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[QuartzGooner]

Ten injuries: Ospina, Bellerin, Koscielny, Arteta, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott, Welbeck.

How many of them are first 11 players quartz ? Somebody put up last night that we were missing 8 players, but most of them are no more than back up players anyway Bayern started last night without vidal, robben and ribery and they are all first choice for them

All those injuries matter because if the players are fit, they can be used in games where we can rest other players.

Out of the ten injuries, I would make Bellerin, Koscielny and Walcott (either up front or on the right instead of Campbell) starters.

It is not so much how many would start, but that the three I make as starters being key players.

Bellerin adds width, pace and forward impetus. His deputy Debuchy was very good when he arrived at the club but has been out of sorts for a while.

Koscielny is arguably our best centre back, and his partnership with Gabriel is a much stronger partnership than either of them with Mertesacker.

Walcott I know is not your favourite but he adds width, and pace, and he gets goals.
Giroud is now back in form, but even if Walcott is not up front I would play him wide right over Campbell for sure.

Welbeck, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Wilshere would be regulars on the bench.

[augie]

Kos and bellerin are vital mainly because we are dodgy defensively when we have everyone available, and we look utterly hapless when we have to start using back-ups
I have always been a big BFG fan but I have written on several occasions recently that he has been very poor and his best days are gone - what I don't understand is how much of a free pass Gabriel seems to be getting from the fans. Last night he was absolute dogshite on both lewandowski's and robben's goals - his absolute lack of awareness of robben was sunday league defending Maybe the dislike/hatred of mertesacker is distracting fans from analysing Gabriel's performances, but personally I don't think that either are the answer

Re wally, my previous comment had nothing to do with my feelings towards him - my point was that, if everybody was fit, there would be real doubts as to whether he would be in the starting team. This season he is being rotated in the centre forwards position with giroud (neither are good enough to stake the claim to be undoubted first choice), and he has scarcely been used on the wing. Your liking of the guy is suggesting that even if giroud won the strikers role then wally would be on the right wing, but the reality is that he wasn't getting picked there anyway

[QuartzGooner]

Augie

I think Gabriel gets the nod over Mertesacker.

I have not written that Gabriel is excellent or anything, I want to see more of him before writing much about him.
But Mertesacker has been in poor form since the World Cup.
I have no hatred of him.
I just think he should move on in the summer.

Walcott was not picked much wide right only because he was used up front.
If Giroud plays up front, the first choice attacking midfield line up behind him are
Sanchez - Ozil - Walcott.

[xisstential]

Ospina, Bellerin, Kos, Ramsey, Ox, Arteta, Wilshere, Welbeck and Walcott all fucking crocked.

Arsene Wenger he's proving us wrong

Belerin & Kos definites, will be missed. Walcott & Ox, so, so.... mostly subs anyway.

Wilshire cannot possibly be missed as he is our new Diaby, Arteta..who cares, Wellbek.. who cares, Ramsey....crap this entire season so far... So basically we are missing 2 players.

[rodders999]

Ospina, Bellerin, Kos, Ramsey, Ox, Arteta, Wilshere, Welbeck and Walcott all fuking crocked.

Arsene Wenger he's proving us wrong

Belerin & Kos definites, will be missed. Walcott & Ox, so, so.... mostly subs anyway.

Wilshire cannot possibly be missed as he is our new Diaby, Arteta..who cares, Wellbek.. who cares, Ramsey....crap this entire season so far... So basically we are missing 2 players.

This was our bench last night -

Macey
Flamini
Koscielny
Iwobi
Chambers
Reine
Adelaide
Gibbs

Kos was injured and only named to make up the numbers so couldn't have come on anyway. That's absolute gash, made all the more infuriating because Le Gimp decided in the last window that there wasn't a single outfield player in the world that could improve the squad.

For the majority of the season our subs bench has been a joke and because of the crocked players I mentioned above, the likes of Ozil, Santi, Sanchez and Coq (our most important players) have to be ridden into the ground playing 90 mins every week as there is no alternative.

You're not seeing the bigger picture by dismissing the players who are injured as not being part of our best 11, it's the knock on effect of them being injured on our best 11 that causes the problem. The fact that we can't rotate will see it all come crashing and burning down around Wenger's ears once again this season, it's just a matter of when.

[augie]

Ospina, Bellerin, Kos, Ramsey, Ox, Arteta, Wilshere, Welbeck and Walcott all fuking crocked.

Arsene Wenger he's proving us wrong

Belerin & Kos definites, will be missed. Walcott & Ox, so, so.... mostly subs anyway.

Wilshire cannot possibly be missed as he is our new Diaby, Arteta..who cares, Wellbek.. who cares, Ramsey....crap this entire season so far... So basically we are missing 2 players.

This was our bench last night -

Macey
Flamini
Koscielny
Iwobi
Chambers
Reine
Adelaide
Gibbs

Kos was injured and only named to make up the numbers so couldn't have come on anyway. That's absolute gash, made all the more infuriating because Le Gimp decided in the last window that there wasn't a single outfield player in the world that could improve the squad.

For the majority of the season our subs bench has been a joke and because of the crocked players I mentioned above, the likes of Ozil, Santi, Sanchez and Coq (our most important players) have to be ridden into the ground playing 90 mins every week as there is no alternative.

You're not seeing the bigger picture by dismissing the players who are injured as not being part of our best 11, it's the knock on effect of them being injured on our best 11 that causes the problem. The fact that we can't rotate will see it all come crashing and burning down around Wenger's ears once again this season, it's just a matter of when.

Rodders, fatigue of the players you mentioned (ozil, sanchez etc.) was a factor maybe but it certainly wasn't the main reason for last nights trouncing - we are a team/squad that haven't had a proper backbone in almost 10 years and in times where our lack of quality is evident, organisation and guts can make a significant difference. These players have no guts and no character - when the pressure is on us, we lie down like a cheap whore and take it up the fcuking arse Listening to so many people cite injuries is embarrassing tbh - we had 2 non internationals out there last night so we weren't playing no bunch of rookies. Even our best 11 would have lost by at least 3 last night cos they lack the organisation and leadership to steady the team when we under pressure. We would have lost last night because the senile old c.unt doesn't know how to set up a team, is unable to motivate a team, and is certainly unable to alternate tactics during a match

[augie]

Sorry I for got to mention that our best 11 isn't good enough anyway so pointing out missing players is a moot point when we simply don't have enough quality anyway

[rodders999]

Sorry I for got to mention that our best 11 isn't good enough anyway so pointing out missing players is a moot point when we simply don't have enough quality anyway

I agree with you 100% Augie, I'm not putting last night's defeat down to injuries one bit. The point I was trying to make is because of those injuries (that everyone saw coming a mile off bar Mr. 30 years) we are going to have to continue flogging the current first 11 right up until after Christmas and that between now and then more of them are going to break and it's all going to go tits up for us.

Utterly depressing but completely avoidable in a world without Mr. Knows

[DB10GOONER]

Kos and bellerin are vital mainly because we are dodgy defensively when we have everyone available, and we look utterly hapless when we have to start using back-ups
I have always been a big BFG fan but I have written on several occasions recently that he has been very poor and his best days are gone - what I don't understand is how much of a free pass Gabriel seems to be getting from the fans. Last night he was absolute dogshite on both lewandowski's and robben's goals - his absolute lack of awareness of robben was sunday league defending Maybe the dislike/hatred of mertesacker is distracting fans from analysing Gabriel's performances, but personally I don't think that either are the answer

Re wally, my previous comment had nothing to do with my feelings towards him - my point was that, if everybody was fit, there would be real doubts as to whether he would be in the starting team. This season he is being rotated in the centre forwards position with giroud (neither are good enough to stake the claim to be undoubted first choice), and he has scarcely been used on the wing. Your liking of the guy is suggesting that even if giroud won the strikers role then wally would be on the right wing, but the reality is that he wasn't getting picked there anyway

Interesting comments about Gabriel, augie. I have to be honest and say my impression is he is not top class but he is quite good mostly and is fearless. I also think he is far better when playing with Kos beside him rather than the BGV. A couple games I've seen him giving out shite to the BGV and he did it again last night. I think the BGV is so bad now that it scares the fuck out of Gabriel to have to play beside him. Similarly Kos looks better beside Gabriel rather than beside the BGV.

Now I'd fully accept that Gabriel and Kos should both be above that, and I'm not excusing them, just offering an observation that might be relevant.

RE the BGV - I used to be a fan, but I cannot forgive cowardice on the pitch. Once or twice maybe, but he has acted the chickenshit on numerous occasions and I find that unacceptable in what is supposed to be a man's game.

[Gunner Rob]

i would say that both Mertesacker and Gabriel are good squad players but should not be starting as first choice CBs.
It should be Koscielny and someone else - an area that we failed to address in the summer.

I keep hearing how we are 2 players short of competing - I would say that we are 3 short of actually winning anything - a new CB, a new DM and a new striker. it would probably cost about £150M. The money is there but unfortunately the ambition at the club is not

[Midz]

Bayern didn't pay over the odds for most of their players. In fact they got them at pretty reasonable prices.

[Midz]

I'd add a Left Back to the list too. Monreal has improved a great deal since joining however having a backup with glass ankles isn't the best idea.

[DB10GOONER]

Bayern didn't pay over the odds for most of their players. In fact they got them at pretty reasonable prices.

100% correct.

22million for Costa. Absolute gift.

[xisstential]

i would say that both Mertesacker and Gabriel are good squad players but should not be starting as first choice CBs.
It should be Koscielny and someone else - an area that we failed to address in the summer.

I keep hearing how we are 2 players short of competing - I would say that we are 3 short of actually winning anything - a new CB, a new DM and a new striker. it would probably cost about £150M. The money is there but unfortunately the ambition at the club is not

"An area we failed to address in the summer". That could well be his epitaph. What I just love about these embarrassing defeats, and there have been far too many, is the way Wenger behaves. He adopts the position, of not one who has created the problem, but of one who has been placed in this unfortunate position where these unfair things keep happening to him, where people he has trusted have let him down.

Hapless, hopeless, unaccountable, and ridiculously overpaid ..... Mr. Arsene Wenger.

[markyp]

if we score first I think we can go on to smash them,if they score first could be a tight contest with us huffing and puffing to find and equaliser