wages and transfers question

[frankbutcher]

I've also run my own business and managed multi billion euro budgets for major multi nationals (no bullshit), but I still wonder if there is some technical accounting reason not to do it. Surely it can't be just down to pride! surely!

Arsenal do have a covenant that 75% of profits must be reinvested in the playing squad. However, that doesn't prevent you flogging the shit and buying some quality.

[_James_]

Arsenal will probably take a loss on a player up to a certain amount, usually youngsters on small contracts. But there is probably always the hope a club will come in with an offer like Chelsea did for Veron and Middlesbrough buying Woodgate from Madrid. So they can get something.

With Arshavin as he seems to be wanted, I would take what the money as he only has 6 months left even if we paid all 6 months wages we would still end up better off.

[Rosie_titters]

is there anyone on here, who runs there own business and knows about Balance sheets and profit and loss, too many people talk like it's Fifa 12 -

sell this bloke for 1m, get 50k off the wages, etc, etc

I advise businesses for a living. I see no reason not to flog a player cheap to get his wages off of the wage bill. If anything, your cash-flow is far more important than "assets" on the balance sheet. We have the stadium and the training ground which is far and away enough to keep us solvent. I would put our lack of effort to cut the dross more down to pride and or a blindness to how worthless these players really are.

we all know, you ran a dodgy used car lot and left poor old Pat in the lurch, when you had your breakdown...because Phil burnt the tramp on the back seat

[Chippy]

is there anyone on here, who runs there own business and knows about Balance sheets and profit and loss, too many people talk like it's Fifa 12 -

sell this bloke for 1m, get 50k off the wages, etc, etc

I advise businesses for a living. I see no reason not to flog a player cheap to get his wages off of the wage bill. If anything, your cash-flow is far more important than "assets" on the balance sheet. We have the stadium and the training ground which is far and away enough to keep us solvent. I would put our lack of effort to cut the dross more down to pride and or a blindness to how worthless these players really are.

we all know, you ran a dodgy used car lot and left poor old Pat in the lurch, when you had your breakdown...because Phil burnt the tramp on the back seat

Yeah but he's been dead (for real) for about 10 years so what's he doing on here?

[frankbutcher]

is there anyone on here, who runs there own business and knows about Balance sheets and profit and loss, too many people talk like it's Fifa 12 -

sell this bloke for 1m, get 50k off the wages, etc, etc

I advise businesses for a living. I see no reason not to flog a player cheap to get his wages off of the wage bill. If anything, your cash-flow is far more important than "assets" on the balance sheet. We have the stadium and the training ground which is far and away enough to keep us solvent. I would put our lack of effort to cut the dross more down to pride and or a blindness to how worthless these players really are.

we all know, you ran a dodgy used car lot and left poor old Pat in the lurch, when you had your breakdown...because Phil burnt the tramp on the back seat

Yeah but he's been dead (for real) for about 10 years so what's he doing on here?

I'm in the afterlife. The Albert Square in the sky has fit birds. No fat cloggers like Pat!

[brazilianGOONER]

ok, so in a nutshell, no one has a clue either about this

[arseofacrow]

ok, so in a nutshell, no one has a clue either about this

yep, so fuck off!

[brazilianGOONER]

ok, so in a nutshell, no one has a clue either about this

yep, so fuck off!

[QuartzGooner]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ansea.html



Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger defends his 'socialist’ wage plan ahead of FA Cup third-round tie with Swansea

Arsène Wenger has offered a fascinating insight into how he sets a “more socialist model” wage structure at Arsenal and how he believes that the looming financial fair play will end the era of players being paid £200,000 a week.



By Jason Burt, Football Correspondent

11:59PM GMT 05 Jan 2013


As he prepares to finally offer Theo Walcott close to the £100,000 a week the England international has been seeking for his new contract, Wenger revealed it was he himself who insisted that the gap between the club’s highest-earners and lowest-paid players is narrower than at the likes of Manchester City, Manchester United and Chelsea.

“We pay well. We pay very well,” Wenger said ahead of Sunday’s FA Cup third-round tie away to Swansea City. “I’ve spent all my life making sure people who work for us are paid well and I believe if you can do it, you do it.”

Wenger said that his principle was “to pay something that makes sense and is defendable in front of every single player” adding: “We make exceptions sometimes but they are not maybe so high. If you want to keep making profit you have to respect that.”

Walcott has been in a stand-off with Arsenal for months, having rejected a five-year deal worth £75,000 a week, an increase on his current £60,000-a-week earnings. The 23 year-old is a free agent in the summer and until recently it appeared he was more likely to leave than stay although Wenger is now optimistic, having also belatedly given Walcott the chance to play as a central striker, as he prepares to make the England international his club’s highest earner after Lukas Podolski.

Asked whether he set the wage structure at Arsenal, which has been criticised for having a too narrow band compared to other clubs, Wenger said: “Yes. I don’t know how it works at others. But it’s not only me, it’s in co-operation with the board. When we want to go 'far’ I ask for the authorisation of the board.”

However, it is understood that Wenger, once he is given a budget, sets the pay bands with the board deferring to his judgment. “We have no players on £200,000 a week and I think other clubs will come down to us with financial fair play,” he said. “We have a more socialist model.” Indeed Arsenal’s wage bill, at £143 million a year, according to the latest figures, is the fourth highest in the Premier League and yet the club has not won a trophy for seven years – although it has qualified for the Champions League every season.

One interesting comparison is that while United pay star names such as Wayne Rooney more than £200,000 a week, Danny Welbeck was earning £15,000 a week despite playing for the first-team until he signed an improved contract last August.

At Arsenal the top earner Podolski is reputed to earn just over £100,000 a week while several squad players are paid £60,000 a week. That explains how the average wage at United has been estimated at £64,000 a week while at Arsenal it is claimed to be £61,000 a week.

Wenger is one of the highest-paid managers, on £7 million a year, and he admitted that “it’s not enough” for Arsenal to simply qualify for the Champions League every year. It is time for a trophy to be won although, naturally, given it is only the third round of the competition he dismissed suggestions that the FA Cup represented Arsenal’s best chance this season.

“For people the Champions League is very important today,” Wenger said. “It makes a massive difference to everybody inside the club and to recruit the players and keep players. You need to be in the Champions League first.

“People always dispute that with me and I agree it’s not enough but it’s the basic requirement to keep the top, top level players. And after that you want to win trophies like the championship and the FA Cup and the Champions League.”

Winning trophies also, Wenger said, brings about a change in a team. “There is a change, of course . There is an aura around the team that is built through the history of the team and it makes them feel strong together and it’s quite an energy that builds up inside the team that you sense and it’s linked to the success that the team achieves.”

Wenger said he was acutely aware of the importance of winning silverware. “It would improve the confidence of the players and also the fact that you can be consistent — that improves the confidence,” he said. “It’s important to fight for the championship and as long as we don’t do that something will be questioned. That is where lies the strength of the club and the team.”

[augie]

When will the senile old fcuker wake up and realise that champs lge football doesn't help keep our best players as witnessed in the departures of Cesc,rvp,nasri.clichy,kolo etc

[Herd]

In the case of Squidly he doesn't want to go back to France as the tax there is higher than here .
The club have been trying to offload him for 2 seasons willing to offer him free and even subsidies his wages
but he is happy collecting coin !

I dont understand the Djourou LOAN,we are coming up to the 2/3 match a week part of the season and we have 4 center backs all of whom are injury prone so we need cover regardless of the fact he is mediocre at best !
I bet Hannover are not paying his full salary either .

Chamakh well thank fuck ,bet they are paying less than 50 k a week for him !

One of the biggest basic problems we have is we pay the dross too much which means we cant sell them ,yet Wenger doesn't see that this is hindering the team.

And this man has a degree in economics ,shame he doesn't have one in motivational psychology !

[supergeorgegraham]

As much money as Wenger has made in the transfer market his worst period has been from 2006 to now. I also agree that we only loan out players like Bendtner and Chamkah because nobody will pay their wages. We lose Van Persie because we wont pay his wages.
It is sickening to see Squallachi on so much money and obviously rubbing his hands as he does nothing with his footballing career. As much as these signings are mistakes by the Club you also have to question the modern day footballer and all of the players taking money and not agreeing to leave for other clubs because of a drop in wages are Scum.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

As much money as Wenger has made in the transfer market his worst period has been from 2006 to now. I also agree that we only loan out players like Bendtner and Chamkah because nobody will pay their wages. We lose Van Persie because we wont pay his wages.
It is sickening to see Squallachi on so much money and obviously rubbing his hands as he does nothing with his footballing career. As much as these signings are mistakes by the Club you also have to question the modern day footballer and all of the players taking money and not agreeing to leave for other clubs because of a drop in wages are Scum.

So, how many on here would take a drop of say 20,000 a week

I think what people are forgetting on here is that a footballer is at the end of the day a professional making money, they don't love or support the club, and lets be honest the likes of squilachi must nearly cum in their pants when the contract was signed.

Then you have to counter in other factors, for instance, their wives and kids. "Hey love you know I love my football so I am leaving arsenal to play more, I am on 60,000 a week at the moment and am being offered 30,000 and I think that's good enough, what say you?"
"Darling you know I love you, right? And will stand by you on MOST of your decisions, but if you do this I am fucking off you fucking retarded ugly *word censored*!!!!!"

Lets be honest most football players are with models who basically hold them to ransom, they women wouldn't even look twice at them if they weren't on such ludicrous wages.

Then there's the agent who got squiddy this amazing contract in the first place and who takes a percentage of earnings (this is how he makes his income, pays his massive mortgage, pays for the kids to go the best schools etc) and probably has a clause in his contract that stipulates "with regard to any of my clients wanting to move to a club just to play more football but on significantly lower wages, you will be liable to my loss in earnings!"

I just don't see many players with all things considered move to a club just to play football, their agent will make a lot more when they move on a free as he will demand a fat fee to let his client move and as said player has moved for free will command decent wages as well.

It's a no brainier and I don't blame them one bit.

[Skooner]

Isn't Joe Coles move to West Ham exactly what BG is on about. He had 18 months left of his contract at Liverpool, he is on less at West Ham and Liverpool are making up the difference for the next 18 months. Greedybayore also in a similar situation with the scum/City. Assuming they are both accurate (only what has been reported in the papers so no concrete evidence), then it does appear possible which begs the question why we don't do it.

And the answer is probably to do with the the players we are trying to get rid of not having a mentality of being desparate to play.

[kiwomya]

When will the senile old fcuker wake up and realise that champs lge football doesn't help keep our best players as witnessed in the departures of Cesc,rvp,nasri.clichy,kolo etc

To a certain extent it probably helped keep them for as long as we did, though. All those you named were at the club for a good few years each.

The Champions League still lures players in to Arsenal - obviously some good, some bad. Would Cazorla or Podolski have come to Arsenal if we were not in the Champions League? I would imagine they had other top European "name" teams after them in the summer. Arteta indicated that playing in Europe was a big reason to come to Arsenal from Everton.