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Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:39 am

I really do think Scott Parker is overrated.

It is a lot easier to look good as a midfielder when you have such a limited role such as 'sweeping up' in front of a back four. Yes, it can be effective for a team but that doesn't mean the player doing the role is that good, just well disciplined.

I am sure if you asked Ramsey to play that role he would look just as good if not better but the fact is he is a more complete player with more to give.

Scott Parker, just the 'in thing' at the moment.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:52 am

Percy Dalton wrote:I really do think Scott Parker is overrated.

It is a lot easier to look good as a midfielder when you have such a limited role such as 'sweeping up' in front of a back four. Yes, it can be effective for a team but that doesn't mean the player doing the role is that good, just well disciplined.

I am sure if you asked Ramsey to play that role he would look just as good if not better but the fact is he is a more complete player with more to give.

Scott Parker, just the 'in thing' at the moment.

Agree 100%. In addition I would say that those players also tend to get shown up eventually when they come up against top class passing sides when they look off the pace - and before everyone leaps to Parker's defence by saying what a good game he had against Spain (and he did to be fair), one international friendly is hardly a yardstick. Spain's recent record in friendlies has been crap, lets see how it pans out next Summer.

It wasn't long ago Gareth Barry was hailed as a great holdng midfield who gave balance to the England / City sides. I didn't hear many people saying the same when he looked as mobile as a tortoise with a limp in South Africa and the best attacking team in the competition, Germany, made a fool out of him. Carrick's another one who flatters to deceive - when the Mancs are rolling over the 4th seeds in their CL Group, commentators are forever going on about his efficient use of the ball etc......try watching him against Barca or one of the other top clubs in Europe, the game passes him by.

Parker's have a decent run but there's a reason why Chelsea got rid of him and why he earned one cap up to the age of 30. He really isn't that good.

However, Spurs at the moment look second only to City, IMO. Much as it galls me to say it, having Bale, Lennon, Modric and Van Der Vaart as an attacking four gives them so many creative options. Probably as good a midfield as any in the PL at the moment, again with the probable exception of City's

Eboue-Why? · Post by **Eboue-Why?** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:00 am

An injury to monkey boy or the little girl in midfield and let's see what happens shall we?

kiwomya · Post by **kiwomya** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:04 am

Adebayor is on a season long loan and Friedal is about 40 years old. Hardly two positions sorted in the long term though is it? Same old Redknapp formula.

bunch · Post by **bunch** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:07 am

As I wrote on the "4th spot" thread, they were very comfortable last night. Much as I hate the club, I think their team is pretty decent and play watchable football. And apart from Ade, the team isn't full of c**ts (like Chelsea or Man U or Man City) and most of their players would fit in well with us.

The missus doesn't like it when I flick the finger at the TV at what seems like random points in the game (actually when the camera pans to the scum in the stands, aka "scum shots") but otherwise it's not too hard watching the Totts on TV.

Anyway, prepare for a season without a St Totteringham's day.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:23 am

bunch wrote:Anyway, prepare for a season without a St Totteringham's day.

bit defeatist isn't it?

it is likely that both clubs may well get in the top 4 this season.
we just have to make sure we finish above them.

at the moment apart from our Blackburn defeat both clubs have very similar records this season

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:36 am

I never watch Spurs on TV, I even struggle to watch them play us as I hate them so much.

Parker is a decent player but I can't see the difference between what him and Arteta are both doing. Its a similar position and they're both doing it well. Parker does however, have a history of suddenly being fucked after a good first half.

They're doing well atm, but its a very long season. I'm unconcerned and I fancy order will be restored pretty soon when Spurs and Redknapp do the classic 'win 6 in a row get fucked 6 in a row' which he's perfected as a manager as of late.

SpanishJoe · Post by **SpanishJoe** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:36 am

I think people are going overboard on the Scum. They look decent but haven't struck the heights. They didn't even look good against us when we were in the doldrums.
Citeh look class, Man U seem to know how to win even when playing poorly, and then Liverpool, the Chavs, the Scum and us will fight it out.

I wanted us to sign Parker (provided the deal was right on wages and length of contract), not because I think he's great, but because I think he's better than what we've got in terms of ability and attitude and I think it's wrong to suggest that the sweeping role is easy (Song makes it look like dancing in concrete flippers) or that Ramsey could 'easily' do it better (how many times this season has he stood clueless while his man ran by him).

I don't think the Scum will get better and there are reasons to suspect that they'll get worse (vdVaart will drop off the pace, Adebayor will get the hump, and Arry's health/date with the High Court) and there are reasons to hope we'll improve (the new boys will get more used to the team and the Premier League and fitter, Jack will be back and no doubt AW will spend a fortune in Jan).

I'm still ready to celebrate St.Totteringham's Day.

stg · Post by **stg** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:38 am

Looking at the spuds recored this season at home they have played (PL positions) 1,6,7,8 & 9 and away 2,4,16,17,19 & 20. I know you can only beat who you are playing and all that but they have the more harder teams to play away(8 of the top 10) and their recored against top the 10 away so far is drawn 1 and lost 1

Arsenal have played home against 6,10,13,14,15 & 18 and away to 2,3,4,5,11 & 19

shu · Post by **shu** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:41 am

good post Baba and Stg , i think if we take into account who we will have at home that we can close the gap. Having JW back will make a difference and you like to think that we might bring a player or two in in Jan (he probably won't though will he)

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:48 am

Eboue-Why? wrote:An injury to monkey boy or the little girl in midfield and let's see what happens shall we?

In fairness, I think most people would say the same if RvP was to get injured for us, or Suarez for the Mickeys.

If Adebayor gets injured, their replacement choices are Defoe and Pavlyuchenko. If RvP gets injured we're down to Park and Chamakh.

Bale and Modric would be missed, but they have coped as well as anyone else with injuries. They've also been missing their first choice CB pairing for most of the season, and look how we were defending when Vermaelen was out for months.

I don't think they have any greater over-reliance on one or two players than ourselves, Liverpool or the Mancs.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:58 am

Percy Dalton wrote:I really do think Scott Parker is overrated.

It is a lot easier to look good as a midfielder when you have such a limited role such as 'sweeping up' in front of a back four. Yes, it can be effective for a team but that doesn't mean the player doing the role is that good, just well disciplined.

I am sure if you asked Ramsey to play that role he would look just as good if not better but the fact is he is a more complete player with more to give.

Scott Parker, just the 'in thing' at the moment.

And I think twitchy's pending court cas has sent him over the edge, he now reckons they can win the fucking league.

Bradywasking · Post by **Bradywasking** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:01 am

Part of the problem with Tottenham is the media going overboard about them..even a player from another club (Danny Murphy) was creaming himself last night, because it was Tottenham.. Aston Villa were as bad last night as we were at the start of the season. They lacked passion and ability.
If Arsenal had beaten the same Villa team in the same frame of mind the pundits and us in fairness would be saying these are the games we should be winning anyway.
If Tottenham had a run of injuries like ours I think they would suffer more than us, everyone fit and their team picks itself, they have good options upfront but Im not sure after that.
The big question also surrounds the fate of Harry with his January date with the Courts. If that goes wrong where would it leave Spurs ?

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:06 am

If RVP gets injured does anyone really believe we will finish above the Spuds? Chamakh and Park says it all

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:17 am

donaldo wrote:If RVP gets injured does anyone really believe we will finish above the Spuds? Chamakh and Park says it all

what if der fart gets injured? or adebayor?

sorry mate, i agree we don't have a replacement for RvP, but the spuds don't have the greatest squad depth either...

i have to admit though that this is the best spuds side i've seen

but i'm still positive that they'll fuck it all up before the season is over