Aaron Ramsey - statistics and form etc.

[1989]

He'll be our Frank Lampard.

The same people slagging him now will be licking his balls in a few years' time.

[storrmin571]

He'll be our Frank Lampard.

The same people slagging him now will be licking his balls in a few years' time.

[MegaGooner]

He'll be our Frank Lampard.

The same people slagging him now will be licking his balls in a few years' time.

I would rather him be our Cesc Fabregas.....but hey, you can't please everyone

I think next season will be his defining season. He went through a lot with his leg break at a very young age. He probably needed this season just to "try" out.

I think he will improve massively next season, he is just trying too hard at the moment.

C'mon Rambo

[AFCasap]

He'll be our Frank Lampard.

The same people slagging him now will be licking his balls in a few years' time.

I would rather him be our Cesc Fabregas.....but hey, you can't please everyone

I think next season will be his defining season. He went through a lot with his leg break at a very young age. He probably needed this season just to "try" out.

I think he will improve massively next season, he is just trying too hard at the moment.

C'mon Rambo

mate don't compare ramsey to fabregas its not even close farbegas is an oustanding talent ramsey is gormless

[MegaGooner]

ramsey is gormless

No he isn't...

There's a saying........"form is temporary, class is permanent". We can all accept the fact that we won't get another Cesc"and I said it 'tongue in cheek', but Ramsey isn't gormless.

He might be out of form recently, but he still tries his heart out. I couldn't ask more than that. I honestly think he will be back better next season.

PS: Not a jab at Yankee doodle, but please don't insult Rambo by comparing him to Denilson....FFS

[AFCasap]

ramsey is gormless

No he isn't...

There's a saying........"form is temporary, class is permanent". We can all accept the fact that we won't get another Cesc"and I said it 'tongue in cheek', but Ramsey isn't gormless.

He might be out of form recently, but he still tries his heart out. I couldn't ask more than that. I honestly think he will be back better next season.

PS: Not a jab at Yankee doodle, but please don't insult Rambo by comparing him to Denilson....FFS

i hope so mate...honest.... but i l can only judge in front of my eyeballs and i see f all... sorry

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

He'll be our Frank Lampard.

The same people slagging him now will be licking his balls in a few years' time.

^^^^^
This

Ramsey is class. He just happens to be the current whipping boy. Six months ago it was Rosicky, this time last season it was Koscielny, the season before people were slating RvP because he he was 'injury prone' (there were even people on here stating we shouldn't offer him a new contract)

A solid pre season, good start to 12/13 and everyone will be loving him and moaning about someone else...

[Gunnerz4life]

I don't think anything is expecting Ramsey to be Fabregas or mature into a great player as quickly as Fab did. But if you were considered to be one of the brightest prospects in british football, then its fair to have some expectation. Most of the things that Ramsey have done this season have been poor ( and to be fair to the lad it didnt help him being played out of position on the wings). I'm willing to give him time but I don't see how he is going to get too many games when Jack is back next season and given Rosicky's current form. He needs game time at a mid table club where the pressure on him will be considerably less, so I'd definitely loan him out next season at least till Jan.

[Barriecuda]

I'm willing to give him time but I don't see how he is going to get too many games when Jack is back next season and given Rosicky's current form. He needs game time at a mid table club where the pressure on him will be considerably less, so I'd definitely loan him out next season at least till Jan.

This is Rosicky's best patch of football - and his only consistently notable run of form - since he got back from his series of hamstring problems. Rosicky is a fine player and he's worked hard to overcome a lot of obstacles in his career, but AW/Arsenal have given him a LOT of time to do that. It's only fitting he should be playing well considering the investment we've put into him, waiting for his recovery, letting him continue on with the club after not looking very promising over the last couple seasons, etc. However, Rosicky is 32 this year and there is no doubt he's passing, if not past, his physical prime. Another bad injury could have him hanging up the boots.

So Rosicky isn't going to be around forever. Then you have Ramsey, who is 20, and has had one full season as a "main" player in the senior squad.

I think a lot of you are spoiled. You all realize that Wilshere is a prodigy right? It's a one-in-a-million player who is that good at such a young age. He has also had the benefit of being brought up in the Arsenal academies, taught to play "the Arsenal way" (aka the Wenger way) since he was 9. Then you go and compare Ramsey to Cesc Fabregas, another foolhardy expedition. Cesc was not a world-beater right away, it took him time and years of experience to become such a key component. He had the benefit of no spotlight being shone on him as the players around him were of top quality, winning titles and playing in CL finals. Cesc had the benefit of two of the world's best academies, La Masia from age 10 and later Arsenal's. Not to mention, Cesc is another prodigy, once Arsenal's youngest ever first-team player.

Saying "Rosicky is a better option than Ramsey" is short sighted. Saying "Ramsey isn't as good as Cesc or Wilshere was" is also ridiculous, because you're comparing him with two of the best young players to ever play for Arsenal - if not THE best young players.

The contempt towards Aaron around here just astounds me.

PS: Loan him out til January, brilliant management there. When we could have CL, CC, and FA Cup games, plus the league, plus the fact we pick up injuries constantly. Experience could help him sure, but suggesting loaning him out in a busy, busy period is absolute silliness.

[Gunnerz4life]

There is no contempt towards Aaron in my post. I rate the guy but don't see him starting ahead of Jack and Rosicky in the form that is he in now. Rosicky may be 32 and "passing" but if he maintains the fitness and form he is currently showing he would and should start ahead of Aaron every day of the week. I'm sorry i'm not willing to put a form player out of the team to ensure it doesn't kill a youngstar. Loaning Aaron out would do him a world of good and i'm sure plenty of mid table teams would love to have him.

PS : Loaning him out would make a lot more sense than playing him on the wings. Also it is pretty apparent that Song and Arteta will be denifnite starters so its going be a battle between Jack, Rosicky and Aaron for the final position and Aaron will be third choice there.

[SteveO 35]

Like a number of our younger signings he has been over-exposed by the failings of Wenger and the executive team to sign a group of senior players capable of playing around him.

At the start of the season the lad was playing in every game, named captain of his country, and in my opinion was over-promoted for both club and country. At 20 years old in central midfield should a player be exposed to the number of games that he has been? He doesn't have the Messi, Raul or Rooney talents that make him a no-brainer selection since his teenage years so he should be nurtured alongside more experienced players.

What I know will not help the lad, and this is where I have a similar sympathy for how I felt for Abou (and to a lesser degree Bendtner) is that when he's clearly struggling for form, you stick him out on the left side. I just can't see for the life of me how that helps a player when his confidence levels are low to start with. He needs resting completely, and then make him skipper the reserves for a couple of games, play in his natural position and hopefully some form and confidence will return

The expectations on players like Ramsey are over inflated because of the mismanagement of the club. In the same way Diaby is panned for not being the 'new Vieira', and the way Arteta was so harshly treated at the start of the season for not being 'the new Fabregas', players like Ramsey should be playing 10-15 league games maximum at this stage of his career.

Personally I don't think the guy has the natural talent to go on and be a top class Arsenal player but he has not been helped in his development either

[storrmin571]

Totally agree Stevo

[skizz_b]

I like the lad, frustrating to watch now that he's out of form but then again what player isn't? Not sure about this lack of directness that's been referred to, I think he's lost a bit of his directness because he's overthinking things but get this season out the way, give him a full pre-season and he will be an important player for us next year because there will be competition for places

My only worry is, if he plays in the Olympics, no summer off - won't help his fatigue which seems to be the main cause of his poor form.

[DB10GOONER]

He'll be our Frank Lampard.

The same people slagging him now will be licking his balls in a few years' time.

^^^^^
This

Ramsey is class. He just happens to be the current whipping boy. Six months ago it was Rosicky, this time last season it was Koscielny, the season before people were slating RvP because he he was 'injury prone' (there were even people on here stating we shouldn't offer him a new contract)

A solid pre season, good start to 12/13 and everyone will be loving him and moaning about someone else...

This I don't get. Not having a pop, mate but why should we say a player is doing great if he isn't? Six months ago Rosicky WAS shit. Utter shit. He has since delivered the sum total of what? A month or two of good performances? Not knocking him but how long has he been with us? Hardly a great return, huh?

RVP has delivered ONE outstanding season in what? 8 seasons? That is not a great return. Yes he is a world class striker but he IS ALSO injury prone and that massively affects his game and input to the team. He has delivered not much prior to this season. I said last season I'd be happy enough to see RVP go IF he was replaced with a top top striker. I still stand by that tbh. What will RVP deliver next season? Will he go back to his injury prone ways? Now, before the less intelligent on here piss through their own mouths in outrage, I'm NOT saying get rid of him. I'm saying IF a better striker was signed then RVP going wouldn't be the end of the world as I believe this season is a bit of a blip injury wise. I'd be amazed fuckless if he puts in half a season next year!

As for Ramsey. HE HAS BEEN UTTER SHIT this season, there is no excaping that. Utter shit. BUT he is a good player with an intelligent style of play. He needs a good preseason, a better DM than Song to play alongside and he also REALLY needs to give up the tricks and flicks and pointless backheels. I think he could come good. But the jury is still out tbh.

[arseofacrow]

Yep, sort of what I don't get either DB10 - I think it's possible to say that Ramsey's been a bit shit without writing him off. he needs to improve things himself, and the team as a whole, and then we might see a consistently top level player. He's got the raw talent, just stop fucking around...and stop practising shooting in training with rosicky!