When or what will it take to end the current rot?

[franksav63]

I think some of the recent comments on here have been over exaggerated to say the least. I was VERY disappointed we didn't sign cover for the sale of Alex Song but by no means are we the shower of shit some people on here are claiming. It often feels like some on here are extremely jealous of Man CIty & Chelsea because of the signings they make and somehow still try and compare our business to them. These clubs are the equivalent of drug taking athletes - who wants that?

Spurs made some signings but basically lost two of their best players - can't see they have improved too much on that front. Just because they signed some Premier League "name" players doesn't mean they are any better off than at the start of the season. I'm not even going to get into what Liverpool have done (and people on here think Arsenal are in trouble )

Football will be around for years to come and Arsenal will be back up there again. Arsenal have the future in mind whilst others spend and act like the game will end in 3 years. Let's see shall we....

How predictable....

I didn't mention Wenger enough did I? I'll make sure my next post calls him names at least. Sorry mate.

It would be a start I suppose....

[arseofacrow]

I think some of the recent comments on here have been over exaggerated to say the least. I was VERY disappointed we didn't sign cover for the sale of Alex Song but by no means are we the shower of shit some people on here are claiming. It often feels like some on here are extremely jealous of Man CIty & Chelsea because of the signings they make and somehow still try and compare our business to them. These clubs are the equivalent of drug taking athletes - who wants that?

Spurs made some signings but basically lost two of their best players - can't see they have improved too much on that front. Just because they signed some Premier League "name" players doesn't mean they are any better off than at the start of the season. I'm not even going to get into what Liverpool have done (and people on here think Arsenal are in trouble )

Football will be around for years to come and Arsenal will be back up there again. Arsenal have the future in mind whilst others spend and act like the game will end in 3 years. Let's see shall we....

Yep, let's see. But while we see, let's continue to see the club taking the highest season ticket prices with zero/negative investment in the team, while each year getting rid of experienced and/or quality players, all the while relying on Wenger to get in the Champions League. That is, after all, the limit of the ambition for now, and the forseeable future.

No-one wants to see Arsenal go wild, what they would like is some proper investment, from diverse sources, to aid the playing side of the company in doing their best to compete. Because, if after all you believe that you have one of the greatest managers in the world, wouldn't you want to try and use him to win trophies, and not only give him the task of finishing 4th?

You can't keep on asking the fans to fork out one of the highest season ticket prices in Europe, while every year the transfer budget (wages/fees) remains in the positive.

The belief among many is that kroenke is more concerned with his own benefit, than the club competing to win things (evidence from his running of other sports clubs). The idea that we are some guardian angel for the beautiful game, with fair play in mind, is ridiculous. It is just a label to defend in the face of the Chelseas of this world because as Hill-Wood proved, they'll always turn if the right circumstances come along. Just look at the "guardians" of our club who sold to Kroenke at a huge price.

[Eboue-Why?]

I think some of the recent comments on here have been over exaggerated to say the least. I was VERY disappointed we didn't sign cover for the sale of Alex Song but by no means are we the shower of shit some people on here are claiming. It often feels like some on here are extremely jealous of Man CIty & Chelsea because of the signings they make and somehow still try and compare our business to them. These clubs are the equivalent of drug taking athletes - who wants that?

Spurs made some signings but basically lost two of their best players - can't see they have improved too much on that front. Just because they signed some Premier League "name" players doesn't mean they are any better off than at the start of the season. I'm not even going to get into what Liverpool have done (and people on here think Arsenal are in trouble )

Football will be around for years to come and Arsenal will be back up there again. Arsenal have the future in mind whilst others spend and act like the game will end in 3 years. Let's see shall we....

Nobody's saying that we should spend like Portsmouth or Leeds and get into trouble but haven't you heard of speculating to accumulate? Apparently Chelsea received close to £60-70m for winning the CL last season. Man City are champions and yet still feel the need to strengthen.

I'm no maths professor (well I am but choose not to broadcast it too much) but if we sell 2 of our most influtential players (bear with me Augie, I hate Song as much I you do...) plus a couple of others out on loan and bring in 3 of which at the murment (as Lawro would say) only Carzola looks to have the class we need to improve our chances of silverware, how is this anything but crap decision making by the manager?

[supergeorgegraham]

Tonights been as depressing a night as any we've ever had in the transfer window and we will once again have to stomach the fact that there are gaping deficiencies in the squad and to be brutally honest in the general enthusiasm surrounding the club at the moment.

Arsenal, to me, feels as distant tonight as it has ever been and despite the fact I know that I will keep coming back for more punishment, I really wonder when we will see an end to this abuse of the fans trust and at the very least some signs of recovery?

Will the departure of ODL in 2014 have the desired effect? or will Silent Stans shadow cast the club into the wilderness for the next decade?

There are so many questions but how long will it take to get our club back on track?

If you want my honest answer the rot started with the sacking of Dein. Then the board went into lockdown and finally they sold up to Kronke. Now we see he is using the club as a selling club.
We have only one solution and that is Usmanov to take control and see if he is true to his word and will invest cash into the transfer market. As a well supported club success will bring its own financial reward but under Kronke we will start to lose some of our fan base which will be his biggest crime of all.

[franksav63]

I think some of the recent comments on here have been over exaggerated to say the least. I was VERY disappointed we didn't sign cover for the sale of Alex Song but by no means are we the shower of shit some people on here are claiming. It often feels like some on here are extremely jealous of Man CIty & Chelsea because of the signings they make and somehow still try and compare our business to them. These clubs are the equivalent of drug taking athletes - who wants that?

Spurs made some signings but basically lost two of their best players - can't see they have improved too much on that front. Just because they signed some Premier League "name" players doesn't mean they are any better off than at the start of the season. I'm not even going to get into what Liverpool have done (and people on here think Arsenal are in trouble )

Football will be around for years to come and Arsenal will be back up there again. Arsenal have the future in mind whilst others spend and act like the game will end in 3 years. Let's see shall we....

Nobody's saying that we should spend like Portsmouth or Leeds and get into trouble but haven't you heard of speculating to accumulate? Apparently Chelsea received close to £60-70m for winning the CL last season. Man City are champions and yet still feel the need to strengthen.

I'm no maths professor (well I am but choose not to broadcast it too much) but if we sell 2 of our most influtential players (bear with me Augie, I hate Song as much I you do...) plus a couple of others out on loan and bring in 3 of which at the murment (as Lawro would say) only Carzola looks to have the class we need to improve our chances of silverware, how is this anything but crap decision making by the manager?

Exactly Eboue... it's a typical AKB line that they roll out, especially after another shit transfer window, that we're overspend and end up like Leeds, Portsmouth... etc, etc, delete where appropriate, they can actually see this shit happening but refuse to admit it.

[kiwomya]

Yep, let's see. But while we see, let's continue to see the club taking the highest season ticket prices with zero/negative investment in the team, while each year getting rid of experienced and/or quality players, all the while relying on Wenger to get in the Champions League. That is, after all, the limit of the ambition for now, and the forseeable future.

No-one wants to see Arsenal go wild, what they would like is some proper investment, from diverse sources, to aid the playing side of the company in doing their best to compete. Because, if after all you believe that you have one of the greatest managers in the world, wouldn't you want to try and use him to win trophies, and not only give him the task of finishing 4th?

You can't keep on asking the fans to fork out one of the highest season ticket prices in Europe, while every year the transfer budget (wages/fees) remains in the positive.

The belief among many is that kroenke is more concerned with his own benefit, than the club competing to win things (evidence from his running of other sports clubs). The idea that we are some guardian angel for the beautiful game, with fair play in mind, is ridiculous. It is just a label to defend in the face of the Chelseas of this world because as Hill-Wood proved, they'll always turn if the right circumstances come along. Just look at the "guardians" of our club who sold to Kroenke at a huge price.

I completely agree about the tickets. The club need to see a reduction in sales in order for them to realise. Anything I say has been covered on here many many times so I won't get into repeating it all. I just don't want the team to suffer so that less people show up. The implications could be a lot bigger than some think. Drop out of the Champions League and end up happy like Liverpool?

I don't know the exact numbers so won't act like I do but to me it seems that the money for RVP/Song and probably Vela has been spent on GIroud/Podolski/Cazorla.

I really don't think we are some Samaritan for football but why is it looked at as an excuse when people talk about the money Chelsea/City spend? Man City certainly didn't have a great academy and produce the team they have, that's for sure. How else did they achieve it?

[IW8Goalmachine]

Yep, let's see. But while we see, let's continue to see the club taking the highest season ticket prices with zero/negative investment in the team, while each year getting rid of experienced and/or quality players, all the while relying on Wenger to get in the Champions League. That is, after all, the limit of the ambition for now, and the forseeable future.

No-one wants to see Arsenal go wild, what they would like is some proper investment, from diverse sources, to aid the playing side of the company in doing their best to compete. Because, if after all you believe that you have one of the greatest managers in the world, wouldn't you want to try and use him to win trophies, and not only give him the task of finishing 4th?

You can't keep on asking the fans to fork out one of the highest season ticket prices in Europe, while every year the transfer budget (wages/fees) remains in the positive.

The belief among many is that kroenke is more concerned with his own benefit, than the club competing to win things (evidence from his running of other sports clubs). The idea that we are some guardian angel for the beautiful game, with fair play in mind, is ridiculous. It is just a label to defend in the face of the Chelseas of this world because as Hill-Wood proved, they'll always turn if the right circumstances come along. Just look at the "guardians" of our club who sold to Kroenke at a huge price.

I completely agree about the tickets. The club need to see a reduction in sales in order for them to realise. Anything I say has been covered on here many many times so I won't get into repeating it all. I just don't want the team to suffer so that less people show up. The implications could be a lot bigger than some think. Drop out of the Champions League and end up happy like Liverpool?

I don't know the exact numbers so won't act like I do but to me it seems that the money for RVP/Song and probably Vela has been spent on GIroud/Podolski/Cazorla.

I really don't think we are some Samaritan for football but why is it looked at as an excuse when people talk about the money Chelsea/City spend? Man City certainly didn't have a great academy and produce the team they have, that's for sure. How else did they achieve it?

If we ever end up like Liverpool silent stan will sell up and go so it mightn't be a bad thing at all

[arseofacrow]

Yep, let's see. But while we see, let's continue to see the club taking the highest season ticket prices with zero/negative investment in the team, while each year getting rid of experienced and/or quality players, all the while relying on Wenger to get in the Champions League. That is, after all, the limit of the ambition for now, and the forseeable future.

No-one wants to see Arsenal go wild, what they would like is some proper investment, from diverse sources, to aid the playing side of the company in doing their best to compete. Because, if after all you believe that you have one of the greatest managers in the world, wouldn't you want to try and use him to win trophies, and not only give him the task of finishing 4th?

You can't keep on asking the fans to fork out one of the highest season ticket prices in Europe, while every year the transfer budget (wages/fees) remains in the positive.

The belief among many is that kroenke is more concerned with his own benefit, than the club competing to win things (evidence from his running of other sports clubs). The idea that we are some guardian angel for the beautiful game, with fair play in mind, is ridiculous. It is just a label to defend in the face of the Chelseas of this world because as Hill-Wood proved, they'll always turn if the right circumstances come along. Just look at the "guardians" of our club who sold to Kroenke at a huge price.

I completely agree about the tickets. The club need to see a reduction in sales in order for them to realise. Anything I say has been covered on here many many times so I won't get into repeating it all. I just don't want the team to suffer so that less people show up. The implications could be a lot bigger than some think. Drop out of the Champions League and end up happy like Liverpool?

I don't know the exact numbers so won't act like I do but to me it seems that the money for RVP/Song and probably Vela has been spent on GIroud/Podolski/Cazorla.

I really don't think we are some Samaritan for football but why is it looked at as an excuse when people talk about the money Chelsea/City spend? Man City certainly didn't have a great academy and produce the team they have, that's for sure. How else did they achieve it?

Yes, we have generated money to spend...but we haven't invested, which was my point. We have lost two experienced players, and are struggling to get rid of the shit that Wenger's folly has lumbered us with (hence the loans)

And it's not an excuse, it's convenient because as I said, Hill Wood and the boards changed their tune very quickly when it suited them (attitude to Kroenke and selling their stakes).

Chelsea/Man City - Yes, and? Don't disagree - but using them to excuse our own policies is misguided and allows the club to get away with their own current policies.

[Robin_L]

Nothing's changing until we finish 5th or lower.

At the moment the bare minimum is being done to achieve the realistic objective of 4th. At the moment the current model in that respect is a successful one. The alarm bells rang after a Hungarian goalkeeper kept us in the CL, it would seem, but following our 3 initial good signings, nothing else has been done to offset losing two of our 3 best players last season.

[Rosie_titters]

nice to see the club putting there faith in to two players who are coming back from long term injuries - Wenger said no need to sign any midfielders because Wilshire & Diaby are on the way back

Diaby, is just another walcott, done fuck all since he has been here, any for the money he has creamed from the club, about time he fucking repaid it

Wilshire won't be back to October, so we are told. will we ever see the number 10 shirt again. if he does come back, will he be just another Ramsey, showed some promise, but injury has crippled him as a player. Also just like Lucas at Liverpool, will he come back and be injured again within weeks