Cech's a Gooner

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Think overall he's had a good season but agree that he's being beaten by some average shots at his near post, maybe lumbago setting in :|

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Think overall he's had a good season but agree that he's being beaten by some average shots at his near post, maybe lumbago setting in :|
In fairness he probably did win us those fabled 15 points with great displays in games throughout the season........only problem is he's pissed away 15 points with the clangers he's dropped.

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rodders999 wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Think overall he's had a good season but agree that he's being beaten by some average shots at his near post, maybe lumbago setting in :|
In fairness he probably did win us those fabled 15 points with great displays in games throughout the season........only problem is he's pissed away 15 points with the clangers he's dropped.
At least he is keeping up the tradition then that Arsenal keepers have been doing for the past 10 years :|

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He is what he is....a world class keeper nearing the end of his career.
He's dropped a few clangers...all keepers do. Ideally next season will be his last and we look to get a new one in then...but being Arsenal he'll probably be our number1 for the next decade.
I for one feel safer with him between the sticks then I have for a long long time.
He may not be ideal but he is way down the list of problems at the club.

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For sure his best days have passed but still a marked improvement compared to the previous 'world class' GK's in Almunia,Flappy and Chain smoker Chesney.He has conceded a few he should of stopped but barring DeGea has been as solid as most other GK's in the league.Pretty much all seem prone to the odd error or two Forster and Schmeichel have been the next best in the league this season for me.

We have other positions in need of more urgent improvement!

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We're going to need a new keeper as i'd be surprised if Ospina sits on the bench for another season.

Although, as highlighted by Niall Quinn the amount of water in that penalty box needs to be investigated as it didn't rain in Manchester (for a change).

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DB10GOONER wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:Fuck off back to Chelsea - absolutely fucking dog shite yet again

Cost us more points than he's won, let alone this mythical 10 point difference he was going to make
Don't agree by a long shot. He's had more good games than bad, and on a good few occasions when the Big German Vagina, BrainFart Kos and Kick It Wildly Gab have fucked things up royally in front of him, he has saved the day. He's not the best keeper in the PL anymore but he's miles and miles better than Chesney, Ospina, Almunia, Flappy, Manone etc etc.

But then, should we be looking for better? You bet. Same as with Giroud, Ramsey, Walcott, BGV, Gab, Welbeck - all average or shite and all should be replaced.
Of course he's miles better than those goons......but that's like saying Giroud is miles better then Park, Chamakh and Bendy, or that Gabriel is miles better than Cygan or Stepanovs.

The fact is Man United, Man City, Spurs, even Leicester, and Chavski have all got better keepers than us and they are supposedly our PL rivals. Only Liverpool have got a more shit keeper and pound to a pinch of shit Klopp won't stick with him any longer than he has to

I'm not sad enough to tot up points he's supposedly won or lost but he hasn't made anywhere near the exaggerated difference that people think he has (or would like him to have). He fucked up in the first game, was shit at home to Palace, and shit again on Sunday. There have been others too but those 3 spring to mind

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Just an average season. The fact that nobody has actually got angry about it tells us just how accustomed to shit keepers we have become. He's made a couple of decent saves but always looked distinctly average, getting beaten by shots which good keepers save. He's past it and that's the only reason he joined us.

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SteveO 35 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:Fuck off back to Chelsea - absolutely fucking dog shite yet again

Cost us more points than he's won, let alone this mythical 10 point difference he was going to make
Don't agree by a long shot. He's had more good games than bad, and on a good few occasions when the Big German Vagina, BrainFart Kos and Kick It Wildly Gab have fucked things up royally in front of him, he has saved the day. He's not the best keeper in the PL anymore but he's miles and miles better than Chesney, Ospina, Almunia, Flappy, Manone etc etc.

But then, should we be looking for better? You bet. Same as with Giroud, Ramsey, Walcott, BGV, Gab, Welbeck - all average or shite and all should be replaced.
Of course he's miles better than those goons......but that's like saying Giroud is miles better then Park, Chamakh and Bendy, or that Gabriel is miles better than Cygan or Stepanovs.

The fact is Man United, Man City, Spurs, even Leicester, and Chavski have all got better keepers than us and they are supposedly our PL rivals. Only Liverpool have got a more shit keeper and pound to a pinch of shit Klopp won't stick with him any longer than he has to

I'm not sad enough to tot up points he's supposedly won or lost but he hasn't made anywhere near the exaggerated difference that people think he has (or would like him to have). He fucked up in the first game, was shit at home to Palace, and shit again on Sunday. There have been others too but those 3 spring to mind



That's my opinion too - yes I do feel a bit more confidence with him in the team, but the reality is that he hasnt been the great improvement that we thought he would be. Our goalkeeping situation has been so bad in recent years that people are now putting cech up on a level that frankly his performances do not merit

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Cech has been directly responsible for 5 points being dropped (West Ham and Palace home). I am pretty sure he has also been responsible for us picking up a lot more than 5 points.

In the champions league vs Bayern at home, he was immense and made save after save before Giroud scored. That was his stand out game for me. I sit literally 15 yards behind his goal and he has a stature, agility and positional sense that will make him our number 1 for a good few years to come. Seaman was top draw until his late 30s so why can't cech be the same.

If we had Chesney in goal this season, I suspect we would be outside the top 4.

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nut flush gooner wrote:Cech has been directly responsible for 5 points being dropped (West Ham and Palace home). I am pretty sure he has also been responsible for us picking up a lot more than 5 points.

In the champions league vs Bayern at home, he was immense and made save after save before Giroud scored. That was his stand out game for me. I sit literally 15 yards behind his goal and he has a stature, agility and positional sense that will make him our number 1 for a good few years to come. Seaman was top draw until his late 30s so why can't cech be the same.

If we had Chesney in goal this season, I suspect we would be outside the top 4.
As much as I've defended Cech on here, I agree and disagree with you! :D

I agree Chesney would have fucked us up far far more. I disagree Cech should be here for years to come though - we need to look at signing a top keeper in his mid 20's. I can't compare Cech to Seamo because whilst Seamo was top quality into his mid/late 30's it is obvious to me Cech is coming towards the end of his career and is now well past his best. You can see how he now really struggles to get down to those daisy cutters. But still, given who else we have on the books, he's the best option at the moment.

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And also, good keepers needs always good defence. Keeper and defence line should always have 100% confidence to each others and I don't think they have that at Arsenal right now.

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Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:And also, good keepers needs always good defence. Keeper and defence line should always have 100% confidence to each others and I don't think they have that at Arsenal right now.
Spot on, it's all very well being a good GK if your defence are pants you are going to be put under more pressure. Could you honestly look at De Gea and Cortois this season, and say they are directly responsible for their fuck ups or was it their defences let them down time and time again. Both are 20 something and considered world class.

Cortois was a world beater only 2 seasons ago.

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Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:And also, good keepers needs always good defence. Keeper and defence line should always have 100% confidence to each others and I don't think they have that at Arsenal right now.
Excellent point...don't think Cech trust Gabriel and Koscielny but seems more secure when BFG plays. If we're going to rely on Cech then Wenger should make a cheeky bid for Cahill. I'd like to see Chambers given a chance alongside Cahill. Kos isn't gonna get much better than he currently is, and Gabriel seriously panics too much, and is easily bullied into making mistakes.
If Cech isn't gonna be our no.1 make a double swoop for Forster and van Dyke.

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Nos89 wrote:
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:And also, good keepers needs always good defence. Keeper and defence line should always have 100% confidence to each others and I don't think they have that at Arsenal right now.
Excellent point...don't think Cech trust Gabriel and Koscielny but seems more secure when BFG plays. If we're going to rely on Cech then Wenger should make a cheeky bid for Cahill. I'd like to see Chambers given a chance alongside Cahill. Kos isn't gonna get much better than he currently is, and Gabriel seriously panics too much, and is easily bullied into making mistakes.
If Cech isn't gonna be our no.1 make a double swoop for Forster and van Dyke.
Doesn't Gabriel remind you of Kos a few seasons back who had a few klangers in him a season? Personally for me BFG's lack of pace gets exposed time and time again in the prem. I suspect Chambers will get exposed unless he can tackle in the same way as an Adams or Bould. I suspect he can't.

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