira was there, things started to go tits up when he left in 2005 - and no one knows the real reasons why he hasn't come back to Arsenal in a coaching role

PV4 total legend and fans who rubbish him, are :awnker:

topcat · Post by **topcat** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:44 pm

To save waffling on.. i agree with 1989 on this one.

Nobody is denying PV to be a legend, one of my all time favourties in fact.

But he always wanted to get out of arsenal in my opinion! Even when we were the greatest team in england by a mile!! Now if that wasn't enough for him? what was?

UTU · Post by **UTU** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:49 am

Patrick Vieria was the last Arsenal Captain to win a trophy and was sold by the Arsenal for short term profit. What have Arsenal achieved on the pitch since his departure ?

Dennis Bergkamp would have let go by the club sooner if it was not for 'fans' campainging for him to be given 1 more year. I have'nt forgotten the disgracefull way they treated the man.

What about the way the club treated Paddy Galligan RIP, the Highbury Handyman who worked and was well repected at the club for over 30 years. He lost his job when moved to the spacebowl. Why did they sack this Loyal Employee ?

Arsenal FC has priced out its Loyal Working Support who financed the club for over a century. The club doesn't show any loyalty to anyone but their owners, Directors and Wenger. Arsenal FC are now a Corporate Club, their Loyalty is too 'Profit/Money' Operated by cynical 'Business Men'

Arsenal FC did not make any serious attempt to bring back Vieria or Bergkamp back to the club. Martin Keown was defensive Coach in 2005/6 season, we conceded no goals in the Champions League untill we reached the final. Why was he sacked by the Club ?

I will allways follow The Arsenal but the club is not the same club I have suuported since the 70(s) I won't be giving the club a single penny untill we have 'Regime Change'

Good Luck to Patrick Vieria and Dennis Bergkamp at City and Ajax

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:52 am

Paddy is an intelligent guy. That's why he sees Man City as the better bet. Anyone having a pop at him is as bad as Wenger expecting Nasri and Fabregas to stay at Arsenal purely out of loyalty.

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:52 am

Selling Patrick wasn't the issue, he wasn't the same player that final year and has never been since. It was not replacing him that cost us

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:56 am

rigsby wrote:Selling Patrick wasn't the issue, he wasn't the same player that final year and has never been since. It was not replacing him that cost us

Correct. Look at the list of replacements - all have left, or aren't good enough.... Flamini, Gilberto, Denilson, Song.

King Vieira · Post by **King Vieira** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:56 am

frankbutcher wrote:
rigsby wrote:Selling Patrick wasn't the issue, he wasn't the same player that final year and has never been since. It was not replacing him that cost us
Correct. Look at the list of replacements - all have left, or aren't good enough.... Flamini, Gilberto, Denilson, Song.

Agreed, we should have tried harder to keep Flamini who was a quality DM. Same with Gilberto, who should have been captain instead of Gallas, bags of experience too.

Ah well, Arsene knows.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:00 am

rigsby wrote:Selling Patrick wasn't the issue, he wasn't the same player that final year and has never been since. It was not replacing him that cost us

Bang on the money, rigsby. His decline as a player was sharp and quite sudden. A great great player at his peak but he was poor that last season.