HOW WOULD YOU DO BETTER THAN WENGER?

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Post by Red Member »

of course everything on here being discussed won't actually happen :D

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As much as I detest 'Arry, in a recent interview he said that the role of the manager is often overstated and that the key is getting in good players. Things could be done to improve our current perfomance but the bottom line is that we have too few good players.

Saggy chops also said that, when scouting a player, he learns as much talking to supporters as he does from watching the game and 'the wisdom of crowds' theory does work. As such, forget 'one more chance for Arshavin'. He's had endless chances and is always shit. Get rid and show the squad, the supporters and the country that AFC will never allow a lack of effort in games.

4-5-1 and 4-3-3 should be interchangeable depending on whether we're attacking or defending, but the wide players need to work hard and carry a goal-threat, which ours don't very often.

I'd keep Theo and Song as subs.
TV is a CB and should play there.
Jack isn't pacy.
Santos will be OK.
Theo can't play as a striker.

I'd like to see Arteta given the deeper, more creative holding role, without Song running random patterns around the field and I agree with playing an 'in the hole' player but it would be asking a lot of the Ox to be the pivot of the team.

Like recent seasons, given the poor state of most of the teams around us and our usual injury crisis (is it possible to have a permanent crisis?) plus the crap performance, it's amazing that we're still where we are. Some small improvements may see us still in the CL, but we've fucked up each season we've had a chance and probably will this year.

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Post by DB10GOONER »

Not going to bother listing what has basically been covered so well by most on this thread.

Alot of these suggestions are achievable in the short term too.

Maybe we should email this to Mr Knows! 8)

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Post by rigsby »

The suits thing has been something I've wanted back for ages. Arsenal always gave off the air of class, and that was part of it. Discipline starts from how you present yourself. Even city have a rather nifty light blue training jackets that they walk in with on. Just gives you something, and also a connection to the club.

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Post by bergkamp10 »

DB10GOONER wrote:Not going to bother listing what has basically been covered so well by most on this thread.

Alot of these suggestions are achievable in the short term too.

Maybe we should email this to Mr Knows! 8)
I would say that seriously there are some excellent points on here. Perhaps one of the moderators could actually send these thoughts to the club?

We know full well nothing will happen, but strong points as above need passing on to the club. I know I harp on endlessly about John Hollins but I meet this guys lots of times during and fater his Arsenal days, and he certainly said it was a privilege to first and foremost play for Arsenal. That the club had a strong tradition, recognition that standards were upheld at all times, otherwise you were fined.

I know full well things won't change, but the club needs to instill an environment of pride,passion and honour playing for the club. I am sure that owners will prevaricate for another season, before anything actually happens to our once great club.

:( :(

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Post by Supagoon »

I'll keep this short.

1. Sell Arshavin
2. Sell Almunia, Chamakh, Djourou, Bendtner
3. But two strikers and a winger
4. Buy an experienced DM.
5. Bring in some experienced medical staff, poach the best I can.
6. Review training procedures and treatment.
7. Bring in defensive coaches, like Keown.
8. Increase priority of defensive coaching. Training defence every session.
9. Rotate between 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 games.
10. Study opposition with players before games.
11. Long term review wage structure. No sweetners for youth players.
12. Long Term destroy the myth Arsenal are a soft touch, people will respect us like they do any other team.
If teams want to get physical, we'll get physical.


Overall I still want the team to play possession football, but this is not an excuse for defensive ineptitude.

oh and baba good thread! :oops:

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Post by Yankee_Gooner_Dandee »

Good post Baba. I agree with everything except I like Santos more than you do. Midfield would consist of Wilshire, Arteta, Vermaelen, Coquelin, Rosicky. Ramsey when he learns to play, and I would buy a wide midfield player. Up front RVP, Ox, Walcott and i would buy another option, a pure striker. Arshavin would get transfer listed. I would also give Ryo a good chance to prove himself.

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SpanishJoe wrote:As much as I detest 'Arry, in a recent interview he said that the role of the manager is often overstated and that the key is getting in good players. Things could be done to improve our current perfomance but the bottom line is that we have too few good players.

Saggy chops also said that, when scouting a player, he learns as much talking to supporters as he does from watching the game and 'the wisdom of crowds' theory does work. As such, forget 'one more chance for Arshavin'. He's had endless chances and is always shit. Get rid and show the squad, the supporters and the country that AFC will never allow a lack of effort in games.

4-5-1 and 4-3-3 should be interchangeable depending on whether we're attacking or defending, but the wide players need to work hard and carry a goal-threat, which ours don't very often.

I'd keep Theo and Song as subs.
TV is a CB and should play there.
Jack isn't pacy.
Santos will be OK.
Theo can't play as a striker.

I'd like to see Arteta given the deeper, more creative holding role, without Song running random patterns around the field and I agree with playing an 'in the hole' player but it would be asking a lot of the Ox to be the pivot of the team.

Like recent seasons, given the poor state of most of the teams around us and our usual injury crisis (is it possible to have a permanent crisis?) plus the crap performance, it's amazing that we're still where we are. Some small improvements may see us still in the CL, but we've fucked up each season we've had a chance and probably will this year.
But SpanishJoe what do those proletarian crowds know? None of them have 'worked half a day in football'! :shock:

So you are telling me that there is a manager out there who actually says the role of the manager is a simple-ish one, and that listening to your fans is actually a good idea? :shock:
And you are saying this very manager is above Wenger in the league by 10 points and has beaten him home and away this season and last?!
:oops:

Small thing for you: apparently, the Spud players only actually see Harry Redknapp for training twice a week at most. The rest of the time, they are pslit between drills with the technical coaches, the attackers are with Les Ferdinand, the defence with Sherwood et al and Joe Jordan does the rest.

Unlike Mr Control freak Autocrat Wenger who has to be present every session and taking charge of everything! :roll:

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Post by begeegs »

Now -

1. Practice defending higher on the pitch. At the moment, we don't do it. When we did do it, we usually won.

2. Practice defending as a team.

3. Practice more set piece training.

4. Try to flog as much dross as possible - the ones that we can't count on - Fabianski, Squillachi, Diaby, Denilson.

5. I'd keep Almunia till the end of the season (I think that he is out of contact then)

6. Probably a bit more of the respect thing that has already been discussed - suits, etc.


Summer

1. Get rid of dross and cancel contracts of perma-crocks. Take the loss if we can't sell them as getting them off the books is better for the long term. (Walcott, Diaby, Arshavin, Denilson, Bendtner, Park). I would keep Gibbs, but bring in another who can alternate between right and left back - if this is possible.

2. Try like hell to bring in some good experienced players. They don't have to be world beaters or high profile players. No African Cup of Nation players either.

On my list - of in's - 1. Good creative attacking midfielder
2. Two good wingers who can run at defenses.
3. Striker
4. Experienced fullback that can play right or left. Probably won't play much - but good squad player. or a young one who can learn the trade playing on either flank.
5. Retain Rosicky for squad purposes for one year.
6. Arteta is the new holding mid. Song is backup.
7. Good experienced backup keeper in the twilight of their playing years, but able to pass on knowledge - like Spuds got with Friedel. That was a great signing that I wish we would have got.

To be honest, it would be really hard to get this much turnover, but some of the above, I'd be happy with.

A lot of the existing squad are decent players, but they aren't being coached well in the system that they play. Their line is too high especially without any fullbacks. With the proper coaching, things could be turned around, but I think that Europa would be the best we could hope for.

With Wenger - I expect us to scrape to 7th.

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Post by Babatunde »

Supagoon wrote:I'll keep this short.

1. Sell Arshavin
2. Sell Almunia, Chamakh, Djourou, Bendtner
3. But two strikers and a winger
4. Buy an experienced DM.
5. Bring in some experienced medical staff, poach the best I can.
6. Review training procedures and treatment.
7. Bring in defensive coaches, like Keown.
8. Increase priority of defensive coaching. Training defence every session.
9. Rotate between 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 games.
10. Study opposition with players before games.
11. Long term review wage structure. No sweetners for youth players.
12. Long Term destroy the myth Arsenal are a soft touch, people will respect us like they do any other team.
If teams want to get physical, we'll get physical.


Overall I still want the team to play possession football, but this is not an excuse for defensive ineptitude.

oh and baba good thread! :oops:
:barscarf: :barscarf: :shock: :wink:

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Post by Babatunde »

I think as DB10 mentioned, one of the key things about 70% of the suggestions on here, is that NONE OF THEM COSTS MONEY! And for those that do (e.g. new medical team, revise wage structure) they would actually prove cost-effective and save the club money in the long-term!!! :roll:

One point that has been laboured by many is that these current players need a link with the past. That point cannot be repeated too often. It still hurts me every time I see Vieira in that Citeh suit. He should be with us, working for the Arsenal. Alex Song would be scared for his life I tell you, no half arsed performances and Vieira knows how to spot a player, how to win things. Adams, Keown, Dixon etc...these guys should be working for us, not chatting bollocks on ESPN and MOTD.

:oops:

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Babatunde wrote:I think as DB10 mentioned, one of the key things about 70% of the suggestions on here, is that NONE OF THEM COSTS MONEY! And for those that do (e.g. new medical team, revise wage structure) they would actually prove cost-effective and save the club money in the long-term!!! :roll:

One point that has been laboured by many is that these current players need a link with the past. That point cannot be repeated too often. It still hurts me every time I see Vieira in that Citeh suit. He should be with us, working for the Arsenal. Alex Song would be scared for his life I tell you, no half arsed performances and Vieira knows how to spot a player, how to win things. Adams, Keown, Dixon etc...these guys should be working for us, not chatting bollocks on ESPN and MOTD.

:oops:
I agree. However that would cost money. And dont forget we have to pay for Diaby and Chamak's wages :oops:

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Post by euphoricone »

its not about arshavin being lazy anymore, its just the lack of quality. he is incapable of doing the job for us anymore, he has been trying recently but its not working out . Eduardoish.

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Post by SpanishJoe »

Baba makes an interesting point about the scum players only seeing Harry at training a couple of times a week (it takes quite a bit of time back and forth to Monaco).
Many of the top managers have not been great coaches (Clough is the obvious example, O'Neill another) but they've been great managers.

I remember hearing that when the new training facilities were being constructed AW got involved in every decision, including the choice of crockery. At the time I thought this showed amazing attention to detail, but in hindsight he should maybe have learned to delegate a bit.

While I agree that having ex-players like Keown, DB10 etc back at the club would be a positive move it isn't a given that they would all be good coaches.

Many great players haven't understood what it takes to make a top player and even if they have it is another skill entirely to be able to communicate this to a developing player. Thick ex-players teaching thick young players isn't a recipe for success.

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Post by I Hate Hleb »

Babatunde wrote:
And you are saying this very manager is above Wenger in the league by 10 points and has beaten him home and away this season and last?! :oops:
I know you're fatalistic Baba but that's not happened - yet!! :oops: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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