WENGER TO STAY OR GO

[North-Bank-1987]

If we finish above the scum then I say give him another year, but sadly I think this runs deeper, I think there is a distinct lack of ambition from the board room, it almost seems that the suits are happy for us to keep qualifying for the CL and win bugger all every year, and if we continue to take this shamefull attitude then we won't be moaning 6 years without a trophy, 7 years without a trophy etc. it will be 20 years without a trophy and being a club that is happy to plod along in the background. I really don't want us to continue to be a feeder club to barca and the rest of europes elite. Therefore we MUST in the summer spend good money on great players, and show the rest of europe that we are not a feeder club; we are a club with some top quality that we want to build on. Spend 50 -100M take a chance or get left behind, and theres no we don't have that money, we annouced profits of 55M a few weeks ago, and even if we do need more........ let Usmanov in ffs.

[Cockerill's chin]

My posts have been critical of Wenger and the board since I joined the forum.

I am still critical of Wenger. It just seems that there is a hint of change in his philosophy. The signing of Podolski early (and before a tournament), the loss of patience with AA rather than stubbornly flogging a dead horse etc.

I think it is wrong if views have to be entrenched in polarised camps. They are fluid which is why many have been able to change from the magic hat to WOBs. A glorious, although unlikely, 2012/3 may well demonstrate how fluid peoples views are. I am still critical of the man and let me explain through the medium of math

96-97 - Wenger = 1x
98-2004 - Wenger = 6x
2007-2009 - Wenger = 1x
2009-2012 - Wenger = -3x
today - Wenger = -2.9x

My views of the future for Arsenal under Wenger are still negative, just less so for all the reasons mentioned.

[donaldo]

He should go

The last 3 results shouldnt hid the fact that its been a shit season.Out of all competions the first week in march.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

The problem with Wenger is that he refuses to see that his tactics don't work half of the time. Yes, during the days of 2004 he was one of the best managers around, no doubting that at all but other teams not only caught up but surpassed us in some aspects.

A few years ago, we would of literally wiped the floor with Swansea, Fulham, Wolves etc but now, they know our game and have all adapted theirs and in some cases - Swansea for example - have bettered it. Constant failure to acknowledge players like Almunia, Bendtner, Diaby, Denilson, Eboue etc are not good enough for Arsenal is what has pissed the fans off more than the failure to adapt the way we play.

If Wenger really wanted to spend £20m or more on a player he could, the board are so up his arse that he COULD extract their money but he refuses to because he believes his policy will work and that is his problem.

If he DOES stay, and brings in Podolski, a well known LB and a well know Mid or two would the opinion of him change?

[augie]

Cannot believe the fickle nature of so many of our fans Has it totally escaped your attentions that when we needed that 4th goal last tuesday night all we had on the bench to turn to was chamakh and park ?? This was an area that wenger failed to address just 5 weeks ago but now by some miracle he has now seen the light ?? FFS get in the real world people and see this possible signing of podolski (hasnt been confirmed by anyone yet) as nothing more than the one early signing that it might be cos, if memory serves me correctly , when we signed klingon early last summer that too was taken by many to mean that wenger recognised our weaknesses and was gonna fix them

I am not saying that wenger def has not seen (what many of us have been saying for a long time) that this squad is neither good enough nor deep enough but the time for blind faith has long gone. In the absence of any real evidence to the contrary all we can go on is past experience and to that end wenger has failed and failed miserably

[Cockerill's chin]

Who is being fickle augie?

I remain critical of AW and his management of the club. I am not expecting a blaze of glory next year. There are signs that the philosophy is changing and of course they may be false but does that mean we can't discuss them for what else they could be??

It seems peculiar if people have become so entrenched that it has gone past AKBs vs Realists. It is now how critical do those realists have to be before they aren't considered fools.

[augie]

Who is being fickle augie?

I remain critical of AW and his management of the club. I am not expecting a blaze of glory next year. There are signs that the philosophy is changing and of course they may be false but does that mean we can't discuss them for what they may be??

It seems peculiar if people have become so entrenched that it has gone past AKBs vs Realists. It is now how critical do those realists have to be before they aren't considered fools.

It was a general comment mate and not aimed at anyone in particular but let me respond by asking you a question......what are the signs of wenger changing his philosophy that you refer to ? Has his tactics changed ? Not a bit. Has he made a host of quality signings ? No he hasnt done that either so what exactly has he done any differently ? If, and this is a bif if, but if he has signed podolski then how is it any different that the early signing of gervinho last summer ? Did the signing of the forehead set the ball rolling for what was a summer of real quality investment ? Of course it didnt cos we went on to lose our 2 creative midfielders and only tried to replace them at the last minute.
Anyway as I have already said, it is my opinion that wenger has done nothing to suggest that he is a changed man and is very premature to say the least

[Cockerill's chin]

The signing of Podolski is different from the forehead in my view augie. We seldom allow our business to be discussed before the summer and I think this a statement of intent to convince the likes of RVP that the philosophy will change. I am proud of the way RVP conducts himself as captain. Haven't felt that way about a leader of our club since PV and I think him signing on the dotted line is critical to any hope I have for next year.

The ox excites me and I think him and Theo as options down the right is a potent choice. Podolski/klingon down the left could be just as exciting if the former hits the ground running and the latter sees similar development to Kos. AW has hinted that he is ready to allow those he has indulged for too long to move on. B52, Denilson, Al, Squilacci have the green light to find clubs. This needs to extend further.

I am pleased how Kos has developed this year and against Liverpool we conceded 13 corners and I can only remember one decent chance for Skrtel. Against Milan the back four played the high line with efficiency. Cautious signs of promise. I don't think we were capable of that discipline earlier this year.

Our bench against Milan was woeful and that is nobody but AWs fault. There were noises in Jan that Chamakh would be allowed to leave in the coming summer. These monies need to be reinvested in the team. Recent history suggests they will not but moving for Podolski this early and allowing so much of the expensive dross to seek new pastures hints that 2-3 established players may take their place. There are one or two positive signs. Of course, if RVP doesn't sign we are in the sh1t.

[augie]

Seriously CC we couldnt get rid of the likes of B52,below average al, denilson,vela,chamakh and shitatchi if we gave the f**kers away in a raffle

[Cockerill's chin]

Okay augie, I think at least three of those players wont be on Arsenal's books next year. I don't mean loans. If they are then I buy the drinks for whatever home game you choose. From morning until you fall down.

[augie]

Okay augie, I think at least three of those players wont be on Arsenal's books next year. I don't mean loans. If they are then I buy the drinks for whatever home game you choose. From morning until you fall down.

Could cost you a bloody fortune then mate........I'm a mineral or water drinker and those buggers are as expensive as alcohol

[augie]

Also meant to ask that how is it that every manager in their press conferences yesterday said that they had been asked by the pl not to talk about any potential future engerland manager.....every manager except ours who of course played dumb and denied receiving such a letter Why is it that the man cannot even tell the truth on something so bloody trivial as this ? He insults everybodys intelligence when he expects us to believe his crap and it is poor behaviour for someone representing our club

[armchair]

Also meant to ask that how is it that every manager in their press conferences yesterday said that they had been asked by the pl not to talk about any potential future engerland manager.....every manager except ours who of course played dumb and denied receiving such a letter Why is it that the man cannot even tell the truth on something so bloody trivial as this ? He insults everybodys intelligence when he expects us to believe his crap and it is poor behaviour for someone representing our club

No augie. What that proves is that our manager is much cleverer than everyone else.







Or that he is a complete

[Cockerill's chin]

I agree. What I detest about the man is that we hear whispers of Benzema in June and then he stresses only super quality will come. Then Park arrives. His word only counts on contracts.

and..

Can you tell the difference between mineral water and tap?

[Henry Norris 1913]

of course he should stay forever, I don't want to imagine an Arsenal without him, he practically built this club himself , before him we were nothing .
Arsenal = Arsene