Controversial Arsenal views

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augie wrote:I've always believed that anelka was a better player than Henry - I know henry's career is twice that of le sulk but I still feel that if he had of had a better temperament then he would have been twice the player Henry was 8)

I've read some shite on here but that tops it mate, in the same vein I thought with better training you could have been a better finisher than wrighty :shock: :lol:

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Don't really miss Highbury and I absolutely fucking love the new stadium.

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
augie wrote:I've always believed that anelka was a better player than Henry - I know henry's career is twice that of le sulk but I still feel that if he had of had a better temperament then he would have been twice the player Henry was 8)

I've read some shite on here but that tops it mate, in the same vein I thought with better training you could have been a better finisher than wrighty :shock: :lol:


Was never a centre forward me :lol:

Seriously though that opinion of anelka isn't exclusively mine - the great Dennis Bergkamp stated just a few years ago than anelka was the best strike partner he played with so I am quite comfortable sharing genius with him 8) People seem to forget just how good a player anelka was when he was with us and they forget how young he was at the time too :( As I have said already, his career doesn't come close to matching henry's but I will always wonder what could have been if he had of stayed a few more seasons with us :(

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Henry Norris 1913 wrote:you have to take wrighty's comments with a pinch of salt though, his passion overflows a lot of the time
He's also an idiot. Which was why he was such a hero I guess, nobody in their right mind would be hanging out the window of the East Stand like I remember seeing him do. It's difficult to hold a person in the same light once they go into broadcasting because they have to (pretend to) be impartial. I always remember being disappointed with Smith (boring as he is) when he criticised Arsenal's actions at OT in 2003, the only criticism I would offer is that we failed to bully Ronaldo out of the game with thuggery like they did with Reyes a year later.

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QuartzGooner wrote:Thought Graham bought into his own hype 1992+.

Thought Steve Morrow was well worthy of a squad place.

Thought Grimandi was poor as a defender but useful in central midfield.

I want Walcott to sign a new contract.

I would start Coquelin ahead of Song.
Bit young for the first two but I would agree with the last three wholeheartedly. Guess that means it's not controversial enough and shouldn't be on this thread, do your job MOD :twisted:

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i still think Wenger is still one of the best managers out there.


whilst not being an AKB - even though AW is short sighted, stubborn, inflexible, too soft, too optimistic, big corporate fibber etc etc he is still better than ninety percent of the dross out there like - curbishley, robson, bruce, 'arry, benitez, gullit, o'leary, warnock, fat sam, woy, hoddle, pardew, pullis, hughes, jol and the rest of the chancers that have dipped in and out of the premiership over the last 7 years.

in fact, who is he not better than ? - probably only Ferguson, Moyes, Martin O'Neill and Mourinho, perhaps Houllier ?

oh and while we are on the subject of managers welcome back to the top division - Brian McDermott, loyal Gooner, former Arsenal midfielder, and my former slough school mate :wink: nice to see Reading back too :lol:

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clockender1 wrote:in fact, who is he not better than ? - probably only Ferguson, Moyes, Martin O'Neill and Mourinho, perhaps Houllier ?
Ferguson and Mourinho fair enough, both phenomenal managers with far fewer weakness and immense trademark abilities despite being polar opposites.

Moyes - what has he done really? A great job by Everton's standards but look at Villarreal CL qualifier and their insipid display against Liverpool in the FA Cup semis this year, they bottled both. No pressure, nowhere near trophies, no money, sound familiar? In fact I would go as far as to say he's held Everton back by wasting what little money they've had on bringing in substandard strikers not up to the job.

O'Neill - great job at Leicester donkeys years ago, not going to talk about that pub league the SPL. At Villa had some high finishes but ultimately blew it in 2009 by tinkering with the side too much and made some mistakes with the UEFA Cup, failed to stop the rot and they blew CL. They actually spent quite a lot of money under O'Neill and wasted it on dross like Cuellar and Beye, and then as soon as Lerner became reluctant to throw considerable sums of money on chasing the unlikely top 4 dream O'Neill walked away.

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I liked the horrible Vs away kit. Possibly because I got it signed by Seaman and Parlour, but generally I just quite like it despite it being almost universally considered as one of the worst kits ever.

Also liked the all-blue kit in 2004/05 with the yellow trim.

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augie wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
augie wrote:I've always believed that anelka was a better player than Henry - I know henry's career is twice that of le sulk but I still feel that if he had of had a better temperament then he would have been twice the player Henry was 8)

I've read some shite on here but that tops it mate, in the same vein I thought with better training you could have been a better finisher than wrighty :shock: :lol:


Was never a centre forward me :lol:

Seriously though that opinion of anelka isn't exclusively mine - the great Dennis Bergkamp stated just a few years ago than anelka was the best strike partner he played with so I am quite comfortable sharing genius with him 8) People seem to forget just how good a player anelka was when he was with us and they forget how young he was at the time too :( As I have said already, his career doesn't come close to matching henry's but I will always wonder what could have been if he had of stayed a few more seasons with us :(

Didn't DB10 also say Wrighty was the best strike partner he had? Sounds like he fit the comment to the interview maybe.

As for Anelka, I too have always wondered what level he could have achieved if he had the right mentality and less crunts around him. But then if you think about it, the absolute top top players have that something extra in their psychological make-up that makes them top top players, so the fact that Anelka did not have that same mentality that Henry had means for me that he would never have achieved that level, so it's a bit of a moot question I suppose.

RE the squashed wasp away jersey - I loved that jersey and still wear it to footy training! I can't figure exactly why I love it... maybe it's indicative of The Arsenal at that time - hated by most neutral fans, hated by the media, hated by the FA, and every commentator hated that jersey.

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At the risk of getting absolutely lambasted here DB10, but dont the absolute top players turn up and put in top drawer performances in the big games like cup finals etc ? (cough cough henry

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augie wrote:At the risk of getting absolutely lambasted here DB10, but dont the absolute top players turn up and put in top drawer performances in the big games like cup finals etc ? (cough cough henry
Agree 100% augie, and I’ve always (only half jokingly) called TH14 a big final bottler. He never really delivered the same performances in finals as he did at home in Highbury in the PL. And it’s probably why, even given his immense talent, he’ll never been spoken of by the greater footballing media in the same terms as the absolute top players in Europe like the Cruyffs, Beckenbauers, Dalglishs, Messis, Van Bastens and Platinis of this world. Sure TH14 was a fantastic player but also looking at where he scored his goals I seem to remember he also didn’t like it too much up north on a cold winter’s day... :wink:

So I'd put TH14 on the second tier, with the likes of Fabregas, Cantona, Pires, Overmars, Vieira etc. Top top players but not quite the very top.

Anelka would be 3rd tier for me. Had great talent but didn't achieve near as much as he should have.

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I still think that Diaby will return and prove his critics wrong ,I miss Eboue,and George Graham is still my hero !

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Herd wrote:George Graham is still my hero !
No matter how it ended for him I will always love GG for restoring the pride in Arsenal. 8)

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Stan Kroenke is the man to take this club forward, Arsene Wenger is still the best manager in the League, and Ivan Gazidis is the best signing we've made in many a year.














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Id be happy If van persie did in fact do a u turn and stay,

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