wages and the random number generator

[arseofacrow]

We have a large wage bill, which contains very few players on very high wages (due to our much publicised wage structure), so therefore it is fair to assume that we must have many young/squad players on relatively (to competitors) high wages. We have alot of shit within that squad, and therefore we must be paying shit players high wages.

You're welcome.

[hugh jardon]

Good thread topic. Think Baba used a French football website for guestimated wages. The media thrash about amounts players are supposedly earning and it seems too many just lap it up as gospel without thinking to challenge the validity of the source.

The only people who know are the players and the club.

[g88ner]

We have a large wage bill, which contains very few players on very high wages (due to our much publicised wage structure), so therefore it is fair to assume that we must have many young/squad players on relatively (to competitors) high wages. We have alot of shit within that squad, and therefore we must be paying shit players high wages.

You're welcome.

Thanks

By the way, I don't doubt that for a second... I think we all get the gist of our ridiculous wage structure, but I don't see how people can be so sure that Denilson earns x amount, and Almunia earns y amount, etc. and more to the point, how Baba has Wenger's wages fluctuating between £6-7.5m?! (presumably, Baba is recalculating based on weekly performance targets? )

[mcdowell42]

We have a large wage bill, which contains very few players on very high wages (due to our much publicised wage structure), so therefore it is fair to assume that we must have many young/squad players on relatively (to competitors) high wages. We have alot of shit within that squad, and therefore we must be paying shit players high wages.

You're welcome.

Thanks

By the way, I don't doubt that for a second... I think we all get the gist of our ridiculous wage structure, but I don't see how people can be so sure that Denilson earns x amount, and Almunia earns y amount, etc. and more to the point, how Baba has Wenger's wages fluctuating between £6-7.5m?! (presumably, Baba is recalculating based on weekly performance targets? )

Im sure it wont be long b4 all your questions will be answered

[flash gunner]

We have a large wage bill, which contains very few players on very high wages (due to our much publicised wage structure), so therefore it is fair to assume that we must have many young/squad players on relatively (to competitors) high wages. We have alot of shit within that squad, and therefore we must be paying shit players high wages.

You're welcome.

Thanks

By the way, I don't doubt that for a second... I think we all get the gist of our ridiculous wage structure, but I don't see how people can be so sure that Denilson earns x amount, and Almunia earns y amount, etc. and more to the point, how Baba has Wenger's wages fluctuating between £6-7.5m?! (presumably, Baba is recalculating based on weekly performance targets? )

Its gone up to 8 now see the rumour thread

[g88ner]

Good thread topic.

Can you please let frankbutcher know. He'll be really pleased to hear that

I've handed the baton over to you guys to start all these great incisive and witty threads that you're looking for. COME ON SON I'M WAITING. Entertain the rest of the forum with some classic threads. I'm serious. Don't come back at me and claim this that and the other about whether I am addicted to the forum or not. Start some really good threads.

Over to you....

(only joking frank )

[mcdowell42]

We have a large wage bill, which contains very few players on very high wages (due to our much publicised wage structure), so therefore it is fair to assume that we must have many young/squad players on relatively (to competitors) high wages. We have alot of shit within that squad, and therefore we must be paying shit players high wages.

You're welcome.

Thanks

By the way, I don't doubt that for a second... I think we all get the gist of our ridiculous wage structure, but I don't see how people can be so sure that Denilson earns x amount, and Almunia earns y amount, etc. and more to the point, how Baba has Wenger's wages fluctuating between £6-7.5m?! (presumably, Baba is recalculating based on weekly performance targets? )

Its gone up to 8 now see the rumour thread

See how good the rumour thread is people have started to use posts on it as a point of reference

[flash gunner]

We have a large wage bill, which contains very few players on very high wages (due to our much publicised wage structure), so therefore it is fair to assume that we must have many young/squad players on relatively (to competitors) high wages. We have alot of shit within that squad, and therefore we must be paying shit players high wages.

You're welcome.

Thanks

By the way, I don't doubt that for a second... I think we all get the gist of our ridiculous wage structure, but I don't see how people can be so sure that Denilson earns x amount, and Almunia earns y amount, etc. and more to the point, how Baba has Wenger's wages fluctuating between £6-7.5m?! (presumably, Baba is recalculating based on weekly performance targets? )

Its gone up to 8 now see the rumour thread

See how good the rumour thread is people have started to use posts on it as a point of reference

I prefered it when you talked about butter

[mcdowell42]

We have a large wage bill, which contains very few players on very high wages (due to our much publicised wage structure), so therefore it is fair to assume that we must have many young/squad players on relatively (to competitors) high wages. We have alot of shit within that squad, and therefore we must be paying shit players high wages.

You're welcome.

Thanks

By the way, I don't doubt that for a second... I think we all get the gist of our ridiculous wage structure, but I don't see how people can be so sure that Denilson earns x amount, and Almunia earns y amount, etc. and more to the point, how Baba has Wenger's wages fluctuating between £6-7.5m?! (presumably, Baba is recalculating based on weekly performance targets? )

Its gone up to 8 now see the rumour thread

See how good the rumour thread is people have started to use posts on it as a point of reference

I prefered it when you talked about butter

YEAH and im still spreading stuff

[Vinny1967]

Great thread and it's been something I have been thinking more about since I joined.

I found this.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... rofit-debt

If this is correct if we look at it as a total and analyse it in that way we are performing better than nearly everyone in the League when it comes to salaries.
ManUre's salary total as a percentage of turnover is better placed than Arsenal but they are the only team.
Out total salary bill is 5th behind Citeh, Chelski, Manure and Liverpool.

So I suppose it can be argued that we are punching above our weight with our League position and regular 3/4th place trophy when compared with others.

There is also a lot of complaining about mediocre players on high salaries and a lot of complaining about players being let run down their contracts (RVP and Walcott) but when taken together it really boils down to opinions. I don't think player development is an exact science and I thought the high salaries paid to the likes of Denilson, Diaby. Walcott especially were justified at the time. Players have their own opinions too and they are not just going to extend their contracts just because the club wants them to. As well as that if we didn't offer some of these guys the money they would have been gone (probably).

The area of player development and players worth is not an exact science and all clubs get it wrong no matter how many high quality people we have developing them or putting their opinions forward to Wenger. Unless FFP comes in and works properly we will not be able to compete for the worlds top stars.

To that end we have to work smarter and not have the debacle we had last year of the signings on the last day of the transfer window when the season is already 3 weeks old

[StuartL]

Our wages figure are of all club employee's not just the playing staff, which also disguises it somewhat as pen pushers, box office, scouts, junior coaches etc, etc would all be included. (possibly including the ladies set up ?)

The F.A do have, or did anyway, copies of players contracts all lodged away, so we only need an insider to access the Top secret Arsenal drawer and all the players wages would be able to be viwed.

[g88ner]

So I suppose it can be argued that we are punching above our weight with our League position and regular 3/4th place trophy when compared with others.

Agreed. I don't think anyone doubts we should be spending our money more efficiently, but if it's true that we have the 5th highest wage bill in England, then finishing 3rd could be considered above par.

Better coaching would help though!

To that end we have to work smarter and not have the debacle we had last year of the signings on the last day of the transfer window when the season is already 3 weeks old

Absolutely; we need to be much smarter. Last summer was a farce!

[flash gunner]

Why do wages have to correlate to league positions? There is more to being a football team than how much people earn, i understand that supposedly the more you pay the better players you get but there is more to football than that ie tactics, producing a team with compatible playing members etc etc etc.... Because we are the 5th highest payers doesnt mean that anywhere above 5th is good

[g88ner]

Why do wages have to correlate to league positions? There is more to being a football team than how much people earn, i understand that supposedly the more you pay the better players you get but there is more to football than that ie tactics, producing a team with compatible playing members etc etc etc.... Because we are the 5th highest payers doesnt mean that anywhere above 5th is good

Agreed, but when the other four teams offer more in wages and transfer fees, then it's difficult to keep up.

We need to start paying better money for players, but if it's not backed up with better coaching then we're pissing in the wind. Sadly, I can't see Wenger getting this team to defend properly. - in fact, amazingly, our defensive record is getting worse!

And I think that's out main problem. We're not competing in wages/transfer fees and not competing tactically either. I expect more from Wenger's £9m a year ( )

[Vinny1967]

Why do wages have to correlate to league positions? There is more to being a football team than how much people earn, i understand that supposedly the more you pay the better players you get but there is more to football than that ie tactics, producing a team with compatible playing members etc etc etc.... Because we are the 5th highest payers doesnt mean that anywhere above 5th is good

I agree and disagree at the same time. Not unusual for me
If anyone thinks that anyone outside the top five teams on the list I posted are going to win the League they are delusional. One thing they have in common are they are willing to spend more on salaries than the other teams in the League.
Paying high salaries does not guarantee success but it helps keep important players and attract others.

There are a lot of things correlate to League positions wages being one of them.