Post Wenger Dictatorship: Legitimate Title Challenge?

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Re: Post Wenger Dictatorship: Legitimate Title Challenge?

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if wenger leaves now we can win it in 2 seasons - as is said before - 2 DM's, a partner for Kos, and we are golden.

as for GK, i think Martinez and or Ospina are enough.

this is the daily weekly frustration - we are one heartbeat away from a great side, given the talent and resources we have.

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clockender1 wrote:if wenger leaves now we can win it in 2 seasons - as is said before - 2 DM's, a partner for Kos, and we are golden.

as for GK, i think Martinez and or Ospina are enough.

this is the daily weekly frustration - we are one heartbeat away from a great side, given the talent and resources we have.


I agree with the "maybe in two years" bit, but I dont agree that we are still a heartbeat away from a great side. Right now I think that we will face a lot of upheaval to take this team where we want to be - yes a couple of quality buys will be a huge addition, but the new manager would surely have to impliment a new philosophy/system onto these players and that wont happen overnight. I think that we need to be realistic about our expectations for any new manager or else we would be forced into a moyes situation where the akb's will be clamouring for his removal because we might not be in the top 4 at xmas or are not bullying the shit teams (whilst only winning with late goals mind :roll: )

Btw I'm not sure I can agree with your goalkeeping analysis - ospina might well turn out to be good enough but that has yet to be seen, and a quality keeper is worth a lot of points so good wont cut it if we want to be league winners again

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Trying to be objective about things, if i were a top class manager taking over from Wenger i'm not actually sure how many of the first team i'd consider good enough, there are quite a few players if coached and positioned correctly i think would be worth keeping but beyond Sanchez and maybe Santi and Ozil when they're at their best how many others would you consider irreplaceable on current form?

I think the new manager whenever he comes really has his job cut out for him reforming a winning team both physically and mentally, i'm with those of the opinion it will take at least 2 years to really sort out the club, not just the team, and as SteveO said somewhere whilst the Wig wearing :censored: is in charge it's not just the manager that is the problem.

Can you imagine the job interview with an ambitious manager:

New Manager: 'I'd love to manage the club, i look forward to taking the club to PL, CL titles'
The Board: 'Can you guarantee us 4th place and champions league football?'
New Manager: 'Well yes, but i want to take us further'
The Board: 'Can you guarantee us 4th place, if so the jobs yours, we're not interested in that other stuff it isn't important!!'
New Manager: 'Oh right?!? Can i think about it then?'

Ok so i'm cynical but it is how i feel things are at the club currently :banghead:

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clockender1 wrote:if wenger leaves now we can win it in 2 seasons - as is said before - 2 DM's, a partner for Kos, and we are golden.

as for GK, i think Martinez and or Ospina are enough.

this is the daily weekly frustration - we are one heartbeat away from a great side, given the talent and resources we have.

And have had the same problem for 5/6 seasons that we were always 2 or 3 decent players in key positions short of being genuine title contenders, but it was a case if 1 step forward, 2 back as players left and were not properly replaced, instead we got make do's, cheap "project" signings that were never going to make it.

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augie wrote:
clockender1 wrote:if wenger leaves now we can win it in 2 seasons - as is said before - 2 DM's, a partner for Kos, and we are golden.

as for GK, i think Martinez and or Ospina are enough.

this is the daily weekly frustration - we are one heartbeat away from a great side, given the talent and resources we have.


I agree with the "maybe in two years" bit, but I dont agree that we are still a heartbeat away from a great side.
you realise i meant wonga's heart beat right ?

i think any capable manager is not going to introduce a new system or philosopy nor is it going to take time. all a new manager needs to do is tell them their role, where to run etc - like they've probably been directed to do their entire career until they got to the corporate bowl....

one decent pre season should have them right at it imho, football is not difficlut or complicated, otherwise people like dennis wise wouldn't be able to do it...

pees.

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Of course we're capable. We have a strong midfield, only 1 top striker away from a quality attacking force, and we have 1 good CB and I think RB is covered just fine, LB could maybe use someone a little better than Gibbs but its not a huge concern.

So we need 1 or 2 CBs, a top quality CDM, and a quality striker. That's not that far off especially when you're a champions league team with a lot of money in the bank (so they say).

We just need a manager that's not completely clueless. Simeone has done it with a worse, if not comparable, squad of players. There just needs to be accountability, tactics, and discipline coming from the manager, combined with the 3 missing pieces and we could for sure win the league.

I would also hope a new manager would play a formation that fits the players we have instead of trying to fit round pegs into square holes like Mr 30 Years tries to do.

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We ve been 3 or 4 players away for years. Hopefully the new bloke will be switched on enough to go this is what i need this is who i need, get them and we will be champions.

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This team isn't anywhere good enough to challenge under a new manager.

He'll have his work cut out getting rid of these overpaid average fuckers and replacing them with gritty players in whom a winning mentality can be entrenched.

Whilst the transition is in effect, expect a string of poor results, which will have the AKBs baying for blood and pundits reminding us that we were told to be careful what we wish for.

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I can't see us ever challenging for the title with the clogger cart horses Giroud and Welbeck as our two strikers. Definitely need to get a top class striker who is at least as good as Adebayor was for us in 2007/08. A strike force of say Cavani and the aforementioned donkeys as backup would be good enough for the league IMO.

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Unless something drastic happens quickly, I can genuinely see us going 20/25 years without a title in the way that Liverpool have.

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arseofacrow wrote:
markyp wrote:if he fucked off now we could win it next season such is the strength of our squad,this is what makes everything so unbearable knowing we have the men to do it but they aren't being properly deployed,the best squad in years is being cruelly and scandalously wasted :shock:
The best squad in years? Doesn't make any sense considering our deficiencies.
anybody watch the city game?? just like said 8)

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