When will enough be enough?

[flash gunner]

Enough is enough NOW!!!!

[richie]

I have had enough now.I do not even care if it is Wengers fault or the boards.Wenger happily keeps the fans in the dark(possibly to keep the board onside and his massive wages safeguarded) as to money available , possible signings etc (yes i know there is a need to keep some things under wraps but redknapp and even fergie often say they need to strengthen or that thay are interested in a certain player) Wenger just colludes with the board to keep us in the dark on everything from the extent of injuries to money available etc .It has gone on too long.

[donaldo]

Wenger has over stayed his welcome by 4 years.No one can tell me we have improved in the last 4 seasons since 2008

[rigsby]

I would say if RVP goes and the money is not properly invested in the team. If he goes well then so be it, but if the 25 odd isn't used to sign even 2 quality players then its getting beyond a joke.

The issue I always have is their is absolutley nobody out there to replace Wenger atm. Ancelotti perhaps, and Guardiola looks nailed on IMO when he comes out of his sabatical. But nothing that leaps out at me at the moment. I think this contract will be his last.

[Herd]

Regardless though you can blame who ever u like for why we have the weakest squad since the mid 70's but if you think that by getting rid of Wenger we will suddenly go out and spend big then u are dreaming !

the weakest squad since the mid 70's!!!!!!!

I take it thats the 75/76 season where we finished 17th in the league or maybe the 74/75 season when we finished 16th?

I was being sarcastic ,I thought that was obvious ,no its just the weakest squad we have had under Wenger !

Mid 70's was something else as was 83 onwards until Graham ,and then the last year under Graham ,but this team Has less fight in them than any Graham team !

[OneBardGooner]

The thing is the level of 'discontent' at the end of the last five seasons has been gradually increasing, to the point where some fans (I say 'Fans' NOT Customers - coz that's what we are now viewed as - as are most Top Prem teams supporters), have just given up, knowing that unless every man, woman and child Gooner refuse to go to the games, then this present Status Quo will remain in place, when you have *word censored* like P.Hill Wood selling all his shares - KERRRRCHHIIIINNNGGG! "Thnak - Youuuu Very Much" yet is still on the board- influencing policy and direction, and then you have Gadzidis - a pawn of Kroenke's - there's no room for manouvre.....

There have been 'decision events' on AND off the pitch that have played their part in our remaining trophyless - I mean besides no consistent quality signings year on year to keep the squad fresh, strong, combative and competitive.

We had a really good team that were within a gnats breath of winning the prem in 2007/08 - even almunia was playing well..we had Cesc, Hleb, Rosicky and flamini combining brilliantlyand playing as an instinctive mid-field, greedywhore was scoring for fun....then Eduardo gets damaged - for life by the look of it ..we go off the rails

Greedywhore get's greedy and starts whoring himself around the world...flamini became flamoney and hleb sold out to ice cream flavour *word censored* - again it was the board who fecked up on flamoney's contract - just as they did with cashleyhole....

we sign Arshavin and after his initial brilliance died a death


then after no proper investment in a consistent way - things really start going to shyte...

Had the club bought 2 quality players each season - not shyte leke klingonhead etc...the squad would have become stronger year on year, and maybe just maybe have won a trophy....something to show the fans - something to be able to celebrate....and so it has got to the point where seasoned Gooners have all but given up on expecting any serious Change/Investment/Improvement...and are waiting for the board members to die, wenger to feck off etc.....


I'm not defending AW in any way, but what I still don't understand is Why? if the board said there's no money - why did he not come out and tell us the TRUTH!...at least then we would have known......The global finaincial crunch came at a time when having just moved into a bigger home money had to be spent carefully.....but had they 'chosen wisely' - even 1 or 2 players each season - especially with the money we were getting for greedywhore etc....thngs needn't have become so Desperate....

it's a fucking crime.

[GranadaJoe]

Baba,
When you're not chucking nasty insults around you talk a lot of sense. I agree with nearly everything you say on this thread. AW continuing to do what he has done in the past is unacceptable. If he were to change and buy two more top players I would allow him some breathing space, but he has shown no sign of changing anything he does. He is so predictable in his actions and his pronouncements (I suspect we can all quote in advance the platitudes he comes out with after losses, lack of new players etc) that he had become a bit of a joke to many fans and pundits and I suspect some players and staff as well.
As you state, many senior players, with no axe to grind, have wanted some quality reinforcements, but to no avail. AW stuck to his guns and at the time I was willing to trust him. But his experiment has clearly not worked. The Board need to grow some balls and make it clear to him that change is needed.

[OneBardGooner]

I must admit when I first saw the thread title I thought it was about redwumberwank or blah blah

[begeegs]

It was enough at the end of season last year. The lack of the whole team defending - players bombing up the pitch with no one covering (Vermaelen). The sameness in our attacking play. We used to be good at keeping the ball - no longer.

We are miles away from challenging for honours - Even if Wenger buys class this summer, will he be able to coach them properly? I seriously doubt it.

With the same players, with a proper manager, we would be miles better.

A manager cannot completely neglect 50% of the game and expect to be successful.

[rodders999]

I remember questions like this being asked about five years ago. He should have gone in the summer of 2008, how the fcuk could it be so easy to go backwards from then?

^^^^
This.

And with us now heading into the summer of 2012, I am well passed giving him any more chances.

WENGER OUT.

[augie]

Again it depends on what you mean by when will enough be enough - as many of the longer standing members on here will be aware, I have been critical of wenger since I joined this forum (2007) so I do not believe that this downturn was an overnight happening and I have long since given up on the man. As far as I am concerned his project has been a massive massive failure and it is an absolute disgrace that two owners (fizsman and kroenke) have continued to allow this to happen As begeegs has already said, a different and more tactically adept manager would still do better with this group of players than wenger so given his refusal to spend, his refusal to offload the shite players, his lack of tactical nous and his total inability to motivate then you have to ask what it is exactly that he does bring to the table His performance and attitide towards any criticism is so bad that even those that defend him are not as vocal in doing so and nobody seems to believe anymore that he has no funds at his disposal.

There are only two ways that things can change - one is usmanov and the second is the fans. Wenger and the board seem more than happy to continue down the road of minimum investment and zero success so only usmanov can demand change and only the fans can force a change of manager cos I absolutely 100% believe that wenger would walk the first time he is on the end of a public show of dissent towards him and his performance. Yes it is sad that it would come to that but he aint leaving any other way and the club is always always the number one priority over any individual.

I suppose the bottom line is that as far as I am concerned I have long since had enough of wenger, all the c**ts on the board and a shit load of useless c**ts on the playing staff Whether I renew my season tickets is yet to be decided tbh but as much as I love the club all I can see ahead is more torment and heartbreak

[SteveO 35]

There aren't really enough options to vote for. If one of the MODs could please add the option...

"When Abou leaves"

.....then I can place my vote

[OneBardGooner]

There aren't really enough options to vote for. If one of the MODs could please add the option...

"When Abou leaves the treatment table"

There. Fixed that for ya!

[chyren1]

Babatunde
Regarding anelka,

I always heard about his brothers coming in David Dein office with baseball bats to force his move to Madrid..

And my source is pretty good on that one,
Former world cup winner French international..

[rigsby]

Anelka has said he made a mistake leaving Arsenal.

I don't blame him being tempted by Real, but he was badly advised on that one. Not sure you can blame the club for that