Anelka - Quenelle gesture

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

You cant tell me that the Nasri and his buddy are posing for a racist offensive picture , i think for most it is probably a fad and it has its effect if it has wound you up.
You know how it is in this country , had Anelka spoken some crap he would have got away with it because of all the freedom of speech crap that certain people have got away with for years .
I remember a posting re the anniversary of 9/11 and receiving a threatening personal message from someone who is still on this site from Northern Ireland telling me in no uncertain terms to F off as he was pro terrorist.

So thanks but no thanks

Who is this pro terrorist and why is he not banned for a pm of that effect

[augie]

God I must live in a naive innocent little world cos I never heard of any of this stuff before last night

In todays world if you give a man a load of money then it gives him an inflated opinion of his own importance and gives them a feeling of being untouchable and above the normal laws of decency that the rest of us have to live by What happened to the days when sports people were just that.......sports people and nothing else ? Politics, religion, race/skin colour etc have absolutely no place in any sport and regardless of whether there was any intent to offend or not, I still think that anelka has to be severely punished or else this type of thing will crop up again and again

I remember back in 98 I had real high hopes for young anelka but his career has taken so many stupid turns that now I wish he would just fcuk off and retire

[REB]

You cant tell me that the Nasri and his buddy are posing for a racist offensive picture , i think for most it is probably a fad and it has its effect if it has wound you up.
You know how it is in this country , had Anelka spoken some crap he would have got away with it because of all the freedom of speech crap that certain people have got away with for years .
I remember a posting re the anniversary of 9/11 and receiving a threatening personal message from someone who is still on this site from Northern Ireland telling me in no uncertain terms to F off as he was pro terrorist.

So thanks but no thanks

Who is this pro terrorist and why is he not banned for a pm of that effect

all killing in the name of any god is wrong,and agree with augie that sport and polictics should never mix,but also remember that certain peoples during the centuries have had all there lands and freedoms took away so in some minds one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.and before I get jumped upon for been pro this or that I am not and what anelka done was stupid and he should be banned.

[officepest]

After taking the time to read about Dieudonne he comes across as a thoroughly disagreeable individual and Anelka should know better than to publicly associate with him.

Some of the shit that comes out of Dieudonne's mouth would make Nick Griffin pause for thought.

[Simon]

Good article on Anelka's mate here:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/nick ... antisemite

Pretty clear what significance this parade of idiots attach to the quenelle:
http://youtu.be/LxlQK0g2kSk

[GranadaJoe]

Why wouldn't Nasri be racist? I don't know if he is or not, but you don't have to be English to be racist.

I used to run a business in Staples Corner and would regularly hear Indian and Pakistani, and West Indians and Africans (not to mention the odd bit of English/Irish banter) use insults that would make Nick Griffin blush.

Even people who have suffered terrible discrimination can still be racist, sexist and homophobic etc.

[LizLeGooner]

From what I'm reading, It was made up/made popular by that dodgy comedian.
The FA can't do anything without a clear definition. This will probably drag on for weeks.

[father_ted]

I had never heard of that comedian before but he seems such a *word censored* that they named him twice

[Rugby Gooner]

If Anelkas gesture does turn out to be a racist/hate gesture,then he desrves a lengthy ban.
But English football has allowed this "player gesture culture" to evolve.Before every game we are subjected to players crossing themselves,raising their hands in religious gestures etc,(Hernandez even kneels in the centre circle praying before kick off!).I have even seen players "bless" the ball before free kicks!
Political gestures have no place in football,but in my opinion neither do religious ones.If players want to do any of that,confine it to the changing rooms,or provide them with a space to use.
I for one do not wish to be subjected to their religious,(or political),posturing,and would like it to be banned.

[Monkeymaw]

If Anelkas gesture does turn out to be a racist/hate gesture,then he desrves a lengthy ban.
But English football has allowed this "player gesture culture" to evolve.Before every game we are subjected to players crossing themselves,raising their hands in religious gestures etc,(Hernandez even kneels in the centre circle praying before kick off!).I have even seen players "bless" the ball before free kicks!
Political gestures have no place in football,but in my opinion neither do religious ones.If players want to do any of that,confine it to the changing rooms,or provide them with a space to use.
I for one do not wish to be subjected to their religious,(or political),posturing,and would like it to be banned.

Was thinking this yesterday. Does my noodle in seeing it.

[armchair]

If Anelkas gesture does turn out to be a racist/hate gesture,then he desrves a lengthy ban.
But English football has allowed this "player gesture culture" to evolve.Before every game we are subjected to players crossing themselves,raising their hands in religious gestures etc,(Hernandez even kneels in the centre circle praying before kick off!).I have even seen players "bless" the ball before free kicks!
Political gestures have no place in football,but in my opinion neither do religious ones.If players want to do any of that,confine it to the changing rooms,or provide them with a space to use.
I for one do not wish to be subjected to their religious,(or political),posturing,and would like it to be banned.

Agree 100%.
That Hernandez kneel down thing is nuts. Can he not do it before kick-off, privately? Lots of players have a quiet prayer, moment of reflection or syche themselves up before a game. What he does is just attention-seeking imo.
He also does that pointy-up-to-the-sky and look-up-to-the-heavens thing when he scores. Fuck sake he even does it when he comes on as sub too. But they're all at it now. All just copying Messi- the wankers.

I have no probs with placers celebrating a goal, but ffs get your own celebration. Dont just copy Messi.

This one might not go down too well with some but I am also totally against the minutes silence thing before a game too.
If you want to pay your respects, or quietly remember someone then there are plenty of places better suited to it than at a football match. Go to a place of worship. A chapel, church, mosque, synagogue and say a quiet prayer. In your own house. Anywhere. Be quiet for a minute. Knock yourself out. Do whatever.
But when Im paying through the nose to watch football I dont want to be told to be quiet and reflect on the life of someone I barely knew or possibly didnt particularly like. I go to games to be noisy. Sing, shout and enjoy myself. If I feel the need to quietly reflect for a minute Ill do it on my own time. Thanks

Having said that I have alwasy "respected" the minutes silence cause youd look a right *word censored* if you didnt but still feel there are better places to do it.

*Tin hat firmly in place*

[wibble]

If Anelkas gesture does turn out to be a racist/hate gesture,then he desrves a lengthy ban.
But English football has allowed this "player gesture culture" to evolve.Before every game we are subjected to players crossing themselves,raising their hands in religious gestures etc,(Hernandez even kneels in the centre circle praying before kick off!).I have even seen players "bless" the ball before free kicks!
Political gestures have no place in football,but in my opinion neither do religious ones.If players want to do any of that,confine it to the changing rooms,or provide them with a space to use.
I for one do not wish to be subjected to their religious,(or political),posturing,and would like it to be banned.

Agree 100%.
That Hernandez kneel down thing is nuts. Can he not do it before kick-off, privately? Lots of players have a quiet prayer, moment of reflection or syche themselves up before a game. What he does is just attention-seeking imo.
He also does that pointy-up-to-the-sky and look-up-to-the-heavens thing when he scores. Fuck sake he even does it when he comes on as sub too. But they're all at it now. All just copying Messi- the wankers.

I have no probs with placers celebrating a goal, but ffs get your own celebration. Dont just copy Messi.

This one might not go down too well with some but I am also totally against the minutes silence thing before a game too.
If you want to pay your respects, or quietly remember someone then there are plenty of places better suited to it than at a football match. Go to a place of worship. A chapel, church, mosque, synagogue and say a quiet prayer. In your own house. Anywhere. Be quiet for a minute. Knock yourself out. Do whatever.
But when Im paying through the nose to watch football I dont want to be told to be quiet and reflect on the life of someone I barely knew or possibly didnt particularly like. I go to games to be noisy. Sing, shout and enjoy myself. If I feel the need to quietly reflect for a minute Ill do it on my own time. Thanks

Having said that I have alwasy "respected" the minutes silence cause youd look a right *word censored* if you didnt but still feel there are better places to do it.

*Tin hat firmly in place*

I actually agree with what you say about the minutes silence. Fair enough if it's someone connected to the club but if not, why bother?

Nelson Mandela (for example) may have been a great man and people can reflect on the end of his life upon hearing the news but don't see the need for a minutes silence at a football match

[father_ted]

I have nothing against a minutes silence on occasion but I do think it's getting ridiculous now. So many matches have a minutes silence before them now and it all feels very forced and fake rather than a genuine show of support or respect for whatever the situation was.

[LDB]

If Anelkas gesture does turn out to be a racist/hate gesture,then he desrves a lengthy ban.
But English football has allowed this "player gesture culture" to evolve.Before every game we are subjected to players crossing themselves,raising their hands in religious gestures etc,(Hernandez even kneels in the centre circle praying before kick off!).I have even seen players "bless" the ball before free kicks!
Political gestures have no place in football,but in my opinion neither do religious ones.If players want to do any of that,confine it to the changing rooms,or provide them with a space to use.
I for one do not wish to be subjected to their religious,(or political),posturing,and would like it to be banned.

Agree 100%.
That Hernandez kneel down thing is nuts. Can he not do it before kick-off, privately? Lots of players have a quiet prayer, moment of reflection or syche themselves up before a game. What he does is just attention-seeking imo.
He also does that pointy-up-to-the-sky and look-up-to-the-heavens thing when he scores. Fuck sake he even does it when he comes on as sub too. But they're all at it now. All just copying Messi- the wankers.

I have no probs with placers celebrating a goal, but ffs get your own celebration. Dont just copy Messi.

This one might not go down too well with some but I am also totally against the minutes silence thing before a game too.
If you want to pay your respects, or quietly remember someone then there are plenty of places better suited to it than at a football match. Go to a place of worship. A chapel, church, mosque, synagogue and say a quiet prayer. In your own house. Anywhere. Be quiet for a minute. Knock yourself out. Do whatever.
But when Im paying through the nose to watch football I dont want to be told to be quiet and reflect on the life of someone I barely knew or possibly didnt particularly like. I go to games to be noisy. Sing, shout and enjoy myself. If I feel the need to quietly reflect for a minute Ill do it on my own time. Thanks

Having said that I have alwasy "respected" the minutes silence cause youd look a right *word censored* if you didnt but still feel there are better places to do it.

*Tin hat firmly in place*

I agree about the minutes silences. I think they are sometimes justified but only when it is something related to football and certainly not as many as we have at the moment. Every time the scousers come to town we seem to have a minutes silence for Hillsborough. And one for Nelson Mandela? Really? Although that was a minutes applause but you get my point.

[mcdowell42]

A minutes silence for the scousers seems to be some kind of national anthem for them.